Will Indonesia's idea for an Asian peace treaty fly?

[Rechoice]

Yes, TW robbed Itu Aba from the nonexistent Vietnamese garrison and invisible civilian population stationed on the island.

Spratly Islands (reefs, South China Sea) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

Vietnam Joins the World - Google Books

Where in the World is the Philippines?: Debating Its National Territory - Rodolfo Severino - Google Books

The Law of the Sea and Northeast Asia: A Challenge for Cooperation - Hmi-gwOn Pak - Google Books

And thats why Vietnam whines every time Taiwan holds a live fire drill on Taiping and does nothing about it.

Taiwan stages live-fire drill in contested Spratlys

Taiwan unmoved by Vietnam's protest against Taiping drill - The China Post

Taiwan reiterates claim over Taiping amid Vietnam protest - Taiwan News Online

Vietnam controlled Islands from Le and Nguyen Dynasty. ROC stolen Itu Aba 1956.


old map of Vietnam.

China controlled Vietnam more than 1000 years, you are part of China

can KMT refugee in Thailand talk about who control you now ?
Vietnam regained Independence from 936 AD. China ROC regained Independence from Jerchens (Man Quing) 1911.
Too late.

 

[Rechoice]

double posts.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Abu Bakar Bashir, an Indonesian of Yemeni descent, is thought to be the group's spiritual leader-and, some speculate, an operational leader as well. Bashir joined Darul Islam in the 1970s and was imprisoned in Indonesia for Islamist activism. In 1985, after a court ordered him back to prison, Bashir fled to Malaysia. There, he recruited volunteers to fight in the anti-Soviet Muslim brigades in Afghanistan and sought funding from Saudi Arabia while maintaining connections with former colleagues in Indonesia.

After the Indonesian dictator Suharto stepped down in 1998, Bashir returned home to run a pesantren-a Muslim seminary-in Solo, on the Muslim-majority island of Java. He also took up leadership of the Indonesian Mujahadeen Council, an Islamist umbrella group. Bashir has denied involvement in terrorism. Following the October 2002 Bali bombing, Indonesian officials demanded Bashir submit to questioning about that and earlier attacks. In 2003, he was convicted of treason, but the charge was soon after overturned by the Jakarta High Court and, in April 2004, Bashir was released from prison. Citing new evidence, Indonesia authorities rearrested Bashir the same day. On March 5, 2005, he was acquitted of charges that he participated in the 2003 attacks in Jakarta but was found guilty of conspiracy for the 2002 Bali bombings and sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison, which the U.S. and Australian governments criticized as too lenient. Bashir's jail term was cut as part of the tradition of remissions for Indonesia's Independence Day, and he was released in June 2006.



Jemaah Islamiyah (a.k.a. Jemaah Islamiah) - Council on Foreign Relations

How has Indonesia dealt with Jemaah Islamiyah?

Following the September 11, 2001, attacks, the government spent months resisting pressure from its neighbors and the United States to detain alleged JI leaders. Many Indonesian authorities questioned whether the group even existed. Indonesia also resisted U.S. and Asian government requests to arrest Hambali, then JI's suspected operations leader, and he eventually went underground.

Some Indonesian officials said that targeting the extremist group could generate public sympathy for it and help build a following for Bashir and JI in the otherwise largely moderate Muslim country. Indonesia watchers said the government was also worried about appearing to cave in to U.S. demands and so antagonize Islamic political parties.

Are you saying there's a special "committee for Jihad" in the government? Nice to know that there's all kind conspiracy theorist out there. Here's something to add to your list of conspiracy theory 9/11 is an inside job. LOL.

Indonesia is more likely to be regular fascist country than "Islamofascist."

 

[darkhero]

This coming from a Taiwanese, whose very state's existence depends on American Graces. Your existence is ensured by the might of our Western Pacific Command, your entire armed forces is fitted and armed by our defense industry. Your preponderance and unabated tongue should be kept in check, ingrate.

Ridiculous pawn.

Typical loser reply. Can't refute the fact then attack the person.

 

[USAHawk785]

The violaters of treaties is lecturing others on being straitforward.

You violated the Bates Treaty with the Moros and now you are boasting about assisting and abetting Filipino colonization against Moros. You also violated nearly all of your treaties with native americans.



Watch your language. When did you think the Moro insurgency originated? When Salafists came in or when Filipinos swamped the Moro (Muslims) and Lumad (animists) land in Mindanao with Christian Visayans? Or how about when American violated the Bates Treaty and directly attacked and annexed the Moro Sultanates into the Philippines with no provocation?

Before the modern era, Islam in Moroland was like Indonesian Abangan Islam. They mixed pagan animism with Islam. And even then when they fought the Spanish and Americans the juramentados struck fear into them and fought like fanatics. The Moro Sultans did not implement Sharia properly because their Islam was mixed from the start. Salafis did not cause the insurgency they only latched onto it.

It is unfortunate what happened to the Native Americans, however, they are now fully integrated and assimilated into the United States and are placed in protected regions known as reservations. They, as a people, also enjoy rich federal and state grants and scholarships ad infinitum. Their sacrifice was necessary for the glorious realization of American Manifest Destiny.

Typical loser reply. Can't refute the fact then attack the person.

What is pathetic is PRC's failure to retake Taiwan, its inability, I might stress. The Western Command will continue to support these Taiwanese, even if some nincompoops such as 'wholegrain' blabber about. In the end, Taiwan is a strategic pawn of the United States and will bow before our will.

Case in point the PH-Taiwan coast guard shooting incident. As I said earlier, TW silenced itself.

Reality is reality.

 

[USAHawk785]

Are you saying there's a special "committee for Jihad" in the government? Nice to know that there's all kind conspiracy theorist out there. Here's something to add to your list of conspiracy theory 9/11 is an inside job. LOL.

Indonesia is more likely to be regular fascist country than "Islamofascist."

Islamofascist, I reiterate.

 

[USAHawk785]

The violaters of treaties is lecturing others on being straitforward.

You violated the Bates Treaty with the Moros and now you are boasting about assisting and abetting Filipino colonization against Moros.

The treaty essentially recognizes the United States as having sovereignty over the Sulu Sultanate and its dependencies. However, the Bates Treaty insures that the United States will not interfere with the religious customs of the Moros. The Bates Treaty permits the United States to establish bases in the sultanate. In return, the United States would protect the people of the Sultanate from foreign powers and threats.

The Bates Treaty remained in effect throughout the Philippines-American War, and effectively limited the conflict to the Visayas (central Philippines) and Luzon (northern Philippines). After the Philippines-American War drew to a close, military rule over the Philippines transitioned to civilian rule except for the Moro Province.

Under military rule, the United States found it necessary to repeal the Bates Treaty unilaterally in order to prepare the Southern Philippines for civilian rule. That preparation would require substantial changes to the ways of life and laws of the Moros. The terms of the Bates Treaty were perceived as an impediment to such progress. For all intents and purposes, Islamic law based on the religious teachings of the Islamic faith was to be challenged and substituted with an American legal code.

In short, the Bates Treaty proved very useful during the Philippines-American war by keeping the Moros sidelined. Once the war was over, and the colonization of the southern Philippines was to begin, the Bates Treaty was an impediment to progress. The major problem with the Bates Treaty (after the war) was that it prohibited the United States from interfering with the religious customs of the Moros. For the most part, these religious customs ran counter to the objectives of the United States after the end of the Philippines American War. And thus necessitated the repeal of the Treaty to achieve American strategic goals, which were, I reiterate, met.

 

[Wholegrain]

Vietnam controlled Islands from Le and Nguyen Dynasty. ROC stolen Itu Aba 1956.


old map of Vietnam.

Vietnam regained Independence from 936 AD. China ROC regained Independence from Jerchens (Man Quing) 1911.
Too late.

Wrong. Vietnam regained independence in 1954.

 

[USAHawk785]

Wrong. Vietnam regained independence in 1954.

One has to recognize their aspirations, tho. Despite intimidation from the Chinese, the Mongols, the French, Japanese, Americans, they were able to maintain their aspirations for self-determination.

 

[EastSea]

Wrong. Vietnam regained independence in 1954.

and china regained half- independence from Japan 1945, Britain 1997 and Portugal 1999.
In reality, Taiwan is under protectorate of USA now. China is not full independence state now. Too late.

 

[Wholegrain]

and china regained half- independence from Japan 1945, Britain 1997 and Portugal 1999.
In reality, Taiwan is under protectorate of USA now. China is not full independence state now. Too late.

And Taiwan is still occupying Spratly islands so Vietnam is still not independent.

And Macau was voluntarily leased to Portugal and wasn't taken by the force by the Portuguse. In fact the Ming dynasty defeated the Portuguese in battle when they tried to fight.

First Battle of Tamao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second Battle of Tamao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Snomannen]

and china regained half- independence from Japan 1945, Britain 1997 and Portugal 1999.
In reality, Taiwan is under protectorate of USA now. China is not full independence state now. Too late.

China was still existed during that period, yet there wasn't a nation called Vietnam. It was disappeared.

Know the difference.

 

[Anonymous user]

It is unfortunate what happened to the Native Americans, however, they are now fully integrated and assimilated into the United States and are placed in protected regions known as reservations. They, as a people, also enjoy rich federal and state grants and scholarships ad infinitum. Their sacrifice was necessary for the glorious realization of American Manifest Destiny.

That sounds like a Zoo

 

[Wholegrain]

Man you chekwas are at it again history is history we can learn from them or ignore it simply as that you chekwa imperials should just set up your own damn forums about your version of history seriously your b.s is stinking up this forum

@Hu Songshan

He is using the racial slur again, the second time after you first warned him.

That sounds like a Zoo

Canada treats their natives far better. Their languages have official status and they have the right to self-government. Their languages and culture is protected by law and there is no "assimilation" plan forced on them.

http://www.nwtlanguagescommissioner.ca/pdf/Official_Languages_act.pdf

https://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100016293/1100100016294

 

[Zero_wing]

Really well you guys been using racism too you know wow its like calling kettle black