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Will India catch up with China’s Brahmaputra strategies?

@haidian

post the news article than just posting the link....

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The recently-opened tunnel to Metok in Tibet may facilitate the diversion. (Photo credit: Claude Arpi


While India is preparing for a 17th round of talks with China on the India-China border, Beijing is still planning to divert the Brahmaputra. According to a communique, Shivshankar Menon, the Indian National Security Advisor (and Special Representative) and Yang Jiechi, his Chinese counterpart will soon meet to discuss ‘strategic issues’, including the situation in Afghanistan, East Asia and Southeast Asia.

There is not much to discuss about the boundary after 16 rounds of previous unsuccessful discussions. Will the Special Representatives sign a 6th Agreement for maintaining the peace along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control (LAC)? During his visit to Beijing in October 2013, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had inked a Border Defence Cooperation Agreement; it was the 5th one (after the 1993, 1996, 2005 and 2012).

A MoU on Strengthening Cooperation on Trans-border Rivers was also signed by the Chinese and Indian Ministries of Water Resources in Beijing. The Memorandum says, “The Chinese side agreed to extend the data provision period of the Brahmaputra River [Yarlung Tsangpo].” China would now generously give India hydrological information on the Brahmaputra River ‘in flood season’ from May 15 (instead of June 1) to October 15 of the same year.

China has cleared 3 dam projects on Brahmaputra river: Government

The Indian side was delighted, “The Indian side expressed appreciation to the Chinese side in this regard.” Frankly, this amounts to little when there was not a word about the planned diversion of the Brahmaputra. South Block will argue that it has been denied by Chinese officials several times; till today, the diversion of the Brahmaputra seems very much on the cards. True, in November 2006, on the eve of President Hu Jintao’s visit to India, Water Resources Minister Wang Shucheng, a hydraulic engineer, had affirmed that the proposal was “unnecessary, unfeasible and unscientific. There is no need for such dramatic and unscientific projects,” adding “the cost of diverting water from the Yarlung Zangbo would be much more expensive than any of the current water projects.”

It is also correct that in October 2011, Jiao Yong, vice-minister in the Ministry of Water Resources, told a Press conference in Beijing that although there is a demand among Chinese to make greater use of the Yarlung Tsangpo, “considering the technical difficulties, the actual need of diversion and the possible impact on the environment and State-to-State relations, the Chinese Government has no plan to conduct any diversification project in this river.” I got a shock when I discovered an article posted on the website of the Yellow River Conservancy Commission of the Chinese Ministry of Water Resources, detailing the project.

It describes in detail the phaoronic Great Western Water Diversion and the Yellow River Waterway Corridor. It mentions a preliminary feasibility study prepared by officials of the Ministry of Water Resources in Beijing. The idea of the Chinese engineers is to divert 150 billion cubic meters of water and ‘push’ these waters into the drying (and dying) Yellow River in order to irrigate northern China. The Water Diversion Project would collect waters from the Yarlung Tsangpo (later known as Siang in Arunachal and Brahmaputra in Assam), the Nujiang (Salween), the Lancang (Mekong) and Jinsha (Yangtze), Yalong (Yalung) and Dadu rivers and before reaching the upper reaches of the Yellow River.

India-China relations: 2014 can be a great leap forward

The website of the Chinese Ministry even gives some details; some 50 billion m3 would be diverted from the Yarlung Tsangpo/Brahmaputra (about 30 per cent of the average annual runoff of 165.4 billion m3), 24 billion m3 from the Salween (35 per cent), 26 billion m3 from the Mekong (35 per cent), 28 billion m3 from the Yangtze (20 per cent), 12 billion m3 from the Yalung (20 per cent) and 10 billion m3 from the Dabu (20 per cent).

To my knowledge, it is the first time that a ‘preliminary’ study appears on a Government website with such details. In the 1990s, though we got to know about Li Ling’s book, Tibetan Waters will save China, it was not widely circulated outside some experts. Li and his acolyte Guo Kai, a retired PLA General had suggested a Shuotian Canal (‘Shuotian’ is a contraction of Shuomatan in Central Tibet, the origin of the canal and the city of Tianjing at the other end). This project would have diverted 206 billion m3 of water from Tibet to northern China, which badly lacks water.

According to Li Ling, at same time, the recurrent floods of the Yellow River would be eradicated; inland water transport in north China would restart, and, don’t laugh, the floods in Bangladesh and India would be prevented. The route suggested by Li Ling was, however, different from the one mentioned on the website of the Chinese Ministry of Water Resource. For the new project, the Chinese engineers bank on two tributaries of the Yarlung Tsangpo (Brahmaputra), the Palung Tsangpo and Yigong Tsangpo through which the Yarlung Tsangpo’s waters could be ‘pushed’ eastward along the Sichuan-Tibet highway (China National Highway 318, running from Shanghai to the China-Nepal border) through the Baxoi County of Chamdo Prefecture in the Tibet Autonomous Region.

The diversion would meet the Salween, (one of the three parallel rivers, with the Mekong and the Yangtze) and proceed to Xiaya following the Chamdo-Tibet Highway. The Sanjiang (Three Rivers) Water Transfer would then follow the Sichuan-Tibet highway before reaching Dege and the confluence with the Upper Yangtze. Now, the ‘four rivers’ could run along the Sichuan-Tibet highway through Queer Mountain (or Chola Mountain of Western Sichuan) and via Garze reach the confluence with the Yalung River. There would now be five rivers (Yarlung Tsangpo, Salween, Yangtze, Mekong, and Yalung). The water transfer would then proceed along the Sichuan-Tibet highway, via Dadu in Luhuo County.

5 flash points between India, China

After the confluence with the Dadu River, it would finally shoot off north along the highway through Zamtang of Ngaba prefecture before reaching the Yellow River which would be crossed to reach the Yellow River Ma Chu Great Bend where a giant reservouir would regulate the flow of the river. ‘Maqu’ or ‘Ma chu’ (‘River of the Peacock’ in Tibetan) is the local name of the Yellow River. How feasible is it to realize a such mega project? It is impossible to say. The first leg, before the transfer reaches the Salween, seems impossible, but the Chinese engineers (and their emperors) like to realise the ‘impossible’. The fact remains that China is still working on a feasibility study of this megalomaniac scheme; it has not been shelved as Indian officials were
told.

The problem is that China is thirsty; China needs water so badly. Will Indian Government officials dare to ask some pertinent questions to their Chinese counterparts is another issue.

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India shouldn't "catch Up" or "take resort of same tactics" like China did,diverting the water from Brahmaputra.we should also take care of lower riparian country BD.cause if we deploy same tactics,BD will suffer massively.

we should call our BD brothers..

@BDforever @kalu_miah @asad71 @PlanetSoldier and other Bangladeshi members....your views
 
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Diverting Brahmaputra river is just a matter of time, when we finish the nord-south water transfer project, than India can kiss good bye that river. :lol:..we dont make the preliminary study of this river for nothing, Tibet water will definitively save China for sure.

 
Diverting Brahmaputra river is just a matter of time, when we finish the nord-south water transfer project, than India can kiss good bye that river. :lol:..we dont make the preliminary study of this river for nothing, Tibet water will definitively save China for sure.

do not forget us brother :(
 
do not forget us brother :(

Don't worry brother, China never want to harm a friendly nation such BD and it's not in China's interest anyway, we will release enough to satisfy BD's need and let suppose that we release 10 millions liter for BD and you only received 3 millions liter than you know who is the water thief.;)
 
@haidian

post the news article than just posting the link....

123.jpg

The recently-opened tunnel to Metok in Tibet may facilitate the diversion. (Photo credit: Claude Arpi


While India is preparing for a 17th round of talks with China on the India-China border, Beijing is still planning to divert the Brahmaputra. According to a communique, Shivshankar Menon, the Indian National Security Advisor (and Special Representative) and Yang Jiechi, his Chinese counterpart will soon meet to discuss ‘strategic issues’, including the situation in Afghanistan, East Asia and Southeast Asia.

There is not much to discuss about the boundary after 16 rounds of previous unsuccessful discussions. Will the Special Representatives sign a 6th Agreement for maintaining the peace along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control (LAC)? During his visit to Beijing in October 2013, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had inked a Border Defence Cooperation Agreement; it was the 5th one (after the 1993, 1996, 2005 and 2012).

A MoU on Strengthening Cooperation on Trans-border Rivers was also signed by the Chinese and Indian Ministries of Water Resources in Beijing. The Memorandum says, “The Chinese side agreed to extend the data provision period of the Brahmaputra River [Yarlung Tsangpo].” China would now generously give India hydrological information on the Brahmaputra River ‘in flood season’ from May 15 (instead of June 1) to October 15 of the same year.

China has cleared 3 dam projects on Brahmaputra river: Government

The Indian side was delighted, “The Indian side expressed appreciation to the Chinese side in this regard.” Frankly, this amounts to little when there was not a word about the planned diversion of the Brahmaputra. South Block will argue that it has been denied by Chinese officials several times; till today, the diversion of the Brahmaputra seems very much on the cards. True, in November 2006, on the eve of President Hu Jintao’s visit to India, Water Resources Minister Wang Shucheng, a hydraulic engineer, had affirmed that the proposal was “unnecessary, unfeasible and unscientific. There is no need for such dramatic and unscientific projects,” adding “the cost of diverting water from the Yarlung Zangbo would be much more expensive than any of the current water projects.”

It is also correct that in October 2011, Jiao Yong, vice-minister in the Ministry of Water Resources, told a Press conference in Beijing that although there is a demand among Chinese to make greater use of the Yarlung Tsangpo, “considering the technical difficulties, the actual need of diversion and the possible impact on the environment and State-to-State relations, the Chinese Government has no plan to conduct any diversification project in this river.” I got a shock when I discovered an article posted on the website of the Yellow River Conservancy Commission of the Chinese Ministry of Water Resources, detailing the project.

It describes in detail the phaoronic Great Western Water Diversion and the Yellow River Waterway Corridor. It mentions a preliminary feasibility study prepared by officials of the Ministry of Water Resources in Beijing. The idea of the Chinese engineers is to divert 150 billion cubic meters of water and ‘push’ these waters into the drying (and dying) Yellow River in order to irrigate northern China. The Water Diversion Project would collect waters from the Yarlung Tsangpo (later known as Siang in Arunachal and Brahmaputra in Assam), the Nujiang (Salween), the Lancang (Mekong) and Jinsha (Yangtze), Yalong (Yalung) and Dadu rivers and before reaching the upper reaches of the Yellow River.

India-China relations: 2014 can be a great leap forward

The website of the Chinese Ministry even gives some details; some 50 billion m3 would be diverted from the Yarlung Tsangpo/Brahmaputra (about 30 per cent of the average annual runoff of 165.4 billion m3), 24 billion m3 from the Salween (35 per cent), 26 billion m3 from the Mekong (35 per cent), 28 billion m3 from the Yangtze (20 per cent), 12 billion m3 from the Yalung (20 per cent) and 10 billion m3 from the Dabu (20 per cent).

To my knowledge, it is the first time that a ‘preliminary’ study appears on a Government website with such details. In the 1990s, though we got to know about Li Ling’s book, Tibetan Waters will save China, it was not widely circulated outside some experts. Li and his acolyte Guo Kai, a retired PLA General had suggested a Shuotian Canal (‘Shuotian’ is a contraction of Shuomatan in Central Tibet, the origin of the canal and the city of Tianjing at the other end). This project would have diverted 206 billion m3 of water from Tibet to northern China, which badly lacks water.

According to Li Ling, at same time, the recurrent floods of the Yellow River would be eradicated; inland water transport in north China would restart, and, don’t laugh, the floods in Bangladesh and India would be prevented. The route suggested by Li Ling was, however, different from the one mentioned on the website of the Chinese Ministry of Water Resource. For the new project, the Chinese engineers bank on two tributaries of the Yarlung Tsangpo (Brahmaputra), the Palung Tsangpo and Yigong Tsangpo through which the Yarlung Tsangpo’s waters could be ‘pushed’ eastward along the Sichuan-Tibet highway (China National Highway 318, running from Shanghai to the China-Nepal border) through the Baxoi County of Chamdo Prefecture in the Tibet Autonomous Region.

The diversion would meet the Salween, (one of the three parallel rivers, with the Mekong and the Yangtze) and proceed to Xiaya following the Chamdo-Tibet Highway. The Sanjiang (Three Rivers) Water Transfer would then follow the Sichuan-Tibet highway before reaching Dege and the confluence with the Upper Yangtze. Now, the ‘four rivers’ could run along the Sichuan-Tibet highway through Queer Mountain (or Chola Mountain of Western Sichuan) and via Garze reach the confluence with the Yalung River. There would now be five rivers (Yarlung Tsangpo, Salween, Yangtze, Mekong, and Yalung). The water transfer would then proceed along the Sichuan-Tibet highway, via Dadu in Luhuo County.

5 flash points between India, China

After the confluence with the Dadu River, it would finally shoot off north along the highway through Zamtang of Ngaba prefecture before reaching the Yellow River which would be crossed to reach the Yellow River Ma Chu Great Bend where a giant reservouir would regulate the flow of the river. ‘Maqu’ or ‘Ma chu’ (‘River of the Peacock’ in Tibetan) is the local name of the Yellow River. How feasible is it to realize a such mega project? It is impossible to say. The first leg, before the transfer reaches the Salween, seems impossible, but the Chinese engineers (and their emperors) like to realise the ‘impossible’. The fact remains that China is still working on a feasibility study of this megalomaniac scheme; it has not been shelved as Indian officials were
told.

The problem is that China is thirsty; China needs water so badly. Will Indian Government officials dare to ask some pertinent questions to their Chinese counterparts is another issue.

__________________________________________________________________

India shouldn't "catch Up" or "take resort of same tactics" like China did,diverting the water from Brahmaputra.we should also take care of lower riparian country BD.cause if we deploy same tactics,BD will suffer massively.

we should call our BD brothers..

@BDforever @kalu_miah @asad71 @PlanetSoldier and other Bangladeshi members....your views


The water issues were created by India in the1950s. China needs to invest far more in the economy and defense of BD.China needs to engage more in politics of BD. NE FFs need more support from China.
 
Apparently India has water disputes with almost all of its neighbors....o_O
 
Don't worry brother, China never want to harm a friendly nation such BD and it's not in China's interest anyway, we will release enough to satisfy BD's need and let suppose that we release 10 millions liter for BD and you only received 3 millions liter than you know who is the water thief.;)

Funny the BD on this forum are so silent on such a stupid comment by Chinese poster above.

If total water supply is 100 then China should release 50-60 for India and BD both. India can use 20-30 and leave rest 20-30 for BD.

But if China keeps 90 and release only 10, then India has no option but to use 7 for its N-E and in that case BD would get only 3.

the thief is clearly China.

China is stealing BD water? You BD guys got no problems it seems. lol lol

The BD guys on this forum (most of them and surely not all) are like slaves of Chinese.
 
You are screwed. A lot of Brahmaputra's tributaries originate in India and also NE gets more than enough rain. But this might force India to block the river. If you have any problem with that contact the original water thief.

Do you think these Bangladeshi cheerleaders will ever criticize China. The cheerleaders are only worried about tiny rivers like Barak or Teesta but not the mighty Brahmaputra.
 
Don't worry brother, China never want to harm a friendly nation such BD and it's not in China's interest anyway, we will release enough to satisfy BD's need and let suppose that we release 10 millions liter for BD and you only received 3 millions liter than you know who is the water thief.;)

:rofl: :rofl:

Did you write name on water before releasing -----------------> "Water for Dear Friend BD, Any Thief will be prosecuted.........Love China!!" :rofl: :rofl:
 
This is called begging. :rofl::rofl:

That;s not begging, that's a friendly reminder, you Indian can't see the difference :lol:

You are screwed. A lot of Brahmaputra's tributaries originate in India and also NE gets more than enough rain. But this might force India to block the river. If you have any problem with that contact the original water thief.

Needless to say much about India, the video explain all.


you want to see whats "Water Dispute"??let us nullify "Indus Treaty"...

And who has the last word about Indus river? go to check the map :lol:
 

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