With eye on exports, Tejas on display in Bahrain air show

[airmarshal]

Tejas on display. Is it a full mock up, a real airplane on the tarmac or a scaled down model?

Some Indian members are comparing it to Jf-17 here. Although its nonsensical to compare to JF-17, as its not a comparison thread, but not only has JF-17 been in a static display as the real airplane, it has also flown in air shows. So Jf-17 is a full production product, which Tejas isn't.

 

[Lil Mathew]

N-LCA can only operate from STOBAR carriers and apart from India, only Russia and China will use such carriers. All the other nations that you meantioned either requier vertical landing capability, which only Harriers or F35Bs have, or catapult take off capabilities, like the F35C, Rafale M, or F18SH.

All CATOBAR fighters are not STOBAR capable as they want good lift chara, light wt., high twr etc.. But reverse is possible na?? (eg:Rafel is both capable..)
Then why Lca can't be used in CATOBAR carriers with slight modification (that will increase mtow also)??

 

[acid rain]

Tejas on display. Is it a full mock up, a real airplane on the tarmac or a scaled down model?

Some Indian members are comparing it to Jf-17 here. Although its nonsensical to compare to JF-17, as its not a comparison thread, but not only has JF-17 been in a static display as the real airplane, it has also flown in air shows. So Jf-17 is a full production product, which Tejas isn't.

Some Pakistani member brought up jf17.
OT: Its just a start, we export a lot of stuff...time we take defense exports seriously too...we have a huge manpower, we have the tools, we have the necessary institutions in place.

 

[Basel]

When we put the usual indo pak bias aside, it should be clear that JF 17 has a market mainly in countries that can't afford high capable fighters, or might have import limitations for western techs and weapons for example. Any country that can afford it, will prefer J10 (which actually is the main opponent of JF17 thanks to the same Chinese weapons and systems) and Gripen E/F for sure. The difference for export customers that Tejas offers, is that it will be the most cost-effective 4th gen fighter developed and build according to western standards and still can offer Russian standard weapons as alternatives. So in a time where the F16 is not around anymore and only the Gripen E/F will be an affordable choice, the Tejas can be a good alternative for export customers, but first it will need to be build for Indian forces and there the JF 17 will have an advantage, since it can be built in Pakistan and China, which increases production.

Some sensible post.

Sale of LCA & JF-17 will not just depend on their capabilities, it will also be dependent on International Affairs, what is common in both planes is that they have to fulfill number game in their respective air forces. So export is some distance away until nations decide to put separate production line for export only.

 

[sancho]

All CATOBAR fighters are not STOBAR capable as they want good lift chara, light wt., high twr etc.. But reverse is possible na?? (eg:Rafel is both capable..)
Then why Lca can't be used in CATOBAR carriers with slight modification (that will increase mtow also)??

No it's not, fighters developed for catapult take offs must have far more gear and airframe strengthenings to withstand the forces, that's why the EF consortium or the Russian fighters developed for air forces can be navalised for arrested landings, but would require too much changes to be useful for CATOBAR carriers. The Gripen is an exception, since it was developed with airframe and gear strenghtening form the start as a requirement for the Swedish airforce and Saab believes they can navalise it now even for CATOBAR carriers, most likely for the Brazilian navy. There is no market for carrier fighters, unless you have a VTOL fighter available, that could compete the F35B for many LHD carriers, but that is not the case and N-LCA MK2 is just a waste of money.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Not on par with modern fighters, that are designed for lower RCS, or at least are treated with RAM or special coatings. And the performance match is based on comparisons to the older F16s, not to modern delta canards for example and when you consider the limitations PAFs F16s have in terms of avionics and EW sensors, it is not surprising that PAF pilots will love the JF 17. But compared to other newly developed fighters, like the J10 for exapmple, or the Gripen C/D for example it won't.
And feel free to offer some real arguments where you see LCA fells short and we can talk about it, but I won't join silly blame games.

What do u know abt F-16s?
Do u know F-16s r regarded as best dog fighters of all times? Even F-22's designs r based on hers in very initial basis. Ask Gambit.

and in F-16 family the F-16A/B r most maneuverable and this JFT was tested against that in 2006-2007 by PAF........We have discussed that to the death here and yr shamelessly posting yr denial on he very forum again and again.

Do some research and dig out the JFT threads to know in detail abt them.

 

[BDforever]

At price of $26 million for Tejas mk 1 does not have export potential because of its rival JF-17 mk 2 at same price level or even further Russian Mig 35 at around $30 million which is more superior than those. The trainer version of tejas may have export potential but then again there are some impressive trainers available like yak 130, M-346 Master, L-15 etc.

 

[kingdurgaking]

What do u know abt F-16s?
Do u know F-16s r regarded as best dog fighters of all times? Even F-22's designs r based on hers in very initial basis. Ask Gambit.

and in F-16 family the F-16A/B r most maneuverable and this JFT was tested against that in 2006-2007 by PAF........We have discussed that to the death here and yr shamelessly posting yr denial on he very forum again and again.

Do some research and dig out the JFT threads to know in detail abt them.

You are only pointing shamelessly .. he said Modern delta canards like MKI , NG , EFT or Rafale have better performance than F-16.. which is proved in Red-Flag... .. and he told you clearly in avionics compared to Modern F-16 which is not still tested with JF-17

 

[Water Car Engineer]

 

[Indischer]

@sancho @Water Car Engineer ^^ The aircraft seems bristling with sensors...is this indicative of greater capabilities compared to the Erieye or is it just that India failed to miniaturize the whole system and hence the platform had to be modified substantially?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

@sancho @Water Car Engineer ^^ The aircraft seems bristling with sensors...is this indicative of greater capabilities compared to the Erieye or is it just that India failed to miniaturize the whole system and hence the platform had to be modified substantially?

Im not sure, I havent been keeping track of this program really, nor have I really compared it to others in it's class. But yeah, it looks packed.

They even put some sensors in the back, maybe a part of it's defense suit.

 

[Indischer]

Im not sure, I havent been keeping track of this program really, nor have I really compared it to others in it's class. But yeah, it looks packed.

They even put some sensors in the back, maybe a part of it's defense suit.

And look at the number of antennae on it! I'd be very disappointed if it's performance turned out to be only on par with the Erieye.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

And look at the number of antennae on it! I'd be very disappointed if it's performance turned out to be only on par with the Erieye.

There's something awesome about it's deformed look.

 

[Indischer]

There's something awesome about it's deformed look.

Hell Yeah!!

 

[Last Samuri]