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As everyone knows, the only way to stop the slaughter in Syria is for the US and its allies to work with President Assad – and to stop worrying about what looks good

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The result of American and British grandstanding at the UN this week – seeing who can be ruder about Assad – is that Vladimir Putin has gathered ever more cards to his pack. Photograph: Xinhua/Landov/Barcroft Media

Putin is right. Everyone knows Putin is right, that the only way forward in Syria, if not to eternal slaughter, is via the established government of Bashar al-Assad and his Lebanese and Iranian allies.

That is the realpolitik. That is what pragmatism dictates. In the secure west, foreign policy has long been a branch of domestic politics, with added sermonising. “What to do”, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, even Ukraine, has been dictated not by what might work but what looks good. The megaphone is mightier than the brain.

The result of American and British grandstanding at the UN this week – seeing who can be ruder about Assad – is that Vladimir Putin has gathered ever more cards to his pack. Putin has already performed the two primary duties of a Russian leader, bringing stability and pride. He now faces turbulent Russian minorities across his European frontier and a serious menace from Muslim states to his south. He is perforce becoming a player on a wider stage. He has read Iran, India and Syria correctly. He is no fool.

On a visit to London last June, the veteran diplomat Henry Kissinger pleaded with his audience to see Russia as an ally, not an enemy, against Muslim fundamentalism. Russia and the west shared a civilisation and long-term interests, he said. They had to work as one. It is easy for western democracies, centuries in the making, to sneer at Russia’s imperfections and at Putin’s cynical antics in Ukraine. But the idea that economic sanctions were going to change Moscow’s mind or weaken its kleptocracy was idiotic.

Syria is experiencing the most ghastly anarchy anywhere on earth. If ever there were a case for humanitarian “troops on the ground” it must be here. Those who seek this end cannot pick and choose their merchants of atrocity. All sides in war kill innocent people, including western addicts of air bombing (such as Hilary Benn at the Labour party conference yesterday). Russia has accepted that the forcible toppling of Assad – which Britain has predicted since 2011 – is not a realistic path to peace. If he is to go, it will be after his enemies have been driven back, not before.

The true nature of the west’s commitment in Syria was revealed in Barack Obama’s remark to the UN that “because alternatives are surely worse” is no reason to support tyrants. In other words, American feelgood is more important than Syrian lives. That cosy maxim has guided western policy in the region for over a decade. It has been a disaster. If we have nothing more intelligent to say on Syria, we should listen to Putin. He has.

Why the west should listen to Putin on Syria | Simon Jenkins | Comment is free | The Guardian
 
Putin is only going to do what serves Russia's interests. He is not doing anything for any other reason. Just like everyone else in the region.
 
LOL. Preferring one side over any other is just a measure of personal bias, not that anyone is doing anything different. :D
 
And does anyone think Russia will not be killing people in Syria?
 
My guess is, they are going to give Putin a heavy blow in Syria. Russia is gathering forces in southern Syria without any direct supply line.
 
A big thanks to everyone for turning Syria into another sh!thole.
Special thanks to the GCC brothers, the Americans and the Iranians.

Peace was getting boring anyways, right?
 
My guess is, they are going to give Putin a heavy blow in Syria. Russia is gathering forces in southern Syria without any direct supply line.

They do have a naval base in Syria, and it is not that far from the Black Sea.
 
They do have a naval base in Syria, and it is not that far from the Black Sea.
But they have to pass through Turkish waters, in other words NATO area. More suspicious, that they are allowing this heavy Russian military transport.
In peace times, yes it doesn't matter that Russian have base in Syria, but in case of any conflict they can't pass through Turkish region.
 
But they have to pass through Turkish waters, in other words NATO area. More suspicious, that they are allowing this heavy Russian military transport.
In peace times, yes it doesn't matter that Russian have base in Syria, but in case of any conflict they can't pass through Turkish region.

I am sure that the Russians will be able to support their plans in Syria from a logistical standpoint quite easily.
 
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I am sure that the Russians will be able to support their plans in Syria from a logistical standpoint quit easily.
Obviously they are moving with all calculations. Though their logistic calculator didn't work good in Afghanistan, now they must have learned good lessons.
Alternate route is through Iran and Iraq, which is too lengthy.
Or may be it's bear's last stand on hind legs, to show full height, just before running away.
 
But they have to pass through Turkish waters, in other words NATO area. More suspicious, that they are allowing this heavy Russian military transport.
In peace times, yes it doesn't matter that Russian have base in Syria, but in case of any conflict they can't pass through Turkish region.

Wrong.

Read this: Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only way for Turkey to be able to stop Russia from trespassing Turkish waters is if Turkey officially declares war on Russia. And we all know what will happen to Turkey if it does that.

Russia can maintain its logistic routes. Turkey can not do anything about it.
 
Wrong.

Read this: Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only way for Turkey to be able to stop Russia from trespassing Turkish waters is if Turkey officially declares war on Russia. And we all know what will happen to Turkey if it does that.

Russia can maintain its logistic routes. Turkey can not do anything about it.

War between Russian and Turkey is war between NATO and Russia. Of course both sides don't want that.
 
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