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There are not one for gun, one for firearms. Firearms is a category term cover all projectile weapon, hence it was called a "FIREARM LICENSE", you don't have one license for guns, and one license for firearms. They are the same license

you are arguing about whether or not Flamethrower is a firearms, it is, according to Hong Kong Law.

Can you point out if I post the Firearms Ordinance of Hong Kong? :lol:

Again, do remind me what is the name of something I need to have a firearms license if I want to legally own? Was that called "FIREARMS"?

Again, if you think Oxford Dictionary is on your side, you should challenge the definition of FIREARMS in Hong Kong Firearms Ordinance. Make a flamethrower and show it to the police and say, "HEY! Oxford Dictionary does not think this is a gun or firearms" .:rofl:

Now you are just repeating what you said before. :lol:

I have no interest in continuing this argument, since all the sources support me and none of the sources support you. It's a waste of time until you find a real source. :P
 
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Now you are just repeating what you said before. :lol:

I have no interest in continuing this argument, since all the sources support me and none of the sources support you. It's a waste of time until you find a real source. :P

So, now hong kong law is not a source too?

Yeah, go make a flamethrower, and pop down to the police station, and say, "Hey!! All the source support me and none of the source say this is a firearms and guns"

You should just go do it or admit you are wrong,
 
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So, now hong kong law is not a source too?

Yeah, go make a flamethrower, and pop down to the police station, and say, "Hey!! All the source support me and none of the source say this is a firearms and guns"

You should just go do it or admit you are wrong,

All the sources say I am right, and you are wrong. Even the sources you have provided. :rofl:
 
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All the sources say I am right, and you are wrong. Even the sources you have provided. :rofl:

go make one or admit you are wrong. If you think All the sources say you are right, and I amwrong. Even the sources I have provided. :rofl:

If you are too scare to make one, THEN YOU ARE WRONG AND I AM RIGHT HA-HA
 
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His contortion of logic is sounding like the Indians.
He still have heavyweights backing him up, namely his wife and brother-in-laws.

Beware, more likely his whole clan waiting for you.
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Your Chinese friend is arguing the concept and origin of a weapon that he has no experience in using against someone who does. And your Chinese friend has the backing of those who also have no experience of the same. Kinda like: 0 + 0 = 0.
 
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Your Chinese friend is arguing the concept and origin of a weapon that he has no experience in using against someone who does. And your Chinese friend has the backing of those who also have no experience of the same. Kinda like: 0 + 0 = 0.
Have military experience does not mean he get to use all types of weapons and most of the time only once or twice during his officer training.

There is also no means to verify the credentials of members here.
So lets just have an enjoyable debate, even a ridiculous one, based on arguments and verifiable facts.
For example, I have no training on submarines, but I still engage in the debate on the China semi submersible vessel with whatever limited knowledge I have.
I have also come to realize many here don't have military experience but they are able to ferret out relevant new information.
Sometimes experience will constrict you to old and doggy methods of doing things when new and more efficient methods have been found and in use.
Let's not oversell the experience advantage.

https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-experience-trap
Despite their experiences with complex projects, the veteran managers do not meaningfully improve the mental models they have formed in simpler contexts.

https://knowledge.insead.edu/leadership-management/talent-management/the-experience-trap-2002
In their research, they found that experienced managers applied the wrong lessons, didn’t link the right lessons with outcomes or were given erroneous objectives or unhelpful feedback. It all adds up to extra problems in project management.
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Are you implying that ancient Vietnam was inferior to ancient Japan? Japan was never as powerful as you claimed before their industrialization. The answer to you is very obvious, because in ancient time Chinese believe in unifying the land that was once belong to them and Vietnam was once part of the Chinese empire. We did that to Korean too since Northern Korea was once part of the Han dynasty. And clearly Japan was not.
You and your lame excuses and pretexts

No wonder the Vietnamese despise you while the Japanese laugh because you can wait until eternity until an apology comes.
 
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You and your lame excuses and pretexts

No wonder the Vietnamese despise you while the Japanese laugh because you can wait until eternity until an apology comes.
Be a man, talk with your own merits, stop using American, Japanese butt skin as your own face
No one despise you bottom feeders more than us Hongkongers, he happened to be one, just have some self respect, do not mention the word "DESPISE" ever, this word has never been within the vietnamese dictionary
Come back and shot your ignorant trash by the time you viets stop rushing in China HK like there's no tomorrow
No wonder your own countrymen :Aviet told the bitter truth: "South vietnamese on this forum has NO dignity, you have just verified his world with your self-hated behavior period
 
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Learn some history instead of embarrassing yourself. one upside of east Asian history is how well documented it is. Hideyoshis invasion force numbered near 200 thousand strong. They were seasoned warriors after fighting in their own homeland for so long. The Ming army sent during the first invasion numbered just over 30 thousand. Korean forces during the whole war was trash except for monks fighting behind enemy lines as well as their navy.

The Japanese sent their best. The Ming sent a motley collection of troops drawn all over the empire and still won.
He can't learn history because it's written in Chinese. Even越 history is written in Chinese
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Be a man, talk with your own merits, stop using American, Japanese butt skin as your own face
No one despise you bottom feeders more than us Hongkongers, he happened to be one, just have some self respect, do not mention the word "DESPISE" ever, this word has never been within the vietnamese dictionary
Come back and shot your ignorant trash by the time you viets stop rushing in China HK like there's no tomorrow
No wonder your own countrymen :Aviet told the bitter truth: "South vietnamese on this forum has NO dignity, you have just verified his world with your self-hated behavior period
relax man. First, there's no difference between north and south Viets because we all come from the north. Second, aviet is of Chinese ethnic. What do you think what he likes thrashing India and never jumps in when some Chinese posters using monkey word? HK is a refugee haven almost all citizens there have refugee background pls don't complain. Last, as for despise and no apology I am talking in historical context not personally.
 
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Have military experience does not mean he get to use all types of weapons and most of the time only once or twice during his officer training.

There is also no means to verify the credentials of members here.
So lets just have an enjoyable debate, even a ridiculous one, based on arguments and verifiable facts.
For example, I have no training on submarines, but I still engage in the debate on the China semi submersible vessel with whatever limited knowledge I have.
The boundaries of your experience SHOULD dictate the scope and depth of your arguments. At least wise people would act that way.

For example...I have never lived in China, so I stay out of Chinese politics at all levels. I may criticize the Chinese GOVERNMENT at times regarding policies, especially if affects US, but I do not engage the Chinese members about the "who's who" of Chinese politics. Get it ?

As for experience verification, the contents of one's comments are often accurate enough indicators of one's claimed experience. If said experience is easy enough to fake, this place would be crawling with military members of every country. Instead, there are commonalities to all armed forces of every country that a fraud would be exposed in time. I have done it myself twice on this forum already. One fraud was an American who claimed US Army experience as a lieutenant but the guy could not spell 'sergeant' correctly. Another fraud was a Indonesian who claimed 'aviation experience' but could not tell me his specialty.

It is very difficult for any American, especially those of us who are gunowners, to take seriously the arguments about guns from foreigners whose closest experience with anything that go 'Boom' are holiday celebration fireworks. As for myself, I have literally stood next to two B61 free fall nuclear bombs when I was on Victor Alert duty back in the 1980s. So it is very hard for me to take seriously the casual comments about 'nuking' from the Chinese camp in this forum.

Too bad the Chinese members usually go out of their boundaries and ended up looking like fools.

Sometimes experience will constrict you to old and doggy methods of doing things when new and more efficient methods have been found and in use.
So far, we have not seen anything new from the PLA regarding warfare in general, let alone specifics.
 
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You and your lame excuses and pretexts

No wonder the Vietnamese despise you while the Japanese laugh because you can wait until eternity until an apology comes.
So now you are trolling. I should find it out sooner, you are waste of my time.
 
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The boundaries of your experience SHOULD dictate the scope and depth of your arguments. At least wise people would act that way.

For example...I have never lived in China, so I stay out of Chinese politics at all levels. I may criticize the Chinese GOVERNMENT at times regarding policies, especially if affects US, but I do not engage the Chinese members about the "who's who" of Chinese politics. Get it ?

As for experience verification, the contents of one's comments are often accurate enough indicators of one's claimed experience. If said experience is easy enough to fake, this place would be crawling with military members of every country. Instead, there are commonalities to all armed forces of every country that a fraud would be exposed in time. I have done it myself twice on this forum already. One fraud was an American who claimed US Army experience as a lieutenant but the guy could not spell 'sergeant' correctly. Another fraud was a Indonesian who claimed 'aviation experience' but could not tell me his specialty.

It is very difficult for any American, especially those of us who are gunowners, to take seriously the arguments about guns from foreigners whose closest experience with anything that go 'Boom' are holiday celebration fireworks. As for myself, I have literally stood next to two B61 free fall nuclear bombs when I was on Victor Alert duty back in the 1980s. So it is very hard for me to take seriously the casual comments about 'nuking' from the Chinese camp in this forum.

Too bad the Chinese members usually go out of their boundaries and ended up looking like fools.

So far, we have not seen anything new from the PLA regarding warfare in general, let alone specifics.
Unfortunately, I have seen you have wandered into discussions that you have neither experience nor knowledge, though I will admit that you are knowledgeable especially in certain fields.
Just state your points, don't keep harping on others lack of experience or knowledge as your main points of argument.

Did you really think that guy who couldn't spell "sergeant" correctly as a fraud and not a typo.
Sometimes, I cannot spell it correctly as well, like "sargent".

I find Chinese members discourse here generally interesting, knowledgeable, nothing that we would classify as foolish.
I don't think we need to be gun owners to make arguments about guns.
Frankly nothing special about firing a gun except that they won't know the fun of it.
Chinese graduates also go through some kind of military training.
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He can't learn history because it's written in Chinese. Even越 history is written in Chinese
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If he bother to read the East Asian history, he should know better that Japan was twice saved by typhoon from Mongol invasions. Japanese was never undefeatable as he claimed, their army and navy was well "proven" in the war between China and Japan, which is well recorded in the history. What made the Japanese believe they were impossible to invade, was not the strength of their army but the kamikaze that would help them to wipe out the invader's ships. The only shine time of Japan were after the first Sino-Japanese war until the end of WW2, and their economic miracle in the post WW2 period. His hatred makes him biased toward any chinese related issues and views thing not based on facts.
 
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Have military experience does not mean he get to use all types of weapons and most of the time only once or twice during his officer training.

There is also no means to verify the credentials of members here.
So lets just have an enjoyable debate, even a ridiculous one, based on arguments and verifiable facts.
For example, I have no training on submarines, but I still engage in the debate on the China semi submersible vessel with whatever limited knowledge I have.
I have also come to realize many here don't have military experience but they are able to ferret out relevant new information.
Sometimes experience will constrict you to old and doggy methods of doing things when new and more efficient methods have been found and in use.
Let's not oversell the experience advantage.

https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-experience-trap
Despite their experiences with complex projects, the veteran managers do not meaningfully improve the mental models they have formed in simpler contexts.

https://knowledge.insead.edu/leadership-management/talent-management/the-experience-trap-2002
In their research, they found that experienced managers applied the wrong lessons, didn’t link the right lessons with outcomes or were given erroneous objectives or unhelpful feedback. It all adds up to extra problems in project management.
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The problem is, for him, this is not a weapon training issue, nor even what kind of weapon we are talking about, he (Dragon) already said the Greek Fire is a Flamethrower, he is already attested to that facts, he wasn't denying Greek Fire is a flamethrower. And his point is, Flamethrower is not a Firearms.

I don't need to be a firearms expert to say Flamethrower is a Firearms, because it was, upon the world, regulated by Firearms Licenses, in Hong Kong, his native country, flamethrower is a firearms, thus, you will need to apply for a firearms permits to have one, in Australia, Flamethrower is a Firearms, and you will need a Cat R (Restricted) Firearms permit to own one, in UK, Flamethrower is under Firearms Acts 1986 Section 5.1B, which again, you will need to have a firearms permit to have one. In the US, Flamethrower (not commercial flamethrower) that discharge gas or liquid, is a Title 2 Firearms, you will need BATF Federal Firearms License to have one.

The problem for Dragon, is that while he is accusing me of try to debate the sematic, in fact, he is the one that being sematic, I don't need to know how to use a flamethrower to know that is a firearms, because that is what it categorized and restricted for, but he (Dragon) keepo saying Flamethrower is neither a gun or firearms, And he keep using the word I said (And in fact he didn't quote the whole thing)

Under Oxford Dictionary, a gun is defined as a weapon that discharge Bullet, Shell and OTHER MISSILE with explosive force, the jet stream of gasoline or solid fuel in a flamethrower is a missile, as it is a missile of noxious gas, hence that is the reason why a flamethrower is a firearms.

He is arguing for the sake of argue, I just did the same with him, our argument ended 15 post ago, the post when I said gunpowder only improve firearms, guns and artilleries . He just keep saying the same thing over and over again, *Which ironically, is what he accusing me of doing*, well, basically and frankly, I was bored and a bit drunk last night.

The boundaries of your experience SHOULD dictate the scope and depth of your arguments. At least wise people would act that way.

For example...I have never lived in China, so I stay out of Chinese politics at all levels. I may criticize the Chinese GOVERNMENT at times regarding policies, especially if affects US, but I do not engage the Chinese members about the "who's who" of Chinese politics. Get it ?

As for experience verification, the contents of one's comments are often accurate enough indicators of one's claimed experience. If said experience is easy enough to fake, this place would be crawling with military members of every country. Instead, there are commonalities to all armed forces of every country that a fraud would be exposed in time. I have done it myself twice on this forum already. One fraud was an American who claimed US Army experience as a lieutenant but the guy could not spell 'sergeant' correctly. Another fraud was a Indonesian who claimed 'aviation experience' but could not tell me his specialty.

It is very difficult for any American, especially those of us who are gunowners, to take seriously the arguments about guns from foreigners whose closest experience with anything that go 'Boom' are holiday celebration fireworks. As for myself, I have literally stood next to two B61 free fall nuclear bombs when I was on Victor Alert duty back in the 1980s. So it is very hard for me to take seriously the casual comments about 'nuking' from the Chinese camp in this forum.

Too bad the Chinese members usually go out of their boundaries and ended up looking like fools.


So far, we have not seen anything new from the PLA regarding warfare in general, let alone specifics.

I don't really care about these people to begin with, I don't generally use the phase (I am (or was) a soldier and I must be right) but sometime, these people are quite curiously think their point is right, even if they weren't actually backed up with anything, and apparently have no knowledge to the factor.

There are this guy on the other post, I told him how it was to attack a hilltop position (Ala Doklam standoff) for me, I don't really care whether or not it was the Chinese, Indian or Pakistani on that mountain, I answer him as if some one show me the maps and ask me to assault that mountain myself, I lay out my tactical consideration, the geographical factoring and the defence/attack ratio. All these, because I said it will take me at least 5 times the assaulting troop to clear the mountain, and then some guy guy comes in (supposedly he is an American, or he called himself one) and say I know shit about Mountain warfare and it's my arrogance that lost the mountain war in Afghanistan.) Strange, considering more than half of the Afghanistan is flatland and only the eastern side is mountain area, how a war lost there because of mountain warfare??

Anyway. You cannot buy experience, and yes, even at the same corps, you probably not going to know everything, like me, I am a Cavalryman and Counter-Intelligence, I know the square root of jack shit about how to operate a Patriot defence system, I can read menu that pass thru my desk, but I have no idea on how that work, but still the stuff that I know, I know very well, you have to, because that is your job.

And when some people supposedly know nothing about this and keep BSing you about this, this is just sad,,,,
 
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