With eye on exports, Tejas on display in Bahrain air show

[Abingdonboy]

Will US allow export of Tejaas?

with GE-404/ 414 engines, not a chance

Well they allow the sale of the Gripen (with the F404 engine) don't they?

 

[Indischer]

That's not a mock up supposedly. That Tejas was coming back from somewhere to Bangalore airport.

I was thinking the same too. That looks too authentic on the inside.

 

[Bratva]

Well they allow the sale of the Gripen (with the F404 engine) don't they?

And it comes with the next question, Gripen has already occupied LCA market, Where LCA would be exported now?

 

[sancho]

Yes I think America won't allow. They forced you to sign CISMOA and you didn't do t, right? So how could they let you re export engines with you forcing you to do something which India would refuse flatly

Because we have different terms than potential LCA customers would have of course, just like customers of the Gripen are bound to US restrictions wrt the engine, so as long as the customer of the fighter agrees to the term and is not a country that the US would not provide with defence technology, there is as much difficulty to export LCA as there is for Gripen, or the T50.

 

[Dazzler]

Well they allow the sale of the Gripen (with the F404 engine) don't they?

Gripen is a joint venture in regard to the engine, they manufacture it under RM-12 designation in Sweden, India has no such arrangement in place. All that is known, GE is a stop gap engine.

 

[sancho]

@sancho

These must be the mock ups. But there's something very strange about them. Their wing joints look similar to actual production models. Also, the primer coating looks authentic. Why would they be built as per design specs internally if they're just mock-ups? Any ideas?

Reports stated that there will be LCA models / mock ups, not sure if the pic has anything to do with the deployment to the airshow, but as mentioned earlier, the LCA has no export potential in the Gulf area as long as we have no alternative for the Israeli parts.

 

[Abingdonboy]

And it comes with the next question, Gripen has already occupied LCA market, Where LCA would be exported now?

As if there is zero market for fighters now! There's still a hell of a lot of nations out there flying ageing/aged 3rd gen single eninged fighters. However I would say the chances of the LCA gaining any meaningful export orders are remote. Whilst one would've thought it was a shoe-in being it was intially designed to be a relatively simple interceptor for the MIG-21's replacment, it has since morhped into a multi-role fighter that is no slouch because the IAF kept moving the goal-posts. As such at $26 million for the MK1 it is simply not economical for most nations and what will succed the MK1- the MK2, even less so.

 

[sancho]

Gripen is a joint venture in regard to the engine, they manufacture it under RM-12 designation in Sweden, India has no such arrangement in place. All that is known, GE is a stop gap engine.

Gripen NG doesn't have the RM12 anymore and uses the same GE 414G that LCA MK2 will have as well and they exported it to Switzerland and Brazil.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Should've shown some of the heli products. LCH prob to busy, but maybe a mock up.

 

[Indischer]

As if there is zero market for fighters now! There's still a hell of a lot of nations out there flying ageing/aged 3rd gen single eninged fighters. However I would say the chances of the LCA gaining any meaningful export orders are remote. Whilst one would've thought it was a shoe-in being it was intially designed to be a relatively simple interceptor for the MIG-21's replacment, it has since morhped into a multi-role fighter that is no slouch because the IAF kept moving the goal-posts. As such at $26 million for the MK1 it is simply not economical for most nations and what will succed the MK1- the MK2, even less so.

I feel many African Nations would go for the LCA if marketed well. But with it delayed so badly, our own Aircraft will take up all the order-books for the next decade.

 

[sancho]

@Indischer

Check this video, especially the slide at minute 11:30 to see the differences to the EMB Erieye:

 

[Dazzler]

@sancho

Gripen NG is not in service yet dont you know? GE engine as per al Indian sources is a stop gap measure, if this changes, HAL will ride on a thin rope when it comes to export orders, Yanks will not allow it. India is not Sweden you know

 

[ejaz007]

If the price tag of 26million dollars is true than yes Tejas has alot of export potential

26 million USD is the price of the plane for IAF. For rest of the world it shall be higher than 26 million.

 

[Indischer]

@Indischer

Check this video, especially the slide at minute 11:30 to see the differences to the EMB Erieye:

Thanks. Very informative vid.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

@sancho

Gripen NG is not in service yet dont you know? GE engine as per al Indian sources is a stop gap measure, if this changes, HAL will ride on a thin rope when it comes to export orders, Yanks will not allow it. India is not Sweden you know

You're right. India isnt Sweden. US is making MUCH more in the Indian market, then the Swedish one.