Why the creation of Pakistan does not negate my Indian identity

[Hamza913]

Bangladesh is twin brother of Pakistan.

More like an ex colony.

 

[maximuswarrior]

You forget to take your morning syrup....Bhutto was Sindhi who established the foundation of Nuclear foundation for Pakistan ..I am sure it was not mean to address any other nation except India..His daughter accelerate the missile program ...
And this is how Pakhtuns love Indians , need nothing to write...Tribal elder was about to slap Mr.Nehru
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Why would the Indians take into account this bitter fact? Wouldn't it destroy their whole mumbo jumbo narrative?

 

[Hamza913]

All this is just A figment of your imagination

The very fact that India has over 180 MILLION Muslims
is something that you cannot digest

We are very happy and certain about our identity and outlook

Just cause someone says they are Muslim, doesn't make them such.

 

[Kabira]

Yes i know that, but your low IQ didnt allowed you to understand that i never denied word india or region india existed, i said it was used to refer to a region not to a single entity, country or nation.

No country with name of india ever existed before 1947, a region named india existed which was divided among many empires, cultures, for centuries whose name was derived from mighty indus and not the filthy ganga shithole..


Find me your imaginary country called india in map of south asia which later was divided

British gave them Indian identity but also bit of information on ancient aryan invasions which fucked them up beyond repair till this day. Churchil used to justify rule saying that British are just another set of aryans.

 

[padamchen]

LOL Says an Indian who is a member of a Pakistani defence forum LMAO

You think we are supposed to believe you?

I swear.

In school I used to hear of some famous bakri drama serial of Pakistan.

I couldn't even bring myself to muster the requisite levels of interest to watch it even once.

Why we are here is a whole different ball game. You guys are fun.

Cheers, Doc

 

[maximuswarrior]

I swear.

In school I used to hear of some famous bakri drama serial of Pakistan.

I couldn't even bring myself to muster the requisite levels of interest to watch it even once.

Why we are here is a whole different ball game. You guys are fun.

Cheers, Doc

LOL Says the guy who begs for attention on a Pakistani defence forum. We don't believe you.

In reality you are so obsessed with anything Pakistan. There would be no reason for you to be on this forum to begin with. You are a terrible liar and you have embarrassed yourself beyond comprehension.

 

[Hamza913]

They fought British like they fought the Arabs.

Muhammad Bin Qasim: Predator or preacher?
Akhtar BalouchUpdated April 08, 2014
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We all know that Arab General Muhammad Bin Qasim conquered Sindh in 712 AD. However, the facts surrounding this conquest, and the ill fate that followed for the conqueror is known to few among us.

According to researcher and historian Dr Mubarak Ali, the war between Muhamad Bin Qasim and Raja Dahar was never a war of faith versus infidelity. He further says that it is not correct that Muhammad Bin Qasim’s men included Hindus of scheduled castes fighting for him.

It was after Muhammad Bin Qasim had conquered Sindh and had marched further ahead that locals started joining the Arab forces due to poverty and joblessness. According to Dr Mubarak Ali, the Arabs started ruling under the umbrella of an ancient elite class, thus their behaviour towards the lower and humbler communities never changed.

As such, the taking over of the reigns of Hind and Sindh by the Arabs never changed a thing for the already oppressed and victimised classes of society, which is claimed to be the focus of Islamic governance.

So, who is to decide if Muhammad Bin Qasim was a predator or a preacher?

No glory in death
Chachnama, a Sindhi book published by the Sindhi Adabi Board in 2008, speaks of Muhammad bin Qasim's demise on page 242 to 243. I will try to summarise it for you.

After Raja Dahar was killed, two of his daughters were made captive, whom Muhammad Bin Qasim sent to the capital Damascus. After a few days, the Caliph of the Muslims called the two young women to his court. The name of the elder daughter of Raja Dahar was Suryadevi, while the younger one’s name was Pirmaldevi.

Caliph Waleed Bin Abdul Malik fell for Suryadevi’s extraordinary beauty. He ordered for her younger sister to be taken away. The Caliph then began to take liberties with Suryadevi, pulling her to himself.

It is written that Suryadevi sprang up and said: “May the king live long: I, a humble slave, am not fit for your Majesty's bedroom, because Muhammad Bin Qasim kept both of us sisters with him for three days, and then sent us to the caliphate. Perhaps your custom is such, but this kind of disgrace should not be permitted by kings.”

Hearing this, the Caliph’s blood boiled as heat from anger and desire both compounded within him.

Blinded in the thirst of Suryadevi’s nearness and jealousy of Bin Qasim who had robbed him of the purity he would otherwise have had, the Caliph [sic] immediately sent for pen, ink and paper, and with his own hands wrote an order, directing that, “Muhammad (Bin) Qasim should, wherever he may be, put himself in raw leather and come back to the chief seat of the caliphate.”

Muhammad Bin Qasim received the Caliph’s orders in the city of Udhapur. He directed his own men to wrap him in raw leather and lock him in a trunk before taking him to Damascus.

En route to the capital, Muhammad Bin Qasim, conqueror to some, predator to others, breathed his last and his soul departed to meet with the Creator in whose name he claimed to crusade in Sindh.

When the trunk carrying Muhammad Bin Qasim’s corpse wrapped in raw leather reached the Caliph’s court, the Caliph called upon Dahar’s daughters, asking them to bear witness to the spectacle of obedience of his men for the Caliph.

One of Dahar’s daughter’s then spoke in return and said: “The fact is that Muhammad Qasim was like a brother or a son to us; he never touched us, your slaves, and our chastity was safe with him. But in as much as he brought ruin on the king of Hind and Sind, desolated the kingdom of our fathers and grandfathers, and degraded us from princely rank to slavery, we have, with the intention of revenge and of bringing ruin and degradation to him in return, misrepresented the matter and spoken a false thing to your majesty against him.”

The author of the Chachnama then writes that had Muhammad Bin Qasim not lost his senses in the passion of obedience, he could have made the whole journey normally, while wrapping himself in raw leather and locking himself in a trunk only when a part of the journey remained to be covered.

He could have then proven himself innocent in the Caliph’s court and saved himself from such a fate.

Translated by Ayaz Laghari


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Akhtar Balouch is a senior journalist, writer and researcher. He is currently a council member of the HRCP. Sociology is his primary domain of expertise, on which he has published several books.


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Muhammad Bin Qasim was a great man, who fought well for someone of such a young age.

He started the process of making us Muslim, which Mahmud of Ghazni and others would continue.

 

[padamchen]

LOL Says the guy who begs for attention on a Pakistani defence forum. We don't believe you.

I'm just sharing like all of us here are.

No one is bound to believe anybody.

Jabarjasti nahin hai koi.

Cheers, Doc

 

[maximuswarrior]

Some of them even want Indonesia to become part of Akhan Bharat lol

These Indians got gobsmacked during the partition. They have been traumatized beyond comprehension. The Brits have destroyed the Indian psyche. The Indians cannot talk about the partition up to this day. It is a deep scar. So deep the Indians tremble upon hearing the word partition.

 

[Hamza913]

Sindh does not support the Punjabi Hostility towards India

Only Punjabis are IRRECONCIABLY hostile towards India

Others are not

Lol I think someone's forgotten where Jinnah was from.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I'm just sharing like all of us here are.

No one is bound to believe anybody.

Jabarjasti nahin hai koi.

Cheers, Doc

Sure thing buddy. On the one hand you claim you don't care, but here you are arguing with every fiber in your body. Don't be so confused and make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

The reality is for everyone to see here. You eagerly participate in a thread which is related to the partition. We know how obsessed you and your countrymen are. Like I said, this pain is severe and won't ever go. You better start facing the reality. Just deal with the pain.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

What these pseudo intellectuals fail to grasp that "India" was an entity which was created, ruled and marketed to world by the colonial British empire, or British Raj as we say. It has absolutely nothing to do with indigenous history of sub continent. Its neither home grown nor indigenous in nature or name. India was imposed on the people of sub continent by the foreign powers which when they left had natural readjustment. If the entity which came into being on 15th August called itself India, in a hope to carry on the legacy of British Raj, it has got nothing to do with the original India, which itself lasted a mere century. So when we are talking about history of sub continent, India itself is insignificant, be it a colonial India or the present day India.

When these liberal scumbags refer to India , they are infact glorifying the past slavery of foreign powers. Pakistanis have moved on with this label of disgrace, the subjects of Indian raj, and called themselves Pakistanis, while the ones in east are still holding on to the label of being called "Indian".

for the author, just a skim on his twitter account is enough to understand his mindset. When you are quoting the d|ckhead like cyril almeda and Asma Jahangir, and clearly toeing the line of Nawaz Shareef, you lose your credibility as unbiased writer.

I have said this many times, Pakistani deep must uproot these aholes sooner then later. The media houses like DAWN and TRIBUNE are spewing so much venom and filth these days in their support to Nawaz Shareef that they have now gone beyond maligning state institution and are attacking vary fabric of Pakistan as a state.

 

[El Sidd]

Muhammad Bin Qasim was a great man, who fought well for someone of such a young age.

He started the process of making us Muslim, which Mahmud of Ghazni and others would continue.

Muhammad Bin Qasim brought Islamic Rule in Sindh.

Islam was brought here before him through wanderers of good will.

Just a little correction.

And going back to the post about Indian Muslims.

They are Muslims if they claim to be Muslim and utter the Shahadah.

Why they remained in India? Well that is one big massive debate which can only be shortened out to

' to each their own destiny '

Pakistan has a destiny and a role far greater than one could imagine. We are the She-camel of Saleh and the only democratic Islamic civilization in the world existing today.

 

[padamchen]

Sure thing buddy. On the one hand you claim you don't care, but here you are arguing with every fiber in your body. Don't be so confused and make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

The reality is for everyone to see here. You eagerly participate in a thread which is related to the partition. We know how obsessed you and your countrymen are. Like I said, this pain is severe and won't go ever. You better start facing the reality.

I think you know my views on partition.

No sense living life without the passion and moral conviction to speak up clearly about what you believe in.

Cheers, Doc

 

[maximuswarrior]

What these pseudo intellectuals fail to grasp that "India" was an entity which was created, ruled and marketed to world by the colonial British empire, or British Raj as we say. It has absolutely nothing to do with indigenous history of sub continent. Its neither home grown nor indigenous in nature or name. India was imposed on the people of sub continent by the foreign powers which when they left had natural readjustment. If the entity which came into being on 15th August called itself India, in a hope to carry on the legacy of British Raj, it has got nothing to do with the original India, which itself lasted a mere century. So when we are talking about history of sub continent, India itself is insignificant, be it a colonial India or the present day India.

When these liberal scumbags refer to India , they are infact glorifying the past slavery of foreign powers. Pakistanis have moved on with this label of disgrace, the subjects of Indian raj, and called themselves Pakistanis, while the ones in east are still holding on to the label of being called "Indian".

for the author, just a skim on his twitter account is enough to understand his mindset. When you are quoting the d|ckhead like cyril almeda and Asma Jahangir, and clearly toeing the line of Nawaz Shareef, you lose your credibility as unbiased writer.

I have said this many times, Pakistani deep must uproot these aholes sooner then later. The media houses like DAWN and TRIBUNE are spewing so much venom and filth these days in their support to Nawaz Shareef that they have now gone beyond maligning state institution and are attacking vary fabric of Pakistan as a state.

The sweet irony of it all is that these scumbag fvckers have nowhere to go nor hide. They cannot go to their beloved India despite all of their Indian rhetoric. These scumbags have a divided loyalty. They are like transgenders. Trapped in a body and a place they don't want to belong, but have no where else to go. All they can do is pretend to be something which doesn't even exist. You can only feel pity for the sewer garbage.

The whole nation is celebrating freedom and Pakistani independence, but the the filth is drowned in misery and hate.

Let the scumbags reveal themselves one by one. We need to know who these people are. We need to know them by name and face.