Will Pakistan Buy Turkey’s New Advanced Main Battle Tank?

[Max Pain]

if you can afford it sure why not

let's say it's 6 million a piece and you want 250 that'll be $1.5 billion+ buying the ammo/training/maintenance hubs etc etc you are looking at $2 billion dollars.

having a tank that uses 120mm instead of 125 could cause logistical problems in case of a war as well.

we aint gonna but em,
our standard gun here is 125 mm, what i think is probablygoingto happen is that we'll heavily use the Turkish Subsystems in our own Al Khalid 2 MBT.

Alooking forward for this to happen.

a) Pakistan been in the hot spot for being untrustworthy with many nations. Starting from Arabs countries to US. Now China and Pakistan shares very impressive partnership. Which literally means buying Chinese weapons systems and become it's first customer!

b) We all know Pakistan has already inducted huge cache of Chinese weapon system into its army. MBT are one such weapon system China will be very much interested in exporting to Pakistan. But now what could be Pakistans next course of action. Turkey's MBT program is far more robust than of Chinese. Quality wise Turkey's MBT could win hands down over Chinese modern tanks.

Let's see what could be PAs choice!!! Indian Army already posses most feared tanks in the world and Next lot of Armata tanks in on the cards. Nevertheless Arjun MK2 is really impressive as far as I heard from many army sources. In many fields it out performing T90 under very hot dusty climatic conditions.

It's a tight rope!!! Choose from "Necessary vs Diplomatic coup"



Your MBT program is been diminished by Chinese at all cost. It happens with India also sadly we converge on this issue. Pakistan need to have indigenous MBT program. World is changing fast. Basic requirements like MBT should be localised.

Chillax,our MBT program is in no way diminished,
Al Khalid 2 would incorporate a lot from the sub systems of Altay,

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Pakistan cant field heavy tanks like Atlay also i am sure it will fail in Pakistani conditions. Pakistan rejected most tanks due to their bad performance on pakistani soil. If we want something it is better to get a customised version from china which is better logistically as well.

Diversity also bring logistic problems which is the main reason pakistan never opted for multiple types of platforms whether it is Airforce, navy or army.

Turkish geography and Pakistani geography are very similiar, they have snow caped mountains, deserts, grass plains, steppes, and farm fields just like us.

 

[waz]

Turkish geography and Pakistani geography are very similiar, they have snow caped mountains, deserts, grass plains, steppes, and farm fields just like us.

Heavier tanks have been used in Afghanistan for years, whose geography again is very similar to Pakistan, well most of Pakistan bar the Thar desert.

 

[Ind4Ever]

we aint gonna but em,
our standard gun here is 125 mm, what i think is probablygoingto happen is that we'll heavily use the Turkish Subsystems in our own Al Khalid 2 MBT.


Chillax,our MBT program is in no way diminished,
Al Khalid 2 would incorporate a lot from the sub systems of Altay,

I don't think Al Khalid 2 will ever be inducted as your sole MBT. It would Chinese or if ur government got some serious luck by pissing of Chinese it could be Altay.

Heavier tanks have been used in Afghanistan for years, whose geography again is very similar to Pakistan, well most of Pakistan bar the Thar desert.

60 T altay tanks will be of limited use. Unless you got broader roads and strong bridges. Only drawback India facing with Arjun tanks excluding imports of equipments

 

[Fenrir]

Heavier tanks have been used in Afghanistan for years, whose geography again is very similar to Pakistan, well most of Pakistan bar the Thar desert.

Word. Danish Leopard 2's anyone?

To be fair it is mostly light vehicles supporting ISAF ground elements:

Plenty of heavy tanks in Afghanistan too.

As for road quality or wideness... well Afghanistan was never known for the quality of its infrastructure and ISAF heavy tanks have been just fine.

Altay will look nice in Pakistani colors, but cost, as ever, is the main concern.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Sir I think more powerful engines not available for Al Khalid II.

I am sure Pakistan will go for Chinese Tank since Altay is using German engine and very prone to sanctions. Even re-export permission required in case of any deal.

There was a news of 1500 Hp Engine for AK II from South Korea

 

[Maarkhoor]

There was a news of 1500 Hp Engine for AK II from South Korea

Good news but please check the sources and have some research either they are capable enough to produce such engine.

 

[Pandora]

Turkish geography and Pakistani geography are very similiar, they have snow caped mountains, deserts, grass plains, steppes, and farm fields just like us.

On the contrary it is very different. You wont see temperature extremes in Turkey that you see in pakistan. Otherwise you might as well also compare greece with pakistan but they are miles apart. Secondly pakistan rejected 60 Ton M1 Abrahim from US mainly due to its heavy weight also pakistan has standardised 125mm for its tanks. A 65 ton tank is probably out of question as our current road infrastructure can support such a heavy machiene. Lastly Turkish tank is still in development phase and you will see a lot of weight reductions and modifications as it is too bulky for what it is offering.

 

[waz]

60 T altay tanks will be of limited use. Unless you got broader roads and strong bridges. Only drawback India facing with Arjun tanks excluding imports of equipments

It will be far more than 60 my friend. You're looking at least 500. The engineer corps can work on bridges and roads, that's not a major problem.

Word. Danish Leopard 2's anyone?

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To be fair it is mostly light vehicles supporting ISAF ground elements:

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Plenty of heavy tanks in Afghanistan too.

As for road quality or wideness... well Afghanistan was never known for the quality of its infrastructure and ISAF heavy tanks have been just fine.

Altay will look nice in Pakistani colors, but cost, as ever, is the main concern.

Those pictures are a lie I tell you. I hear that heavy tanks just sink in the sand, soil, mud and can't move. Heavy tanks can't do anything. My proof, some of the posts I have seen and the word "heavy".
Lol@the infrastructure argument, I was thinking the exact same thing. ISAF had nothing in Afghanistan, unlike Pakistan, and still managed to layout the required support for the tanks and they operated everywhere.

 

[T-123456]

No,you wont buy the Altay.

 

[-SINAN-]

IMO, Altay will be too pricey for Pakistan to but it. They were talking about 12.5$ Million for a piece....sure it will be much cheaper than that....but it won't be cheap enough.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Good news but please check the sources and have some research either they are capable enough to produce such engine.

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...-and-1500-hp-engines-from-south-korea.405284/

 

[Atlanticore]

a) Pakistan been in the hot spot for being untrustworthy with many nations. Starting from Arabs countries to US. Now China and Pakistan shares very impressive partnership. Which literally means buying Chinese weapons systems and become it's first customer!

Your level of Foolishness and Stupidity is far beyond the limits of Human beings. If you don't have any contribution to make for the topic then spare this thread with your Trolling.
@Horus Can you please ban this troll?

 

[That Guy]

if you can afford it sure why not

let's say it's 6 million a piece and you want 250 that'll be $1.5 billion+ buying the ammo/training/maintenance hubs etc etc you are looking at $2 billion dollars.

having a tank that uses 120mm instead of 125 could cause logistical problems in case of a war as well.

That's assuming Pakistan will buy them all in one go. More than likely, much like other big ticket purchases, Pakistan will buy them in smaller batches at a time, over a number of years. This will make buying, maintaining and training more affordable.

 

[Akasa]

Turkey's MBT program is far more robust than of Chinese. Quality wise Turkey's MBT could win hands down over Chinese modern tanks.

Got any technical or industrial data to back that up?

Sir I think more powerful engines not available for Al Khalid II.

I am sure Pakistan will go for Chinese Tank since Altay is using German engine and very prone to sanctions. Even re-export permission required in case of any deal.

Altay is planned to have a Turkish engine in the future.