Will give Independence to kashmir PM Imran

[Indus Pakistan]

Use of word ‘Tiny’ to justify ceding a part of territory doesn’t sound right. More of opportunistic and greedy would be the right word.

Whatever you describe it but have a look. Your moaning about Shaksgam but what about that huge chunk called Aksai China and another piece to the south? What was that? Some form of Gangu baksheesh to the Chinks?

Go grab Aksai first and then we will talk about Shaksgam. Note on the map which is from Gangu POV that Shaksgam comes with caption "ceded by Pakistan" but no caption next to Aksai Chin like -

• taken off from India
• stolen from India
• baksheesh by India

 

[newb3e]

Whatever you describe it but have a look. Your moaning about Shaksgam but what about that huge chunk called Aksai China and another piece to the south? What was that? Some form of Gangu baksheesh to the Chinks?

Go grab Aksai first and then we will talk about Shaksgam. Note on the map which is from Gangu POV that Shaksgam comes with caption "ceded by Pakistan" but no caption next to Aksai Chin like -

• taken off from India
• stolen from India
• baksheesh by India

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these illiterate ignorant brain dead bakhts only thump their boobies and talk shit! their arrogance will be their demise!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Note for Paks: I have looked at Shaksgam and Pakistan giving it to China. Frankly the valley falls on the other side of K2 and it would have been impossible to secure it. 100 PLA troops could have just walked in and grabbed it because the natural entrance to the valley falls on the Chinese side of the Karakorums. Given that Pakisatan was struggling with one billion people swamp it made no sense to now get embroiled with another 1 billion panda. Therefore it made sense to give with respect than have it torn under your a*s like what Chinese did to India with regards to Aksai China and are still doing on the LAC at Doklam.

But it should nevertheless tell us about the Chinese mind. They could easily have left it with Pakistan since we are a smaller country. But oh no. It would have been nice today to have access to K2 from the north.

 

[KurtisBrian]

So I guess if Pakistan occupied Kashmire becomes independent then India or China can invade and conquer it. Wouldn't have anything to do with Pakistan anymore. World has a long history of nations invading and taking.

 

[VkdIndian]

Whatever you describe it but have a look.

I agree that Aksai was lost. No disagreement on that. It was lost period.

My contention is that why wait for India to get it back and then Pakistan to take it from India. Isn’t it a long route? What if India is unable to do it? And I don’t think that it is going to happen.

Keeping these aspects in mind I was wondering of Pakistan can make a deal with China and take it back directly. I do doubt it though.

these illiterate ignorant brain dead bakhts only thump their boobies and talk shit! their arrogance will be their demise!

Literacy is forte of few fanboys like you. It shows. Everyone who disagrees or posts anything against “literates” becomes a bhakt. I am better off illiterate then be a blinkered literate. Literacy rate is also displayed by usage of cuss words. Boobies, yindus, cow piss and many more. Now don’t prove me wrong.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Make Pak administered Kashmir an independent nation. Do it.

Stop trolling please.

That's not how the UNSC Resolutions are structured.

For Pakistan to do a piecemeal plebiscite would require a return to the UNSC. As it stands, the UNSC resolutions only have two options for a plebiscite - choice between India & Pakistan. The choice for independence will have to be a second plebiscite after/if Kashmiris choose Pakistan in a plebiscite per the UNSC Resolutions.

The referendum must be held under UN for both Indian and Pakistan administered Kashmir.

Correct - there is no option in the UNSC for a piecemeal plebiscite. In order for that to happen, the UNSC would have to pass new resolutions which means the issue needs to be brought up for a vote in the UNSC again.

 

[313ghazi]

I am from Azad Kashmir. Mikki apreenh zaban ashni eh jehri kashmiri jammu wich bolnay neh o neeh ashni. Mari gal samjya hen ya jehri samj heh si o vi ghayb ho gahi eh.

oh lala inna kotya ki ni samj achni. ey lok sirf lithar samjne. do char subba paywe a howan te do char shaami - fir ey teek rene.

 

[krash]

Looks like you don’t know what Kashmir is. The Riyasat of Jammu and Kashmir includes many regions, Kashmir region speaks Kashmiri, Ladakh speaks Ladakhi, Baltistan speaks Balti, Gilgit speaks Gilgiti, Jammu speaks Dogri and Pahadi etc etc.

So we are talking about just the "Kashmir region" then? Please go ahead and exactly identify the boundaries of the "Kashmir region". It's not going to help you though, since the languages are distributed as below. There are further micro level divisions in languages in the "Kashmir Region", let me know if you want to learn about them as well.

So no. Your statement is absolute hogwash since you have no idea what you are talking about. Also, there is no "Gilgiti" language.

Once you're done with the above, go ahead and answer the rest of the questions as well.

1) Is everyone who lives in Kashmir an ethnic Kashmiri?
2) If not, then are ethnic Kashmiris the only ones qualified to speak on behalf of Kashmir?
3) Does every ethnic Kashmiri speak Kashar?
4) Lastly, how many Indians don't speak Hindi? I'll give you a hint. It's more than the entire population of Pakistan.

So why showing Jammu Kashmir as Pakistan’s part? Isn’t it hypocrisy?
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Do you often find yourself spewing nonsense? Do you need professional help?

 

[313ghazi]

So I guess if Pakistan occupied Kashmire becomes independent then India or China can invade and conquer it. Wouldn't have anything to do with Pakistan anymore. World has a long history of nations invading and taking.

exactly, which is why I as a Kashmiri would always vote to remain part of Pakistan.

Also I believe that Allah gave us the opportunity of Pakistan to unite, not so we could further divide. Only those interested in wielding power for themselves, have any interest in diving brothers.

 

[maverick1977]

I am from, Kashmir, Mirpur, islamgarh. I very much doubt independent vote would be more then two three lakh i.e. 300K. Vast majority will choose Pakistan and i am Pakistani first and Kashmiri second. Anyone wanting indepedence in my books is a traitor and should be hanged.

I sincerely want to give you a hug for your statement. Both Kashmiri and Pakistanis have written this love story through blood and sweat... cant wait to drive openly from muzafarabad to srinagar and from sialkot to Jammu.. ❤

 

[Svartr Warg]

That's how it should be. Pakistan should NEVER try to straight up anex Azad Kashmir with Pakistan, that will produce many troublesome insurgencies and Pakistan is dealing with enough of them already. Secondly, it would be a downright betrayal with people of Azad Kashmir. Whether they want to live with Pakistan or live independently, that's for them to decide, Pakistan or India cannot decide that for them. A plebiscite in Kashmir is the most ideal solution because of differing opinions.

 

[Jackdaws]

Stop trolling please.

That's not how the UNSC Resolutions are structured.

For Pakistan to do a piecemeal plebiscite would require a return to the UNSC. As it stands, the UNSC resolutions only have two options for a plebiscite - choice between India & Pakistan. The choice for independence will have to be a second plebiscite after/if Kashmiris choose Pakistan in a plebiscite per the UNSC Resolutions.

Correct - there is no option in the UNSC for a piecemeal plebiscite. In order for that to happen, the UNSC would have to pass new resolutions which means the issue needs to be brought up for a vote in the UNSC again.

This has been discussed to death. Indian stand remains that as per Shimla Agreement the matter will be settled bilaterally. That means UN is no longer involved. Whether Pakistan or UN state otherwise, it won't change Indian stance.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

India will never compromise on its territorial and sovereign integrity whatsover. And it is a clear fact. So better leave all this Kashmir Kashmir and focus on what both India and Pakistan have got to progress further.

I cant quote your other post but that is not Pinjabi thats Mirpuri a language of Kashmir... what you are talking is Hindko at language of Kashmir too..

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

This has been discussed to death. Indian stand remains that as per Shimla Agreement the matter will be settled bilaterally. That means UN is no longer involved. Whether Pakistan or UN state otherwise, it won't change Indian stance.

India already broke the Shimla agreement when it cancelled Article 370 and so on.

 

[Svartr Warg]

What kind of logic is that? Being from Mirpur doesn't give you the right to speak for the whole of Kashmir or every Kashmiri living in the state. Granted, people wanting to live independently are in minority but you should know that their numbers have increased in the last few years. Anyhow, wanting an independent Kashmir is in no way treachery with Pakistan, if you believe that then you're the living example of Shah say zyada Shah kay wafadaar. Your sentiments are your and your own only, if you consider yourself a Pakistani before a Kashmiri then you have a right to do so, but so does those who consider themselves Kashmiri before Pakistani. Besides, making Kashmir an Independent country doesn't mean that it will become Pakistan's enemy or wage a war against it, hell, we don't even have to close the borders between Kashmir and Pakistan, even if Kashmir becomes a separate country, it will always have brotherly and open relations with Pakistan. At the end, the only thing that matters is what the people of Kashmir want, if (though it won't happen) they want independence, NO ONE has the right to call them a traitor.

I am from, Kashmir, Mirpur, islamgarh. I very much doubt independent vote would be more then two three lakh i.e. 300K. Vast majority will choose Pakistan and i am Pakistani first and Kashmiri second. Anyone wanting indepedence in my books is a traitor and should be hanged.