Why waning powers meddle in Asian affairs

[gambit]

And facts on the ground speak otherwise.

Absolutely. The facts says other countries worked just fine. Of both ME ventures, the US failed. Must be the water.

 

[jhungary]

And facts on the ground speak otherwise. Today, we don't have any terror camps, training camps etc. Lawless regions are fully under army control. We take foreign dignitaries into these areas to give them first hand experience of situation on the ground. And we are giving lessons to others in how to deal with insurgencies. What is happening, is that our competence is now highlighting American incompetence. Too bad for you, but please don't point fingers at us.

So, you show the world how you deal with insurgency by NOT CARING?? lol

Would not call you success when

A.) Your country is still being attack by Terrorist
B.) Your country contribute NOTHING toward regional security.

Was the American that much "Incompetent" Maybe, or Maybe Not, depends on your definition of "Incompetent", fact, and I mean fact, not wishful thinking. Is that US have not been attacked since, and Taliban was dethrone in Afghanistan, OBL was killed in a raid in Pakistan, the American killed almost all Afghan old Taliban and you know who replace these Taliban honcho? TTP from Pakistan.

On the other hand, Pakistan still under the problem from TTP. And terror threat is a Daily occurrence in Pakistan. Of course, you can blow sunshine on your arse and pretend everything is A-OK, but there are not a single year, your own countrymen wasn't dying from Terrorist Attack.

 

[CriticalThought]

So, you show the world how you deal with insurgency by NOT CARING?? lol

Would not call you success when

A.) Your country is still being attack by Terrorist
B.) Your country contribute NOTHING toward regional security.

Was the American that much "Incompetent" Maybe, or Maybe Not, depends on your definition of "Incompetent", fact, and I mean fact, not wishful thinking. Is that US have not been attacked since, and Taliban was dethrone in Afghanistan, OBL was killed in a raid in Pakistan, the American killed almost all Afghan old Taliban and you know who replace these Taliban honcho? TTP from Pakistan.

On the other hand, Pakistan still under the problem from TTP. And terror threat is a Daily occurrence in Pakistan. Of course, you can blow sunshine on your arse and pretend everything is A-OK, but there are no a single year, your own countrymen wasn't dying from Terrorist Attack.

FACT: We are being attacked by RAW backed elements based in Afghanistan. As long as Indians continue subversive activities we will have to suffer this threat. Which actually means you are complicit in spreading terrorism from Xinjiang to Baluchistan.

And that attack on that gay club. It was done by an Afghan who was fed up with the activities of American soldiers in his country. Your government happily brushed it under the rug because it doesn't suit the fairy tales they are spinning.

It is your incompetence because you are neck deep in quagmire. Your own officials are saying if we leave now we will go back to 9/11. Mullah Omar passed away in a natural death. After 16 years of war, obviously a new generation will take over. But, you have no end in sight. Your own officials spent months in discussion. The finest brains in the world kept banging heads on a wall for months and at the end all you can do is point fingers at Pakistan and get India to perform further subversive activities.

Oh, and let's not forget about the corrupt Afghan government comprising former war lords who are still committing crimes under the auspices of American backed democracy. And the failed Afghan army half of which doesn't report to duty.

It takes a lot of pain killers to think you have achieved any success in Afghanistan.

 

[jhungary]

FACT: We are being attacked by RAW backed elements based in Afghanistan. As long as Indians continue subversive activities we will have to suffer this threat. Which actually means you are complicit in spreading terrorism from Xinjiang to Baluchistan.

FACT, RAW is an terrorist group as per your country, which mean you FAILED to prevent an terrorist attack ON YOUR OWN SOIL, which mean you failed.

Try to pin it on a different terrorist group does not mean you did not fail.

And that attack on that gay club. It was done by an Afghan who was fed up with the activities of American soldiers in his country. Your government happily brushed it under the rug because it doesn't suit the fairy tales they are spinning.

So? does that mean it does not count?

It is your incompetence because you are neck deep in quagmire. Your own officials are saying if we leave now we will go back to 9/11. Mullah Omar passed away in a natural death. After 16 years of war, obviously a new generation will take over. But, you have no end in sight. Your own officials spent months in discussion. The finest brains in the world kept banging heads on a wall for months and at the end all you can do is point fingers at Pakistan and get India to perform further subversive activities.

lol, again, I am not going to argue what is "Incompetent" everyone have their own standard, either your standard is so high it can never be achieve or you do not understand the meaning of Incompetent. But if our official say "If we leave now, we will go back to 9/11" that mean we are doing stuff in the right direction over in Afghanistan, because if we leave now, it fall apart.

Again, it is not about US pointing finger to Pakistan, it's about your own people pointing finger on your own government. Your people not doing enough to Terrorist group operating within Pakistan, of course you can always cry foul and pin it on India, US or any imaginable country there are in the world, but does that solve any question? Talk about pointing finger, aren't you pointing the finger back at us at the end?

Oh, and let's not forget about the corrupt Afghan government comprising former war lords who are still committing crimes under the auspices of American backed democracy. And the failed Afghan army half of which doesn't report to duty.

Unless we established Afghan government as our 51st State, the American have no authority on Afghan government. I don't know what and why you think they committed crime under the auspice of American backed Democracy, we kick the Taliban out, what ever happened in their country is their business, it is Afghanistan, not a state in US, they don't need to listen to what we have to say. And we don't really care about them anyway, we just care about one guy, OBL, and in the end, he is hiding in Pakistan. W

It takes a lot of pain killers to think you have achieved any success in Afghanistan.

What exactly is success in Afghanistan? It was not our country, we don't particular want to take charge of that country and Afghanistan has no resource for us to exploit, so to say US fail their mission in Afghanistan, you need to tell me what is it the US want in Afghanistan to begin with?

There are nothing we want in Afghanistan, except for 1 man, and we got him, that, alone is a success. What else is there to achieve? Take over the opium market?

Again, we have no responsibility to prop up the afghan government, we just want to catch OBL, which , again, turns out to be in Pakistan.

 

[TaiShang]

The US invasions/interventions, and (subsequent) failures in, of weak nations of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and the likes has thought in Asia several quick lessons:

1. You need to ensure, at least, mutual deterrence to keep the US at bay.

The election of a crazy man as the president of a country which used nuclear weapons twice has reinforced the conviction. Crazy Trump Un's causal tweets on nuclear retaliation as if it is a walk in the park have not helped, either, to reverse the conviction.

2. You can actually beat the US because they are only good at fighting the weak. Their bravado is not supported by real world result.

Russia has made the US look extremely weak and incoherent in Syria and Ukraine.

China has done it in the SCS (Duterte publicly humiliating Obama) and Korean Peninsula (Kim's in-your-face nuclear shows and US threats).

If meddling in Middle Eastern affairs have not ended well for the US (except the bloodshed it caused), it will never end well in East Asia.

US minions will suffer but this would be the required sacrifice the US would like to make. Now, with Kim's toys, the US itself has become vulnerable.

This is where the cookie of US bravado crumbles. It would've been easy to watch Koreans kill each other but how about the entire US west coast going down in flames.

Looks like the US and DPRK are meant for each other, although DPRK is the lesser of the two evils here.

 

[terranMarine]

The four incidents plagued the USN this year is just tip of the iceberg. There has always been this misconception that the US is the sole super power for a long time YET the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria again and again displayed the incompetence of the US Forces. These countries are in ruins, many people have died and are still dying every single day, battles are still going on and never seem to end. Will the US draw any lessons from the Vietnam War? Know when to give up that is, just end the ongoing wars, pack the bags and head back home. Or will the US stubbornly continue with more barbaric killings? As if that weren't enough, the US is busy playing containment games with China and Russia. To me the US is a waning power trying to hold on to this false impression as the sole global power. Isn't it time for the American people starting a fresh new revolt against the government, overthrow the devil and make place for the Christian state once again.

 

[TaiShang]

The four incidents plagued the USN this year is just tip of the iceberg. There has always been this misconception that the US is the sole super power for a long time YET the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria again and again displayed the incompetence of the US Forces. These countries are in ruins, many people have died and are still dying every single day, battles are still going on and never seem to end. Will the US draw any lessons from the Vietnam War? Know when to give up that is, just end the ongoing wars, pack the bags and head back home. Or will the US stubbornly continue with more barbaric killings? As if that weren't enough, the US is busy playing containment games with China and Russia. To me the US is a waning power trying to hold on to this false impression as the sole global power. Isn't it time for the American people starting a fresh new revolt against the government, overthrow the devil and make place for the Christian state once again.

Last one and a half decades has been blissful for East Asia which has been enjoying the long peace. Particularly for China, the irresponsible waste of US energy has been a strategic gain. The negative energy the US has created over the past two decades has been confronted with the positive energy China-led developmentalism has generated.

China has taken Northeast Asian developmental state and made a global discourse out of it. Essentially, this is what the Beijing Consensus is.

Trump has-been the pinnacle of the US decline in every aspect, but, most importantly, in the aspect of human quality.

What we need is now to extend the ongoing long peace in Asia. And this is exactly what the West attempts to disturb. Great and glad to see that China's government is acutely aware of it. Hence it has not fallen into the trap set up by the 2012 superpower.

 

[Brainsucker]

I think I choose to believe in what Putin said about NK. They are cornered. And they have learned about what happen to Saddam Husein and Kadaffi when they put down their weapon of mass destruction. So, they won't taking out their nuclear weapon program and give up their nuclear program.

Just think, if you're cornered and has no option to life? What will you do? Do you still care about the life of million people around the Korea Peninsula? Do you care about the end of the world? Nope. Go to hell with all humanity crap that thrown by your enemy. Just bring millions of your enemy's people to die with you. Even better if you can bring the end of the world with it.

I think the right way to solve the NK crisis is actually to give them an opportunity to life, not corner them to an extend that they will do whatever they wants in order to survive. Even it's mouse, it will bite when you corner it.

 

[bbccdd1470]

I think I choose to believe in what Putin said about NK. They are cornered. And they have learned about what happen to Saddam Husein and Kadaffi when they put down their weapon of mass destruction. So, they won't taking out their nuclear weapon program and give up their nuclear program.

Just think, if you're cornered and has no option to life? What will you do? Do you still care about the life of million people around the Korea Peninsula? Do you care about the end of the world? Nope. Go to hell with all humanity crap that thrown by your enemy. Just bring millions of your enemy's people to die with you. Even better if you can bring the end of the world with it.

I think the right way to solve the NK crisis is actually to give them an opportunity to life, not corner them to an extend that they will do whatever they wants in order to survive. Even it's mouse, it will bite when you corner it.

I agree with most of the points, except there are too late to solve this Nuclear crisis because Kim will never give up his N.weapons. The best time to solve this crisis was before the US invasion of Iraq, and their first successful Nuclear test. The Six party talk that China proposes now can only dis-escalate the tension in NE.Asia and avoid a nuclear war between US and NK.

 

[TaiShang]

I agree with most of the points, except there are too late to solve this Nuclear crisis because Kim will never give up his N.weapons. The best time to solve this crisis was before the US invasion of Iraq, and their first successful Nuclear test. The Six party talk that China proposes now can only dis-escalate the tension in NE.Asia and avoid a nuclear war between US and NK.

During the six party talks in theaters of early Bush administration, there was a point, actually, DPRK halted its nuclear program. That was the time South Korea initiated Sunshine policy. Yet, Bush government ignored the agreement and walked over its commitments such as not threatening DPRK with military exercises.

The fault rests entirely on the US, which is more dangerous than the DPRK.

It is simple and clear. The US won't allow normalization in the Korean Peninsula on its own volition.