With Hurriyat invite, Pakistan challenges India’s ‘red lines’

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In this August 14, 2015 photo, Pakistan envoy to India Abdul Basit and his wife cut a cake to celebrate the country's Independence Day in New Delhi.








Hurriyat leaders Mirwaiz Umer Farooq and Syed Ali Shah Geelani have been invited for a reception at the Pakistan High Commission during the stay of the country's NSA Sartaj Aziz in New Delhi.
In a move that could upset the talks between National Security Advisors scheduled for August 23, 2015 the Pakistan High Commission has invited leaders of the Hurriyat to meet with Pakistan NSA Sartaj Aziz during his stay in Delhi. Sources confirmed that invitations have gone to key leaders of the Hurriyat, including chairperson Mirwaiz Umer Farooq and Syed Ali Shah Geelani for a reception hosted by the High Commission.

In August 2014, India had called off scheduled talks between Foreign Secretaries in Islamabad over the Pakistan High Commissioner's meeting with Hurriyat leaders in Delhi, pointing to “new red lines” in engagement. “This is a red line we have drawn,” the MEA spokesperson had explained at the time, “We have told Pakistan — you either talk to us, or to them (Kashmiri separatists).” In an interview to The Hindu, in September 2014, Mr. Aziz had admitted that the “timing of the Hurriyat talks” could have been better. It remains to be seen whether the reaction from the government this year will be similar, given that Mr. Aziz is expected to meet the Hurriyat leaders at the reception after, and not before his scheduled talks with his Indian counterpart Ajit Doval.

However the invitation to the Hurriyat will also be seen in the context of a series of developments many inside the government sees as “provocations” from Pakistan ahead of the talks. Indian Army officials accused Pakistani troops of firing on border posts in Jammu and Poonch on Tuesday, the 10 consecutive day of ceasefire violations. In an alarming escalation of the firing, 120mm mortar shells have also reportedly been used in the firing that left six civilians dead on Independence Day last Saturday. Terrorist attacks in Gurdaspur and Udhampur last month are also being seen as an attempt to ratchet up tensions between the two countries.

The violence is accompanied by a visible raise in Pakistan’s public statements on Jammu and Kashmir over the past few months. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif came under severe criticism from opposition parties after the Ufa statement between him and Prime Minister Narendra Modi excluded the reference of Jammu and Kashmir.

In Srinagar, separatist Hurriyat leaders had also marked their annoyance with the exclusion by largely boycotting the Pakistan High Commission’s Eid Milan function in July. Since then Mr. Aziz has been on the forefront, insisting that “no dialogue with India” was possible “sans Kashmir”. Pakistan also declined to invite the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly speaker to a Commonwealth Parliamentary Union conference saying that the State was “disputed”, leading India to entirely cancel its attendance in protest. And in a marked departure from the past, Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit gave a fiery speech at the mission’s Independence Day celebrations, claiming, “No matter how much more time their legitimate struggle takes, Pakistan will never abandon Kashmiris and their cause.”

The latest invitation to the Hurriyat will be seen as a reaffirmation that Pakistan wants to include the Kashmir resolution issue in NSA talks that are at present only mandated to discuss “all forms of terrorism.” In the past, visiting dignitaries from President Pervez Musharraf to Foreign Ministers and Foreign Secretaries have always met the Hurriyat leadership when they come to Delhi. In September 2013, Mr. Aziz had also met them during his visit for a conference, a move then Indian External Affairs Minister Salman Khursheed had termed “insensitive” and “counterproductive”.

Keywords: India-Pakistan NSA talks, Hurriyat leaders invitation, Sartaj Aziz visit

NSA talks: With Hurriyat invite, Pakistan challenges India’s ‘red lines’ - The Hindu

 

[SirHatesALot]

Excellent move from Pakistan, now GOP should cancel these NSA talks and show India their true aukat.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

forget the bilateral talks.....these talks with india are purely cosmetic in nature - they mean nothing at the end of the day

cosmetic gesture, little else

 

[Bang Galore]

Excellent move from Pakistan, now GOP should cancel these NSA talks and show India their true aukat.

Nope. Should not cancel, that is exactly the aim here. Should either ignore or simply make sure none of these chaps land up in the Pakistani HC for the meeting.

forget the bilateral talks.....these talks with india are purely cosmetic in nature - they mean nothing at the end of the day

purely cosmetic in nature

True, but that is the nature of the India-Pakistani relationship, atleast for the present. There is no meeting ground on any of the important issues.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

True, but that is the nature of the India-Pakistani relationship, atleast for the present. There is no meeting ground on any of the important issues.

None that i can think of at least - except maybe anti piracy in the Arabian Sea

 

[nForce]

Very shrewed diplomatic maneuvering by Pakistan, and after a long time. It will be interesting to see India's response. Will the present govt. become a prisoner of its own words ? Or walk out of it ?

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

Excellent move from Pakistan, now GOP should cancel these NSA talks and show India their true aukat.

Lol we won't stop NSA level talks ... We will expose u

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

forget the bilateral talks.....these talks with india are purely cosmetic in nature - they mean nothing at the end of the day

purely cosmetic in nature

Yes, it's all political theater, since the Indians have no intention of compromising on any of the major issues between India and Pakistan, but we need the Indians to cancel them, as they did before, and then highlight the petty response to the world community, shrug our shoulders and tell the world we did our part and the Indian's are just displaying more of their traditional obstructionism.

Modi's big-mouth has put him in this position - these 'red lines' are not 'India's red lines', they are 'Modi's/BJP red lines'.

If India continues with the talks Modi will get criticized domestically for essentially setting red lines and making tall jingoistic claims on policy towards Pakistan that have amounted to nothing.

If India cancels the talks, Modi/BJP/India lose face internationally for petty obstructionism over issues that the Congress leadership never allowed to get in the way of dialog with Pakistan.

Pakistan wins either way.

 

[lightoftruth]

How about house arrest of all these separatists. preventive detention for public peace.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Lol we won't stop NSA level talks ... We will expose u

By doing what, having a meeting with Sartaj Aziz?

 

[Armstrong]

Yes, it's all political theater, since the Indians have no intention of compromising on any of the major issues between India and Pakistan, but we need the Indians to cancel them, as they did before, and then highlight the petty response to the world community, shrug our shoulders and tell the world we did our part and the Indian's are just displaying more of their traditional obstructionism.

Modi's big-mouth has put him in this position - these 'red lines' are not 'India's red lines', they are 'Modi's/BJP red lines'.

If India continues with the talks Modi will get criticized domestically for essentially setting red lines and making tall jingoistic claims on policy towards Pakistan that have amounted to nothing.

If India cancels the talks, Modi/BJP/India lose face internationally for petty obstructionism over issues that the Congress leadership never allowed to get in the way of dialog with Pakistan.

Pakistan wins either way.

Thats what India's policy has been since ever; frustrate the issue....don't solve it !

That much was even acknowledged by different UN commissions/representatives on trying to solve the Kashmir Issue. Hell Sir Owen Dixon's words, quoted in the Statesmen 15 Sep 1950, were prescient indeed : None of these suggestions commended themselves to the PM of India. In the end I became convinced that India's agreement would never be obtained to demilitarization in any such form or to provisions governing the period of the plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation and other forms of influence and abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite maybe imperiled.

But then again can we blame them for being smart when our own condition is akin to the problems that arise due to an absentee landlord ?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Yes, it's all political theater, since the Indians have no intention of compromising on any of the major issues between India and Pakistan, but we need the Indians to cancel them, as they did before, and then highlight the petty response to the world community, shrug our shoulders and tell the world we did our part and the Indian's are just displaying more of their traditional obstructionism.

Modi's big-mouth has put him in this position - these 'red lines' are not 'India's red lines', they are 'Modi's/BJP red lines'.

If India continues with the talks Modi will get criticized domestically for essentially setting red lines and making tall jingoistic claims on policy towards Pakistan that have amounted to nothing.

If India cancels the talks, Modi/BJP/India lose face internationally for petty obstructionism over issues that the Congress leadership never allowed to get in the way of dialog with Pakistan.

Pakistan wins either way.

I think this is what the strategists on our side calculated.....it's actually a pretty smart move. We can do the "Chanakya" as well.

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

By doing what, having a meeting with Sartaj Aziz?

You are underestimating what is about to happen during NsA level talks .

Firstly It's a Pakistan initiative to hold NSA level talks . Now Pakistan can't back track from this. Either India can as India will be seen as a stumbling block in peace between the two .

All the time what Pakistan did was to ask India for proof of its Involvement in terrorism against India . But PA cleverly escalates tension so India will call off the talks in government to government level .

That's why we see these kind of ceasefire violation by ur country . Because India already choked out water tight case against you for NsA level talks . 1) Our first proof will will be recent attack by terrorist's during which 1 terrorist was caught . What we have done ? We undertook nARCO test on Kasab 2 which is now legally valid . He exposed very detailed information about terror camps in Pakistan .

This is just 1 in total 5 terror attacks which nails ISI and PA involved.

2) How did pakistani terrorist out of jail and why did pakistani government dint protest and file a case to deny his bail ? As Lakvi proof is not only concerned about India 26/11 goes into many boundaries and govts of the world .US Israel India etc .

3) Why and how Hafiz Saeed is roaming free and multiplying his properties inside Pakistan when uN resolution are against it ? India will provide his recent aactivities and his continues involvement in terrorism.

4) India has gathered proof of another UN banned terrorist Dawwod 4 address in islamabad to Karachi . And his activities and investments in Pakistan will also produced . All his address are ISI safe houses where most of their official business of ISI PA takes place ..

5) There are around 54+ UN banned terrorist roaming freely and charting future attacks on India India and India and and Afghanistan .

These are some info leaked to media . There are lots more detailed proof and information with India which will will be shared with Pakistan NSA and other world leaders in private ... now Pakistan either have to act against terrorists in P OK or term itself as an aggressor for problem between both countries . Once you you get exposed India will move resolution for economic sanctions against terror sponsoring states . And India will get more global support if we decided to declare war in the name of Anti terrorism operation inside Pakistan occupied Kashmir !!!

That's the reason Pakistan army trying hard to call off NSA level talks ... But India knew this could happen and hence we restrain to further provoke cease fire violations. INDIA WANT CALL OFF NSA LEVEL TALKS ... It's a check mate for Pakistan endless proxy war ... This was discussed in details with Crown prince who have supported Indias move to expose Pakistan support India move at the UN resolution to inflict Sanctions on terror sponsoring countries !!!!

 

[surya kiran]

Talk talk talk. We should all talk. Then one day, we will not talk, not talk, not talk. Then we will talk talk talk. Nothing is going to come out of this.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Nope. Should not cancel, that is exactly the aim here. Should either ignore or simply make sure none of these chaps land up in the Pakistani HC for the meeting.




True, but that is the nature of the India-Pakistani relationship, atleast for the present. There is no meeting ground on any of the important issues.

I'm in support of a harder line. Let them be put into the boiler. Hurriyat respresents no one.