Why The Persians Should Be The Good Guys In '300' - Hilarious Helmet History #1

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well it seems the issue has always been that Persians / Iranians (as we call them know) had a prominent Economy. And that attracted interest from people who wanted to control the region. Due to naturally owning rich agricultural land , lush green gardens and controlling textile sector due to close ties with China in past. So Egypt/Persia had always been quite prominent countries due to trade importance of these two nations.

And the areas we call Pakistan were actually part of this civilization long long time ago as we know borders were quite low profile back in days

Judging from their textiles and life style it seems they were quite a rich society (this is more less a royal couple) as dipicted in images


Similar technology of crafting large monuments existed in the region similar to some other parts of world

Massive Palace

Can only imagine how big this was back in it's old days


So it is a bit shocking how Hollywood generally treats Iranains (or persian etc) from a very narrow point of view

For me at least the 300 movie was just nothing but a blatent filth throwing mixed with bias and sterio type

 

[zartosht]

Cyrus cylinder was a propaganda hoax.

its hard to take you seriously after this. At best it has received some modern dispute by certain scholars. though its still regarded as fact. the way you dismiss it shows only your bias.

Best example is egypt. The persians showed zero respect for egyptian culture. When Kambyses marched into memphis he went to the temple of Ptah and killed the holy Apis bull.

Persia took thousands of slaves in egypt. It was the main reason why the egyptians celebrated the greeks when they beat the persians out of egypt.

Egypt itself was a very proud empire before the Persians conquered her. being a very rich satrap at the time. Egypt was definitely exploited for the benefit of the empire. it is unsurprising that a lot Egyptians (especially past elite) would dislike Persian rule. That's why there were a couple of failed rebellions. And captives taken from those rebellions were taken as slaves reportedly/forced labour

but in no way was all of Egypt enslaved. and in no way can you find widespread industrial scale slavery in Persian history in anyway resembling the way rome for example took slaves.

The first thing Alexander did was visiting the Apis bull and showing his deepest respect

Xerxes was pure dirt. He destroyed Athens and later on tried to beg for forgiveness and wanted pay for the damages. Greece did not accept his blood money.

What leonidas and his men did was stopping this savage despot from entering Europe.

yes we get it. you don't like xerxes/Persians and love you alexander/greek brethren. I could personally care less as its your right to like whoever you like. but your personal opinions in no way change history.

slavery existed, but nothing resembling the scale it existed in other empires of their times.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

its hard to take you seriously after this. At best it has received some modern dispute by certain scholars. though its still regarded as fact. the way you dismiss it shows only your bias.



Egypt itself was a very proud empire before the Persians conquered her. being a very rich satrap at the time. Egypt was definitely exploited for the benefit of the empire. it is unsurprising that a lot Egyptians (especially past elite) would dislike Persian rule. That's why there were a couple of failed rebellions. And captives taken from those rebellions were taken as slaves reportedly/forced labour

but in no way was all of Egypt enslaved. and in no way can you find widespread industrial scale slavery in Persian history in anyway resembling the way rome for example took slaves.



yes we get it. you don't like xerxes/Persians and love you alexander/greek brethren. I could personally care less as its your right to like whoever you like. but your personal opinions in no way change history.

slavery existed, but nothing resembling the scale it existed in other empires of their times.

What you take serious is irrelevant. Reality counts

http://www.spiegel.de/international...-treasure-honors-persian-despot-a-566027.html

Falling for Ancient PropagandaUN Treasure Honors Persian Despot
A 2,500-year-old cuneiform document ceremoniously displayed in a glass case at the United Nations in New York is revered as an "ancient declaration of human rights." But in fact, argue researchers, the document was the work of a despot who had his enemies tortured.

Persia showed zero respect for others. Destroyed temples, took slaves and tortured masses. Cyrus was one of the worst tyrants of his time.

Hanspeter Schaudig, an Assyriologist at the University of Heidelberg in the southwestern Germany, says that he too would be hard-pressed to see the ancient king as a pioneer when it comes to equality and human dignity. Indeed, Cyrus demanded that his subjects kiss his feet.

The ruler was responsible for a 30-year war that consumed the Orient and forced millions to pay heavy taxes. Anyone who refused stood to have his nose and ears cut off. Those sentenced to death were buried up to their heads in sand, left to be finished off by the sun.

 

[zartosht]

and interestingly since were on the subject of slavery.

After Rome barely managed to put down spartacus' famous mass slave revolt that almost ended the empire.

it was infact us that avenged him.

when Spartacus' murderer and his sons marched a large roman army on parthia.

and were met at carrhae by the Iranian armys advance scout force of only 10 000 men led by the legendary spahbed Surena. who slaughtered the 40-50K roman army, captured many legionary eagles, killed marcus crassus and his sons, and took 10 000+ roman soldiers as slaves, dressing the one resembling crasus the most in womens clothes and having them pelted with tomatoes in the streets.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

and interestingly since were on the subject of slavery.

After Rome barely managed to put down spartacus' famous mass slave revolt that almost ended the empire.

it was infact us that avenged him.

when Spartacus' murderer and his sons marched a large roman army on us.

and were met at carrhae by the Iranian armys advance scout force of only 10 000 men led by the legendary spahbed Surena. who slaughtered the 40-50K roman army, captured many legionary eagles, killed marcus crassus and his sons, and took 10 000+ roman soldiers as slaves, dressing the one resembling crasus the most in womens clothes and having them pelted with tomatoes in the streets.

Legendary Surena? Never heared about him. Pelted with Tomatoes? Interesting, how is this possible? Tomatoes come from Peru. Did Surena have contact with the Inka 1500 years before America was found?

Dude you talk some shit

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

General equipment
strangely the helmet was there , and spear and sword

Seems like this was also popular in Persia and they had the money to afford such vehicles

Logistical challenges monitoring such large region may have led to it's failiure
Considering there were no phones, cell phones, internet or email to communicate
messages of king across regions

And of course Alexander the great also damaged the region's integrity by Greek/Persian wars

Alaxander the great also went on a road trip from Greece and still Pakistan was intact and remained in his empire as well

So technically speaking regions we call Pakistan were at one point part of Persian Empire then Alexander's Greek Empire (which obviously was short lived after his death)

Some people claim that the Kalash people are some of the remenants of Soldiers that came with Alexander the great and they were left over and later just forgot to go back
One of tribes in Pakistan

Member of Pakistan's ancient tribes perhaps who may be connected to the soldiers / forces that came with Mecedonian Alexander the great. In old times when a region was won, the Victor Commander would leave his subordinate incharge of region and then either return home or continue journey to next city after a resting period

The bigger point I wanted to make is that Pakistan/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Egypt/Palestine/Turkey all have shared universal borders with multiple empires in past so it was common they were all citizen of same empire (same passport etc)

 

[zartosht]

Legendary Surena? Never heared about him. Pelted with Tomatoes? Interesting, how is this possible? Tomatoes come from Peru. Did Surena have contact with the Inka 1500 years before America was found?

Dude you talk some shit

definitely the legendary general. of all people you should have heard about him.

for someone who wants to troll about history. you seem to know surprisingly little

read up on the battle of carrhae and come back.

And yes they did pelt him with rotten food. at least that's what the rumour mills say. They also say surena executed crassus by pouring melted gold in his throat.

but whatever rumours say, history is indisputable. perhaps you should read up before trolling

 

[ValerioAurelius]

definitely the legendary general. of all people you should have heard about him.

for someone who wants to troll about history. you seem to know surprisingly little

read up on the battle of carrhae and come back.

And yes they did pelt him with rotten food. at least that's what the rumour mills say. They also say surena executed crassus by pouring melted gold in his throat.

but whatever rumours say, history is indisputable. perhaps you should read up before trolling

I dont care about persian generals. I have zero interest in non roman history. Your history is worthless for me. I had to use wiki to see who that was. Saw he was kileld days after the battle.

Troll history? I showed you the article where the archaeologists say that Cyrus was a brutal despot.

I know the battle of Carrhae. What about it? It was the reason of the roman republic morphing into something far greater. Into the Roman Empire.

In the end, the result is that our Empire became the greatest under the sun, still hailed today. While yours got destroyed, arabized and today gets used as prime example for evrything bad.

Persia never had great men. No Caesar, No Marcus Aurelius. No Hadrian. No Cicero.
Its art was primitive as was its entire structure. Just looked at your persian statues...they look like a child made them. No class, no style. But i guess good enough for that area.

definitely the legendary general. of all people you should have heard about him.

for someone who wants to troll about history. you seem to know surprisingly little

read up on the battle of carrhae and come back.

And yes they did pelt him with rotten food. at least that's what the rumour mills say. They also say surena executed crassus by pouring melted gold in his throat.

but whatever rumours say, history is indisputable. perhaps you should read up before trolling

Oh and by teh way since you boast so much about that battle. Why do you forget the back game?

After we lost we send Publius Ventidius Bassus

His army crushed the persian army at the battle at Mount Gindarus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mount_Gindarus

And you know what was best? The crown prince of Persia, Prince Pacorus was found alive...Ventidius personally slayed him like a sheep.

It is said that the persian king Orodes II was so shocked from sadness for losing his son that he lost his will to live. He died shortly after.

Not one soldier of the eprsian army escaped. Those who ran off had no cance because Ventidius knew the way they will go and had already troops there who killed evryone.

So i accept your victory in one battle. Where you took 10.000 romans as prisoners, captured some Aquilae and let 10.000 romans escape back to rome.

We destroyed your army 3 years later. And we killed what was most precious for your king.

I wonder if Orodes II hold great value for the 3 Aquilae that he captured from Rome. I hope it was worth for him, because we showed not so much interest in his son as trophy. He was left in the dirt to rott away.

 

[Dexon]

Persia never had great men. No Caesar, No Marcus Aurelius. No Hadrian. No Cicero.
Its art was primitive as was its entire structure. Just looked at your persian statues...they look like a child made them. No class, no style. But i guess good enough for that area.

seems someone seen too much hollywood history movie

 

[ValerioAurelius]

seems someone seen too much hollywood history movie

Nope, you are free to name me some persian philosophers like Cicero.

Or show me persian statues that are as good as roman ones. Your look stiff and rather easy made.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Nope, you are free to name me some persian philosophers like Cicero.

Or show me persian statues that are as good as roman ones. Your look stiff and rather easy made.

If you think philosophy or art alone is
a stick to measure civilization with then you will be in for a surprise awakening.

Also a Lombard claiming to be an inheritor of roman history is laughable.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

If you think philosophy or art alone is
a stick to measure civilization with then you will be in for a surprise awakening.

Also a Lombard claiming to be an inheritor of roman history is laughable.

Lombard? I´m from Tuscany. I´m Etruskian We are not just inheritor but also the father of Rome.

 

[Mian Babban]

Some people claim that the Kalash people are some of the remenants of Soldiers that came with Alexander the great and they were left over and later just forgot to go back
One of tribes in Pakistan

Member of Pakistan's ancient tribes perhaps who may be connected to the soldiers / forces that came with Mecedonian Alexander the great. In old times when a region was won, the Victor Commander would leave his subordinate incharge of region and then either return home or continue journey to next city after a resting period

The bigger point I wanted to make is that Pakistan/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Egypt/Palestine/Turkey all have shared universal borders with multiple empires in past so it was common they were all citizen of same empire (same passport etc)

Kalasha/Nuristanis have nothing to do with ancient Greeks

 

[zartosht]

I dont care about persian generals. I have zero interest in non roman history. Your history is worthless for me. I had to use wiki to see who that was. Saw he was kileld days after the battle.


Troll history? I showed you the article where the archaeologists say that Cyrus was a brutal despot.

and yet you are here spamming a Persian thread with revinionist history that goes against the accepted mainstream. trying to desperately prove that cyrus was some evil slave owning tyrant.

keeping in mind, that Even if cyrus has some skeletons in his closet and wasn't liberal Sweden of the 21 century. He was way waaay ahead of his time, and far more merciful then the average roman emperor that came centuries after him.

I know the battle of Carrhae. What about it? It was the reason of the roman republic morphing into something far greater. Into the Roman Empire.

you knew all about it yet didn't know the name of the Persian commander who slaughtered the roman army, and significantly altered roman history.

In the end, the result is that our Empire became the greatest under the sun, still hailed today. While yours got destroyed, arabized and today gets used as prime example for evrything bad.

Persia never had great men. No Caesar, No Marcus Aurelius. No Hadrian. No Cicero.
Its art was primitive as was its entire structure. Just looked at your persian statues...they look like a child made them. No class, no style. But i guess good enough for that area.

Persia had men at least as equal to Rome. In my opinion far greater but definitely open to debate.

only difference is that the west sees the rome as one the cradles of their own civilization. as such heavy propaganda goes towards promoting anything and everything about them.

while Persia was always an eastern enemy. by which acknowledging their accomplishment would go against the uber white man theory. but that's a totally different debate..

Oh and by teh way since you boast so much about that battle. Why do you forget the back game?

After we lost we send Publius Ventidius Bassus

His army crushed the persian army at the battle at Mount Gindarus


And you know what was best? The crown prince of Persia, Prince Pacorus was found alive...Ventidius personally slayed him like a sheep.

It is said that the persian king Orodes II was so shocked from sadness for losing his son that he lost his will to live. He died shortly after.

Not one soldier of the eprsian army escaped. Those who ran off had no cance because Ventidius knew the way they will go and had already troops there who killed evryone.

So i accept your victory in one battle. Where you took 10.000 romans as prisoners, captured some Aquilae and let 10.000 romans escape back to rome.

We destroyed your army 3 years later. And we killed what was most precious for your king.

I wonder if Orodes II hold great value for the 3 Aquilae that he captured from Rome. I hope it was worth for him, because we showed not so much interest in his son as trophy. He was left in the dirt to rott away.

crown prince?

ill raise you an emperor. mr. history buff. go read up on emperor valerian of rome. becoming the first roman emperor to get captured, and taken before the Persian king shapur on his knees begging for his life.

unlike the civilized romans, there is no history of him savagely slaughtering his captive though (his exact fate is unknown, though most say he let him live, but some say he was used as a footstool)

with all that said. I don't see where your hate of Persia comes from. as even though rome was an enemy I don't hold any hatred towards them..

they were a great civilization in their own right. and they beat us sometimes and we beat them sometimes. Though id say the more dramatic victories went to us

and by all historical accounts, Romans has a healthy amount of respect for Persians, usually referring to them as brothers in correspondence.

Go and read some more history brother and relax a little. no need for all the hate

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Lombard? I´m from Tuscany. I´m Etruskian We are not just inheritor but also the father of Rome.

If you're from the north that makes you even more of a lombard. That's like a slav pretending to be greeks.

Italians =/= Roman.