Why The Persians Should Be The Good Guys In '300' - Hilarious Helmet History #1

[shahbaz baig]

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Alaxander the great also went on a road trip from Greece and still Pakistan was intact and remained in his empire as well

So technically speaking regions we call Pakistan were at one point part of Persian Empire then Alexander's Greek Empire (which obviously was short lived after his death)

Some people claim that the Kalash people are some of the remenants of Soldiers that came with Alexander the great and they were left over and later just forgot to go back
One of tribes in Pakistan

Member of Pakistan's ancient tribes perhaps who may be connected to the soldiers / forces that came with Mecedonian Alexander the great. In old times when a region was won, the Victor Commander would leave his subordinate incharge of region and then either return home or continue journey to next city after a resting period

The bigger point I wanted to make is that Pakistan/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Egypt/Palestine/Turkey all have shared universal borders with multiple empires in past so it was common they were all citizen of same empire (same passport etc)

i loved to know the old history specially if it belong to Pakistan. Now it's quite understandable to me that almost whole territory of Pakistan was governed by Persians Empire (550 BC). Persians humbly allowed other religions and mostly modest Muslims to grow in Pakistan/Afghanistan territory, Jewish 10th forgotten tribe also traveled in Pakistan/Afghanistan and accepted Islam in our territory. After that Alexander the Great invaded Persia & Persian Empire was collapsed, Alexander also captured Indian Land But latter gifted to Ambhi (vedantist) but under Alexander rule. after the death of Alexander many nation formed newly territories including Afghanistan and India formed the newly territories but India was merged with Pakistan (part of Persian Empire) and this region was called Indus Civilization. because Alexander Gifted to vedantist so Raja Dahir (663 – 712 AD) Hindu ruled on majority Persian land (Pakistan Majority of Persian then vedantist) along with their own Indian Land (Baharat). after that Arab Leader Mohammad Bin Qasim conquered from Sindh (711 AD) and finally got victory within a year. and we Pakistani are being taught about Mohammad Bin Qasim era.

We should teach the whole history about our land so that we can understand our territory better.
here i got three points.
1. Our ancestor have been living in our territory (Pakistan) before Indus Civilization was formed which mainly contain Afghanistan-Pakistan-India. but the part of Persian Empire Afghanistan & Pakistan accepted the Islam.
2. we mainly/mostly belong to almost all phenotype and genotype except few African and Chinese (all form)
3. A person who lived near Indus valley (mostly Muslims) Geographically was called Indians/Hindu due to Raja Dahir Empire which was actual Pakistan on the other side it was Baharat the actual Land for vedantist.

But it got me confuse here that why Indians linked Hindu name with Religion. because Hindu means a person who live near Indus valley which is Pakistan now, and Pakistan Root was Persia not bharat. so India should be called Vedantist rather then Hindu, Can you highlight some your opinion regarding my this confusing ?

@SOHEIL @Azadkashmir @SrNair

 

[ValerioAurelius]

If you're from the north that makes you even more of a lombard. That's like a slav pretending to be greeks.

Italians =/= Roman.

Nonsense, since gentic studies show we are genetic identical to romans. There was little to no influx of foreighners. The Alps always prevented big movements of people.

 

[Gufi]

In the end, the result is that our Empire became the greatest under the sun, still hailed today. While yours got destroyed, arabized and today gets used as prime example for evrything bad.

Glorification any any empire or insulting it depends on where you look at the empire from. At one time the empires you denounce were great, at one time the roman empire was great. They all fell, and if one is as brash as to brush aside an empire then he has no knowledge of world history beyond being a blind defender of one empire.

Caesar

The names you took, he brought about the end of the republic and weakened the senate and was killed by Romans.

Marcus Aurelius

Let weak people rule after him even though he knew him to be incompetent. Did not have any vision to secure his victories against the Goths.

Hadrian

Hid behind a wall, was very religiously intolerant...

Hopefully u get where I am going with this... I could go into much more details and find faults with the empire at large, its practices, and its follies and call it a fallen one.
As far as the Roman empire is concerned, it fell long ago replaced by many different ones.

 

[Winchester]

Lombard? I´m from Tuscany. I´m Etruskian We are not just inheritor but also the father of Rome.

Didn't the Romans turn on you, destroyed your city, killed all of your men and enslaved your women and children?

 

[drmeson]

Folks remember something here. Being an Iranian is not equal to being Persian. Persian people are just one type of grand Iranic family. They are famous because of their ancient royalty otherwise Iranic family includes persians, kurds, pashtuns, tajik, Lurs, baloch, manzandaranai, bakhtiari, ossetian, Irani turks etc. Iran as a country is just one member of grand Iranic family.

As for Pakistan's Iranic heritage, Pakistan is geographically half iranic and I believe population wise thick minority is also iranic as well (Pashtuns and baloch).

here are some maps of Iranic Empires. If noticed, half of what is now pakistan has always been iranic by heritage and descent (Not persian). Most of these empires have been dominated by Persians, Kurds, Azeri and Turkmen Turks and Persianized Turko-Mongols.

Medes

Achamenied

Parthian

Sassanid

Saffarid

Samanid

Seljuq

Ghaznavid

Timurid

Saffavid

Hotak

Afshari

Qajar

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

i loved to know the old history specially if it belong to Pakistan. Now it's quite understandable to me that almost whole territory of Pakistan was governed by Persians Empire (550 BC). Persians humbly allowed other religions and mostly modest Muslims to grow in Pakistan/Afghanistan territory, Jewish 10th forgotten tribe also traveled in Pakistan/Afghanistan and accepted Islam in our territory. After that Alexander the Great invaded Persia & Persian Empire was collapsed, Alexander also captured Indian Land But latter gifted to Ambhi (vedantist) but under Alexander rule. after the death of Alexander many nation formed newly territories including Afghanistan and India formed the newly territories but India was merged with Pakistan (part of Persian Empire) and this region was called Indus Civilization. because Alexander Gifted to vedantist so Raja Dahir (663 – 712 AD) Hindu ruled on majority Persian land (Pakistan Majority of Persian then vedantist) along with their own Indian Land (Baharat). after that Arab Leader Mohammad Bin Qasim conquered from Sindh (711 AD) and finally got victory within a year. and we Pakistani are being taught about Mohammad Bin Qasim era.

We should teach the whole history about our land so that we can understand our territory better.
here i got three points.
1. Our ancestor have been living in our territory (Pakistan) before Indus Civilization was formed which mainly contain Afghanistan-Pakistan-India. but the part of Persian Empire Afghanistan & Pakistan accepted the Islam.
2. we mainly/mostly belong to almost all phenotype and genotype except few African and Chinese (all form)
3. A person who lived near Indus valley (mostly Muslims) Geographically was called Indians/Hindu due to Raja Dahir Empire which was actual Pakistan on the other side it was Baharat the actual Land for vedantist.

But it got me confuse here that why Indians linked Hindu name with Religion. because Hindu means a person who live near Indus valley which is Pakistan now, and Pakistan Root was Persia not bharat. so India should be called Vedantist rather then Hindu, Can you highlight some your opinion regarding my this confusing ?

@SOHEIL @Azadkashmir @SrNair

I think the real history really is not just arrival of Mohammad Bin Qasim, but the real history is who were the people mosly living in area before who formed the basis for population who Mohammad Bin Qasim ruled

From cultural point of view , Pakistan (As we know it today) sharing border with Persian Empire or Later the Greek Empire is also part of the heritage.

Just as for example Egyptians still relate to the Pyramids.

• It is quite clear that the residents of Pakistan were in past part of Persian domain and it makes sense as from overall appearance and food and culture prespespective alot of similarities exist. However our food have drastically chaneged to more spicier food

The text books we have too much emphasis on Mohammad Bin Qasim however he was merely introducing a new idealogy into area , it does not changes the fact the people of reagion still may have had connection to persian empire.

The Arab area obviously was (empty zone due to it being 100% desert so it was irrelevant) for most part of history. Some population around the red sea etc but it is well understood that arab lands were was harsh and difficult to live

Population normally centered around areas with Rivers / Farming and Vegetation

And later I do want to mention when Muslims did control the Persian areas the idealogies intermixed to great deal however the overall geographical aspect of regions remained same to great degree.

It was only in last 40-70 years after discovery of Oil that the fortunes of GCC changed as water was available for farming etc

Arrival of Mohamamad Bin Qasim was a phase that the region went thru

So it technically enabled us to have shared connection to the Empire Mr Qasim also represented

Ummayad Reign was certainly an Epic Empire which had it's outreach again into Pakistan
so again the regions of Pakistan were enabled to be enriched with new cultural thoughts

 

[SALMAN F]

This movie is anti muslim rather than anti iranian

 

[One-Above-All]

Cyrus cylinder wasn't a propaganda hoax. What he said in that cylinder is conformed in several Hebrew sources. It's also very naive to think that it was used as a propaganda tool, bearing in mind that one clay cylinder couldn't make a difference in people's mind in a mass scale level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Zion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ezra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra–Nehemiah

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Cyrus cylinder wasn't a propaganda hoax. What he said in that cylinder is conformed in several Hebrew sources. It's also very naive to think that it was used as a propaganda tool, bearing in mind that one clay cylinder couldn't make a difference in people's mind in a mass scale level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Zion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ezra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra–Nehemiah

lol @ hebrew scources. He released the jews for propaganda reasons. Meanwhile killed babylonian priests en mass.

Palestianians celebrate Hitler as hero. I guess if we go by that standard he was a hero?

No oriental ruler ever was in any way positive. There is zero individualism in oriental history and thats the problem. Because of that philosophy or science never developed there.

Science and reasoing are things that only exist in Greece and Roman history and to a degree in China.

When we compare art this becomes even more evident:

Persian statues:

Its plain and simple clumsy. Like a block. There is no style and no movement.

If we compare with a roman statue:

The interesting question is why the persian art lacks that quality? I think evry human being can be able to make awesome art. Its often the culture that prevents them from doing so.

So why was persian art so simplistic? As a roman i would want a statue from me that looks like me, and not some clumsy clay shit.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Nonsense, since gentic studies show we are genetic identical to romans. There was little to no influx of foreighners. The Alps always prevented big movements of people.

That didn't stop Hannibal from mauling the roman with his elephants. Fact is the Lombards mass migrated to italy & displaced the natives just like their Saxon brother did to england. Today italian have little to no ties with the roman. The only thing that makes you different from the macedonian(Bulgar Slav) is that there is no roman left to say otherwise.

Funny how a guy that study roman history forget this little fact.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

That didn't stop Hannibal from mauling the roman with his elephants. Fact is the Lombards mass migrated to italy & displaced the natives just like their Saxon brother did to england. Today italian have little to no ties with the roman. The only thing that makes you different from the macedonian(Bulgar Slav) is that there is no roman left to say otherwise.

Funny how a guy that study roman history forget this little fact.

And we mauled entire carthago. Look dude, if you want anger me bring up wars we lost and not wars where we lost one battle and then erased the enemy from the earth.

And no, Lombards did not mass migrate into Italy. Fact is, that their numbers were below 10.000 and there is virtually no genetic influx. The alps precvented any great genetic exchange

Again for you:

Molecular anthropology found no evidence of significant Northern geneflow into the Italian peninsula over the last 1500 years. On the other hand, the bulk of Italian ethnogenesis occurred prior to Germanic or non European invasions. Geneticists agree that no migrations other than the Greek and Balkan settlement in Southern Italy and Sicily had any substantial biological impact on Italians.[11][12]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3646727

Try again and underline your words with facts...typical oriental behavior. Throwing crap into the room and not base it with evidence. Your style may be good enough to impress in the oriental world. In Europe it does not. We have some scientific standards.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

And we mauled entire carthago. Look dude, if you want anger me bring up wars we lost and not wars where we lost one battle and then erased the enemy from the earth.

And no, Lombards did not mass migrate into Italy. Fact is, that their numbers were below 10.000 and there is virtually no genetic influx. The alps precvented any great genetic exchange

Again for you:

Molecular anthropology found no evidence of significant Northern geneflow into the Italian peninsula over the last 1500 years. On the other hand, the bulk of Italian ethnogenesis occurred prior to Germanic or non European invasions. Geneticists agree that no migrations other than the Greek and Balkan settlement in Southern Italy and Sicily had any substantial biological impact on Italians.[11][12]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3646727

Try again and underline your words with facts...typical oriental behavior. Throwing crap into the room and not base it with evidence. Your style may be good enough to impress in the oriental world. In Europe it does not. We have some scientific standards.

Northern italian have diluted R1b genes consistent with germanic tribes of the north compared to the more "pure genes" fron the south. Also the alps doesn't make it impossible to cross into italy. The centre & the north dna have 50% in common with the Germanic tribes.

Also accusing me of throwing crap & hoping it stick is kinda rich coming from you when you accuse the palestinian of "worshipping hitler." My shit at least stick somewhat.

Topic: The Persian invented paid maternity leave. That is why the Persian should be the good guy. (Koch 1992)

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Northern italian have diluted R1b genes consistent with germanic tribes of the north compared to the more "pure genes" fron the south. Also the alps doesn't make it impossible to cross into italy. The centre & the north dna have 50% in common with the Germanic tribes.

Also accusing me of throwing crap & hoping it stick is kinda rich coming from you when you accuse the palestinian of "worshipping hitler." My shit at least stick somewhat.

Topic: The Persian invented paid maternity leave. That is why the Persian should be the good guy. (Koch 1992)

I showed you that you posted bullshit. Northern italians have R1B since 12.000 years since the Ice mummy Otzi already shows the very same genetics as Nortehrn italians show today. As genetics show, the italian genome was stable since prehistoric times.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

I showed you that you posted bullshit. Northern italians have R1B since 12.000 years since the Ice mummy Otzi already shows the very same genetics as Nortehrn italians show today. As genetics show, the italian genome was stable since prehistoric times.

The hell you talking about? Whether its during LGM or post LGM (or post roman colapse) experts alike believe that there's a lot of group in migrating or just moving along in italy. Yeah sure the mountain might prevent a lot group from settling. But not everyone. In a book I read it stated that some italian even have J1semetic gene.

Mate the Lombards or other germanic tribes don't just disappear into thin air they got absorded into the italian gene pool.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

The hell you talking about? Whether its during LGM or post LGM (or post roman colapse) experts alike believe that there's a lot of group in migrating or just moving along in italy. Yeah sure the mountain might prevent a lot group from settling. But not everyone. In a book I read it stated that some italian even have J1semetic gene.

Mate the Lombards or other germanic tribes don't just disappear into thin air they got absorded into the italian gene pool.

As Thema study i showed you says, you talk bullshit. There ist Zero influence in our DNA.