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Will give Independence to kashmir PM Imran

Exactly. The situation hasn't been altered - India has not crossed the LoC. What's the point you are trying to make?

it was altered. all those articles that India revoked over a year ago. that is also why China said the situation has been altered and they started getting aggressive in Ladakh. the whole world sees it this way, except India.
 
If India accepts freedom of Jammu Kashmir on condition of Pakistan granting freedom of Azad Kashmir then I guess we should consider Kashmir's freedom and interest above other petty personal matters and ego.

Matter of fact is whole Kashmir should go to vote n let em choose independence or pakistan or india. Its just formality we all know entire Kashmir including indian terrorized and butchered will choose Pakistan.
 
Exactly. The situation hasn't been altered - India has not crossed the LoC. What's the point you are trying to make?
The situation has been altered with the change in status of Indian Occupied J&K.

The change in the status of Indian Occupied J&K is also clearly "the organization, assistance or encouragement of acts detrimental to the maintenance of peace and harmonious relations", as was the unprovoked Indian aggression in Balakot and the Indian military deployment in Siachen in 1984.

The situation was also altered by India's refusal to abide by her commitments to implement the UNSC Resolutions on Jammu & Kashmir.
Why do you act dumb and feign ignorance when clearly you're one of the smarter individuals around here?
I know. Quite disappointed really, but ultimately not surprised.

That has been the trend with many of our good Indian posters - logic, reasoning and common sense goes out the window when it comes to Jammu & Kashmir and all they do is parrot ludicrous Government of India talking points.
 
Even Musharraf said back during his time. This is the principle stance of Pakistan. Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris and they will and should decide about their future, Pakistan or independent.
 
oh lala inna kotya ki ni samj achni. ey lok sirf lithar samjne. do char subba paywe a howan te do char shaami - fir ey teek rene.

Ala mein akhan ... Sirf mein hi islamgarh nah itheh wanh han parr janab saab tusan wi idhar hi ho. Eh jeray saray mikki Indian samajnay sanh keeyan kay mein Pakistan ni awaam ki raghra laranh rayyan han. Eh samajneh kay mein Indian han. Par chalo khayr eh appay thakki jasan. Wesay janab tusan kuth-teh rehna ho Mirpur wich.

Raghra taanh larranh kay besharm qaum wich beyghayrti bahoon aahi gi heh ... Malish naal matta thoray jiyan ki sharm aahi jahay ... Aik ki vi aahi jahay teh mehnat zayan ni horeenh. Engrezi nay jaraseem zedeh nah inna wich.
 
I am from Azad Kashmir

Everyone I know, relations, people, villages and towns her would overwhelmingly vote for Pakistan

What IK is saying let the people of Kashmir choosh and have a free referendum

But really he knows Pakistan would win the referendum, hence he is quite blasé

It's the Indians who have pain in their asses because they know that they would lose any referendum, so they are trying to force a occupation that's created endless conflict in South Asia

Yeeah we all know JKLF is just a formality not actuality. It is allowed to work because no one cares about independence movement. People take part in JkLf rallies cause they organise rallies against indian ipression. No one i know has ever associated Jklf with independence from Pakistan ... Jklf has always worked for independence of occupied Kashmir. I cant recall it striving for indepence from Pakistan.

I think people are misconstruing their objextive due to name ... Liberationin jklf is for occupied kashmir not azaad.
 
Yeeah we all know JKLF is just a formality not actuality. It is allowed to work because no one cares about independence movement. People take part in JkLf rallies cause they organise rallies against indian ipression. No one i know has ever associated Jklf with independence from Pakistan ... Jklf has always worked for independence of occupied Kashmir. I cant recall it striving for indepence from Pakistan.

I think people are misconstruing their objextive due to name ... Liberationin jklf is for occupied kashmir not azaad.

It's more then that, most people have a brain in their heads, what sense does a landlocked mountain state make next to a Hindu Extremist country

The reality is the majority a comfortable with a Pakistani identity, a Muslim state for our people


We have been far too easy on numbskulls up and down the country creating fassad for decades on the whims of a few idiots regarding Balochistan, Sindh, KPK


We need to now go hard against the likes.of PTM
 
my only concern is imran plz give us fucking industry and help oversea azad k paks by giving them jobs who will do a good job right here in pak,. Plus drop taxes on importing goods that will help develop azad k. clean up the airport it is still corupt they still take bribes. Jobs should be proritised for locals.
 
What kind of logic is that? Being from Mirpur doesn't give you the right to speak for the whole of Kashmir or every Kashmiri living in the state. Granted, people wanting to live independently are in minority but you should know that their numbers have increased in the last few years. Anyhow, wanting an independent Kashmir is in no way treachery with Pakistan, if you believe that then you're the living example of Shah say zyada Shah kay wafadaar. Your sentiments are your and your own only, if you consider yourself a Pakistani before a Kashmiri then you have a right to do so, but so does those who consider themselves Kashmiri before Pakistani. Besides, making Kashmir an Independent country doesn't mean that it will become Pakistan's enemy or wage a war against it, hell, we don't even have to close the borders between Kashmir and Pakistan, even if Kashmir becomes a separate country, it will always have brotherly and open relations with Pakistan. At the end, the only thing that matters is what the people of Kashmir want, if (though it won't happen) they want independence, NO ONE has the right to call them a traitor.

I was raised and lived under protection of Pakistan army. Entire Azaad Kashmir is today because Pakistani army n Pakistan is fighting for Kashmir. Without Pakistan there is no Kashmir ... All you have is rape death destruction barbarity of Indian army. You dont believe me ... Look at the Indian side of Kashmir. I am Kashmiri and i am proud of it but i am also Pakistani and i am proud of it. We Kashmiri owe our prosperity comfort houses freedom and wealth to men protecting us on the border of Kashmir ... Pakistan army ... And Pakistan goverments.

Namak harami is not me and i dont make distinction between Kashmir and Pakistan. Even a independent Kashmir would and should have no formal border control ... You are new jaraseem but ur grand father and evryone just wanted ... Kashmir banay ga Pakistan. ... Heh Haq hamara ... Azaadi ... Cheen kay lenh gay ... Azaadi ... Abh yeh maahen mangen ... Azaadi ... Yeh bhooray mangeh ... Azaadi ... Meray Maula deh deh ... Azaadi ... Leh khoon hamra ... Azaadi ... And last one was ... Kashmir banay ga Pakistan ... Thts the slogans i was raised with and these slogans are my rooh ... There was never an iota of ... Azaadi from Pakistan Khudmukhtari was ... Always ... Understood Indian Kashmir given choice to choose ...
 
We Kashmiris don't want anything to do with the artificial anglo project Bharat, if they have any dignity left then they the should f*** off from our sacred lands, and squat elsewhere in their mainland..
 
Keeping these aspects in mind I was wondering of Pakistan can make a deal with China and take it back directly. I do doubt it though
As I pointed out earlier if India could not hold onto Aksai China Pakistan being smaller stood no chance with Shaksgam Valley given it's difficult geography. Yes, in my opinion given size of China it would have been honourable thing for China to just ignore the strip. But they did not and Pakistan was not in any position to challange them.

International relations are formed on common interests. You can't make friends. They come as they are. And we all know what Chinese are like.
 
This is the right step. Lets see which Pakistani leader has the ability to do it now, he has spoken but can he do it.
 

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