Why The Persians Should Be The Good Guys In '300' - Hilarious Helmet History #1

[padamchen]

i don't precisely know what religion the magi practiced . some say they were simply jewish rabbits . anyhow this article was originally suggested by me , that jesus was a social phenomena of the time resulted from the struggle of parthians with romans .
the scythian thing is actually Very interesting if you're interested.

http://googleweblight.com/i?u=http:...2012/09/magi.html?m=1&grqid=Muv0BcAg&hl=en-IN

Cheers, Doc

 

[Pakistani E]

General equipment
strangely the helmet was there , and spear and sword

Seems like this was also popular in Persia and they had the money to afford such vehicles

Logistical challenges monitoring such large region may have led to it's failiure
Considering there were no phones, cell phones, internet or email to communicate
messages of king across regions

And of course Alexander the great also damaged the region's integrity by Greek/Persian wars

Alaxander the great also went on a road trip from Greece and still Pakistan was intact and remained in his empire as well

So technically speaking regions we call Pakistan were at one point part of Persian Empire then Alexander's Greek Empire (which obviously was short lived after his death)

Some people claim that the Kalash people are some of the remenants of Soldiers that came with Alexander the great and they were left over and later just forgot to go back
One of tribes in Pakistan

Member of Pakistan's ancient tribes perhaps who may be connected to the soldiers / forces that came with Mecedonian Alexander the great. In old times when a region was won, the Victor Commander would leave his subordinate incharge of region and then either return home or continue journey to next city after a resting period

The bigger point I wanted to make is that Pakistan/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Egypt/Palestine/Turkey all have shared universal borders with multiple empires in past so it was common they were all citizen of same empire (same passport etc)

The Kalasha have nothing to do with Greeks or Macedonians. They are the old indigenous people who migrated in to this region thousands of years ago. They are mostly related to other populations close by to them like the Nuristanis, Pamiris etc.

With all due respect, stop latching on to Greek and Macedonian propaganda.

On Topic: I never watched 300, precisely for it's portrayal of the Persians and glorification of fascist Spartans.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

The Parthian peace process and the birth of Jesus

https://democracy.blogactiv.eu/2015/12/17/the-parthian-peace-process-and-the-birth-of-jesus/


Is there any event equivalent in history to Europe’s extraordinary peace record? Europe is living in the longest peace in its known history. That peace was based on supranational principles and initiated by Robert Schuman after a lifetime’s work.

An amazing peace process took place two thousand years ago between two fighting superpowers. They divided the planet as much as the Soviet Union and the USA did in recent times. And conflict covered the exact area that is the source of today’s conflict in the Near and Middle East — Turkey, Israel, Syria, Iraq and Iran.

In the middle of the earth at the point of contact of these two superpowers lay Israel. It was conquered first by one power, the Roman Empire and then by the other, the Parthian Empire. Who won? Rome was humiliated. Its armies were decimated. It renounced any further attacks on the superpower of the East.

Then a peace treaty was forged. At this time and because of this peace, trade was boosted from the Far East to Gaul in the West. An era of prosperity allowed the Temple at Jerusalem to be rebuilt.



During this Augustan-Parthian peace, Jesus Christ was born at Bethlehem. Why have most Europeans not learned the facts behind this key event in Christian civilization? What did most people learn about the Parthian Empire at school or even university?

Yet every year many people send each other cards with Parthians on them. Who are they? The Magi! Why does the real identity of the Magi remain obscure to most people?





Early in the Middle Ages great confusion, not to say false propaganda, arose about the supposed three Magi who visited the infant Jesus in Bethlehem. First, it is important to go to the record itself in the New Testament (NT) and get the facts.

* There were not three Magi. The number is not specified. It is only stated that they brought three types of gifts, gold, frankincense and myrrh.
* The Magi came from the East. No names are mentioned.
* The event took place more than a year after the birth of Jesus as he is called a ‘toddler’ in Greek. That means he was about a year and a half old.
* No other children are mentioned which means that James, the brother of Jesus, was probably not yet born.
* The visit took place in Bethlehem. When Jesus was born, the David’s ancestral home no longer existed. Why? Because Herod the Great had destroyed all trace of the Davidic dynasty and the ‘castle’ of David there. James says in Acts 15, that the ‘Tabernacle of David had fallen down’. Herod did not hesitate to kill off his own sons and wives if he thought they would usurp him. It is therefore certain that he would wipe out any trace of a Davidic dynasty he could find.

The NT says that at the time of the Magi’s visit Joseph had a house there. How come? Joseph was of direct royal lineage. He had the temerity and obligation to register the lands of David as his own. The registration took place as the first one under Quirinus, governor of Syria. (He made two.) This coincided with the celebration of twenty-five years of Augustus’s reign and the 750th anniversary of the foundation of the city of Rome. (See Dr Ernest L Martin: The Star that astonished the World).

Augustus was proclaimed Pater Patriae, Father of the Fatherland. Prominent citizens were required to register their smaller fatherlands and acclaim allegiance to Caesar. Thus Joseph registered his right under Roman and Israelite laws as patriarch of the tribe of Judah. This was a very dangerous move as his life was at immediate risk by Herod. But Joseph also had protection under Roman law. Herod could not simply kill a Davidic son without Roman acquiescence. As James said, the ruins were prophesied by Amos to be rebuilt.

So why in the Middle Ages did the Magi become a source of controversy? Firstly, the Magi were not Christian or even Jewish as far as the ignorant scholars of the time could say. People asked: why did pagans come and worship the infant Jesus? Why did they come at all? How many were there? Why didn’t Herod kill them?

The answers are clear once we understand the dilemma faced by the Roman State Church founded under Constantine in the 300s CE. Constantine’s amalgam of paganism and Christianity replaced Rome’s ancient pantheon. The Roman Empire had its capital in Constantinople, today’s Istanbul.

The lasting shame of the Roman Empire is that it destroyed the kingdom of Judah, its capital Jerusalem and its Temple. The term ‘Magi’ relates to the rival super power of Rome, the Parthian Empire. It extended from the River Euphrates to India and modern Afghanistan. Parthians traded with the Far East. It was a feudal confederation of kingdoms, not a military dictatorship like Rome.







The Head of the Parthian Empire was called Arsaces, ‘King of kings’. A single dynasty had a succession of 30 Arsakoi kings. They ruled from 255 BCE for nearly half a millennium, more than any dynasty there before or since. The kings were selected, elected and sometimes rejected by a Council of Wisemen, priestly scientists. Its name? The Magi! (See Rawlinson’s Parthia or Steven M Collins: Parthia, Forgotten Ancient Super-power.) Rawlinson says that Parthia divided ‘with Rome … the sovereignty of the earth.’

There is good reason why Europeans are so ignorant about Rome’s super-power rival. The Magi again! The paradox became an intense political problem for the Roman Empire of Constantinople. Why? Because, although the ruling Arsakoi tribes of the Parthian Empire had migrated by then, the Roman Empire was still at war with the successor Sassanian Persian Empire.

It was excruciatingly painful for the priests of the Roman ‘Mother Church’ to explain why the Magi of Persia had worshiped the infant Jesus and the Roman Empire had destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. Parthia worshiped Jesus. Rome pillaged Jerusalem and destroyed the Jews. How could Romans justify a Christian heritage?

The Roman Mother Church therefore blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus although the crucifixion was conducted by the Roman soldiers, under Roman imperial authority and with Roman nails.

As for the Magi, they became non-persons. They were reduced to just three foreigners. But in reality the Magi helped govern Parthia. They performed a similar task to the Levitical priesthood for the Israelitish kings.

Were there three Magi or more? We can say with near certainty that there were not three but many thousands! The Parthians were highly mobile and had several capitals. They traveled in massive, opulent, oriental style. The general selected by King Orodes to fight the Roman invader Crassus arrived with two hundred litters for his concubines. A thousand camels carried his personal baggage. A body of ten thousand horsemen and slaves served his personal needs. The Magi, the resplendently rich Parthian kingmakers, would have come to Jerusalem in their thousands or not at all!

This is how Matthew’s gospel describes the scene:

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judah in the days of Herod the king,

BEHOLD! There came wise men (Magi) from the East to Jerusalem, saying:

‘Where is he that is born King of the Jews? … We are come to do homage to him.

When Herod heard this, he was troubled and all Jerusalem with him.

The word ‘troubled’ can better be translated ‘terrified’, ‘set in a tumult’ ‘consternated’.

Parthia had forged a peace treaty with Rome two decades earlier. This came after Roman legions had been grossly humiliated. In 55 BCE the avaricious Consul Crassus sought booty. Crassus, he of the saying ‘as rich as Crassus,’ was the powerful oligarch of Rome. Parthian king Orodes slaughtered his 40,000 strong legions. Presented with his severed head during a performance of the Euripides play ‘Bacchae’, Orodes filled its mouth with molten gold, mocking him to drink to his fill. In 40 BCE Parthia invaded Judea and deposed the Roman-selected high priest at the Temple and installed another, Antigonus. In 37 BCE Mark Antony invaded Parthia with a massive 16 legions of 100,000 men. They were decimated. He barely escaped with his life. In 34 Julius Caesar planned to attack Parthia. He was assassinated in Rome.

If in the next few days you hear people talking about ‘Three wise men’, you can tell them, ‘It’s time to wise up on the Parthian Magi!’

Today’s leaders need to remind themselves how this area of an amazing peace, became again the furnace of conflict.

Why does your text end exactly at the place where the roman counter strike started, crushed the parthian army, killed the parthian crown prince and took back all areas lost 3 years before and even larger ones?

Is there a special reason you dont mention it?

 

[Mian Babban]

Folks remember something here. Being an Iranian is not equal to being Persian. Persian people are just one type of grand Iranic family. They are famous because of their ancient royalty otherwise Iranic family includes persians, kurds, pashtuns, tajik, Lurs, baloch, manzandaranai, bakhtiari, ossetian, Irani turks etc. Iran as a country is just one member of grand Iranic family.

As for Pakistan's Iranic heritage, Pakistan is geographically half iranic and I believe population wise thick minority is also iranic as well (Pashtuns and baloch).

here are some maps of Iranic Empires. If noticed, half of what is now pakistan has always been iranic by heritage and descent (Not persian). Most of these empires have been dominated by Persians, Kurds, Azeri and Turkmen Turks and Persianized Turko-Mongols.

Medes

Achamenied

Parthian

Sassanid

Saffarid

Samanid

Seljuq

Ghaznavid

Timurid

Saffavid

Hotak

Afshari

Qajar

And Ghurid empire , to whom goes the credit of establishing Muslim rule over India

 

[drmeson]

And Ghurid empire , to whom goes the credit of establishing Muslim rule over India

Correct, Ghorids were most probably Tajiks.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Too understand 300 you must understand from which position it is told. From the spartan position. Its exactly how a spartan soldier would have told the story to hild family. For our ancestors persia was a degenerated, exotic empire. Faceless hordes.

In that way 300 is absolute realistic, because it simply tells the story from the european point of view.

 

[Mian Babban]

In that way 300 is absolute realistic, .

Its not realistic from any angle......its cartoonish and laughable

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Its not realistic from any angle......its cartoonish and laughable

Oh really? Did you ever read old greek stories about the persians? You would be amazed. Ayschlyos wrote that xerxes fucked his own daughter, whipped the sea because it did not follow his orders and sacrificed 1000 slaves at the ruins of Troy. The numbers of persian army are told with one million, which is impossible.

300 is exactly how persians were portraied in stories.