With eye on exports, Tejas on display in Bahrain air show

[fockewulf190]

We won't be achieving anything if HAL continues its usual performance in terms of production.

Do you know how much a HAL officer earns? Do you know how much unionize the system is?? A middle lvl management in HAL gets paid the entry lvl of a commission officer and with lesser benefits then a NCO. The appraisals are peanuts at best. If HAL start proper appraisals and the system is effectively delinked from the union system, HAL can achieve much more than what it can do now.
Thanks

 

[akshay gehlot]

does any one else feel that N-LCA has a lot more export potential because its a very cheap 4+ gen figuter suitable for medium size navies just starting to operate carriers. like brazil . thailand italy and may be australia japan or korea in future . its a hell lot less expensive than Rafale M or F-35 B/C.

Or is it just me

 

[sancho]

does any one else feel that N-LCA has a lot more export potential because its a very cheap 4+ gen figuter suitable for medium size navies just starting to operate carriers. like brazil . thailand italy and may be australia japan or korea in future . its a hell lot less expensive than Rafale M or F-35 B/C.

Or is it just me

N-LCA can only operate from STOBAR carriers and apart from India, only Russia and China will use such carriers. All the other nations that you meantioned either requier vertical landing capability, which only Harriers or F35Bs have, or catapult take off capabilities, like the F35C, Rafale M, or F18SH.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

i dont think anybody will buy this from middle east and indians should stop copying pakistan and JFT.

Low cost affordable with high performance is the tag of PAF for JFT and frankly JFT is more affordable then Teja and is more superior in performance.

So this theory is not going to work.

 

[rockstarIN]

Which is the right way to do it, the AWACS deployment is just a waste!



Which is the right way to do it, the AWACS deployment is just a waste!


That depends on what market they are aiming on. The Gulf region for example is basically a no go for LCA, as long as we advertise it with Israeli weapons and systems, which makes this PR show useless too. For countries that can use Israeli systems, or that already has a base of Russian techs (Mig 21 customers), LCA could be an interesting alternative.
So instead of wasting time and money showing off their underperformance, DRDO should increase work on indigenous MMR, Kaveri engine, Astra BVR missiles, Sudarshan LGB and Helina ATGM, which will make LCA more interesting and much cheaper for potential export customers.

Btw, forget about Brahmos mini and most likely also Kh59, not going to happen.

Why no Kh 59?

IF we want to sell, we need the standard A2G weapons for Anti ship, LGBs & Radiation missiles.

 

[monitor]

JF-17's rival arrived in market. lets see who wins the first export order .

 

[sancho]

Why no Kh 59?

IF we want to sell, we need the standard A2G weapons for Anti ship, LGBs & Radiation missiles.

Kh 59 depends on size limitations and will be not useful for the wingstations anyway.
The standard weapons for light class MRCA are a full set of AAMs and LGBs, anything beyond is depending on customer requirements. In modern warfare and for a light figher, it's actually more useful to carry a bigger number of light weapons to useful ranges, than a small number of heavy weapons to close ranges. That's why I would love to see SPICE 250/SDB quadpacks on the centerline station for SEAD or precision strikes and Helina triple launchers for CAS.

i dont think anybody will buy this from middle east and indians should stop copying pakistan and JFT.

Low cost affordable with high performance is the tag of PAF for JFT and frankly JFT is more affordable then Teja and is more superior in performance.

So this theory is not going to work.

When we put the usual indo pak bias aside, it should be clear that JF 17 has a market mainly in countries that can't afford high capable fighters, or might have import limitations for western techs and weapons for example. Any country that can afford it, will prefer J10 (which actually is the main opponent of JF17 thanks to the same Chinese weapons and systems) and Gripen E/F for sure. The difference for export customers that Tejas offers, is that it will be the most cost-effective 4th gen fighter developed and build according to western standards and still can offer Russian standard weapons as alternatives. So in a time where the F16 is not around anymore and only the Gripen E/F will be an affordable choice, the Tejas can be a good alternative for export customers, but first it will need to be build for Indian forces and there the JF 17 will have an advantage, since it can be built in Pakistan and China, which increases production.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

When we put the usual indo pak bias aside, it should be clear that JF 17 has a market mainly in countries that can't afford high capable fighters, or might have import limitations for western techs and weapons for example. Any country that can afford it, will prefer J10 (which actually is the main opponent of JF17 thanks to the same Chinese weapons and systems) and Gripen E/F for sure. The difference for export customers that Tejas offers, is that it will be the most cost-effective 4th gen fighter developed and build according to western standards and still can offer Russian standard weapons as alternatives. So in a time where the F16 is not around anymore and only the Gripen E/F will be an affordable choice, the Tejas can be a good alternative for export customers, but first it will need to be build for Indian forces and there the JF 17 will have an advantage, since it can be built in Pakistan and China, which increases production.

What do u mean High Capable fighters?

R u trying to say we have a Shitty A/c or something?
This kind of talk should only be limited to yr defence forum or bharat rakshak........Nobody is gonna buy that in real world.

Regarding rest of yr underlined post..........It only makes me laugh more.

 

[Superboy]

With so many cheap second hand F-16 now on the market, I don't see any country taking an interest in Tejas. Also, Muslim countries would buy JF-17 and not Tejas. Also, because Tejas has American engine, the US would likely block sale of engine if India wants to sell Tejas and compete with F-16 sales.

 

[sancho]

What do u mean High Capable fighters?

Modern 4.5th gen fighters, with low RCS, advanced radars and EWS, passive detection capability like the Eurocanards for example. The rest of your post just shows that you can't look beyond the usal bias, so lets just leave it at that.

 

[acetophenol]

Do you know how much a HAL officer earns? Do you know how much unionize the system is?? A middle lvl management in HAL gets paid the entry lvl of a commission officer and with lesser benefits then a NCO. The appraisals are peanuts at best. If HAL start proper appraisals and the system is effectively delinked from the union system, HAL can achieve much more than what it can do now.
Thanks

No one has forced them to work for HAL.

The current production rate of Tejas is not sufficient enough to hope for exports.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Modern 4.5th gen fighters, with low RCS, advanced radars and EWS, passive detection capability like the Eurocanards for example. The rest of your post just shows that you can't look beyond the usal bias, so lets just leave it at that.

Do u know thats the RCS and maneuverability of JFT?

Its a F-16s match in performance. Rest of my post shows whatever but come of delusion that Teja is better then JFT.

 

[Superboy]

Modern 4.5th gen fighters, with low RCS, advanced radars and EWS, passive detection capability like the Eurocanards for example. The rest of your post just shows that you can't look beyond the usal bias, so lets just leave it at that.

Don't forget J-10B and JF-17 Block 2, which are surely 4.5 generation fighters equipped with AESA, DSI, IRST, MAWS, full class cockpit, wide angle holographic HUD, full quadruplex digital FBW etc.

 

[sancho]

Do u know thats the RCS and maneuverability of JFT?

Its a F-16s match in performance. Rest of my post shows whatever but come of delusion that Teja is better then JFT.

Not on par with modern fighters, that are designed for lower RCS, or at least are treated with RAM or special coatings. And the performance match is based on comparisons to the older F16s, not to modern delta canards for example and when you consider the limitations PAFs F16s have in terms of avionics and EW sensors, it is not surprising that PAF pilots will love the JF 17. But compared to other newly developed fighters, like the J10 for exapmple, or the Gripen C/D for example it won't.
And feel free to offer some real arguments where you see LCA fells short and we can talk about it, but I won't join silly blame games.

 

[Superboy]

JF-17 doesn't even compete with F-16. JF-17 competes with light fighters Gripen, Tejas, F-20.