Why Pakistan will never own an Aircraft Carrier

[RAMPAGE]

Cost of all aircrafts on-board : $ 4 Billion

Where did you get those numbers from? $4 billlion / 30 = $133.3 million per Mig 29K.

What are you smoking dude?

 

[jaiind]

Aircraft carriers are only good against poorly equipped 3rd World countries.

Also, what does 1971 got to do with it. Is it something you Indians can't get over and need to mention to any Bangladeshis you see?

carriers are used for power projection in the region, where it is used to handle the threats comfortably.

A detailed article.

Then Why doesnt UAE /Saudi Arabia have a Carrier ?

Aircraft carriers are only good against poorly equipped 3rd World countries.

Also, what does 1971 got to do with it. Is it something you Indians can't get over and need to mention to any Bangladeshis you see?

carriers are used for power projection in the region, where it is used to handle the threats comfortably.

 

[Kompromat]

The amount of money we'd waste on building and operating a carrier battle group can be better used to do the following.

*: 4-6 Type-54B AAW frigates
* Additional improved F-22P class frigates

* Increase Marines to the size of a Corp.

* Independent air wing Armed with 2 squadrons of updated Flanker class of jets with multi role capabilities including YJ-12 AShM.

* Invest in force multipliers like AWACs, refuelers, HALE UAS, EW platforms for navy.

* Maintain a fleet of 15 submarines including an SSBN.

* Invest in above the horizon radars, Networked ADS for naval stations.

* Build a DF-21 type mobile detterent against hostile CBGs.

* Invest in more training and exercises to increase the quality of our naval officers.

* Upgrade Babur Cruise Missile to assume an anti surface role, to be used as a coastal defense system on top of C-602A CDS. It ought to be able to take out any ship between 500-1000km.

Pakistan only has 1100km of coastline, no foreign bases and no hegemonic ambitions. Its primary purpose is to DEFEND us & maintain our triad. Carrier for Pakistan is not a dream but an impossiblity, that's because we don't really need one.

 

[Djinn]

Indians love to speak and conclude things on Pakistani's behalf. Talk about insanely devoted obsession.

 

[nadeemkhan110]

I don't agree actually Pakistan don't need carrier

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

carriers are used for power projection in the region, where it is used to handle the threats comfortably.

Carriers are useless when the enemy has anti-ship missiles and submarines.

 

[jaiind]

Carriers are useless when the enemy has anti-ship missiles and submarines.

you have any idea about CBG of a carrier ??

 

[Irfan Baloch]

What is an Aircraft Carrier ?
An aircraft carrier is a warship that serves as a seagoing airbase, equipped with a full-length flight deck and facilities for carrying, arming, deploying, and recovering aircraft. It allows a naval force that owns a carrier to project air power worldwide without depending on local bases for staging aircraft operations.

Aircraft carriers are expensive to build and are very critical assets. They are extremely vulnerable due to their large size and hence are escorted by various surface and sub-surface vessels like Destroyers, Cruisers, Frigates, Submarines and supply ships that defend the carrier in the event of a threat. The combination of these warships moving along with an aircraft carrier in open-seas is known as an 'Aircraft Carrier Battle Group'.

Regardless of size, the carrier itself must house their complement of aircraft, with space for launching, storing, and maintaining them. Space is also required to house a large crew, supplies (food, ammunition, fuel, engineering parts), and propulsion.

Now let's come to the point and understand why Pakistan will never own or afford to build and operate an Aircraft Carrier.


1. Economy ::

Pakistan's Gross Domestic Product is valued at $ 246 bn according to the World Bank and United Nations 2014 report.
India's economy ($ 2.2 trillion) is currently nine times larger than Pakistan's. At current respective growth rates, within ten years it will be nearly twenty times as large.

With horrendous poverty and national debt, coupled with radical Islamic extremism, Pakistan is one of the most under-developed country in the world. It has a failing government that is not in control of its army and security apparatus and vengeance seeking terrorist groups like the Taliban, Al-Qaida, Lashkar-E-Toiba and much more.

Radical Islamic Extremism, terror attacks, suicide bombers and a weak economy is not the only threat that Pakistan faces today. One of the main threat that the country faces is a population boom that cannot be supported by its economy anymore.

In a region that is poised to witness the fastest rate of economic growth in the world, a new World Bank report has placed Pakistan at the bottom of the eight economies in South Asia, projecting a moderate growth rate of 4.3% in 2015, the second-lowest after Afghanistan. In 2016, Afghanistan is set to overtake Pakistan in GDP growth rate which will make Pakistan the worst performing economy in Asia.

Pakistan's population currently stands at 185 million people. It is the sixth most populous country and one of the worst performing economies of the world. The fertility rate in Pakistan currently stands at an average of 3.5 children per woman which means that Pakistan's population will double in the next 12 to 15 years to 360 - 370 million people but it's economy will not. Tackling large scale unemployment of a population that has not seen anything but an Islamic Madrasa will be the most daunting task of the future govt. of Pakistan.

Construction cost of designing & developing a 44,500 ton carrier will be close to $6 bn. Deploying approximately 24 fighter jets on the carrier will cost an additional $4 bn taking the total to $10 bn just to construct the carrier and purchase the fighter jets. The country's total defense budget for the year 2015-16 stands $ 7.5 bn which is two and a half billion dollars lesser than the cost of an aircraft carrier. Pakistan will have to spend a whopping 4% of its entire GDP just to build and deploy one aircraft carrier in today's date.

2015 GDP Growth Rates of a few countries ::
a. Pakistan's GDP Growth Rate - 4.3%
b. Nepal - 5.0%
c. Republic of Congo - 5.2%
d. Uganda - 5.4%
e. Namibia - 5.6%
f. Bangladesh - 6.3%
g. Zambia - 6.7%
h. Kenya - 6.9%

& last but not the least

i. China - 6.8%
j. India - 7.5% (the fastest growing major economy in the world)


2. Technical Expertise & Physical Infrastructure ::

With almost no technical skills to design and develop state-of-the-art warships, the country is totally dependent on foreign assistance, especially China to expand its Navy. Karachi Shipyard of Pakistan is the only yard that has ever built a warship in Pakistan but with foreign assistance.

Constructing an aircraft carrier requires three important things.
a. An indigenous metal and steel industry capable of producing high grade steel to withstand extreme pressures of the sheer weight of the carrier.
b. Ship-building infrastructure and availability of technically qualified manpower like engineers who can design and develop an extremely complex warship like an aircraft carrier.
c. A strong economy that can support and fund up to $10 bn in acquiring an aircraft carrier and more funds to operate it.

In the case of Pakistan, none of the above mentioned points are even existent to fulfill their dream.


3. Cost of Operating ::

The per day cost incurred to India for operating one aircraft carrier is approximately Rs. 11 crores which is roughly 1.7 million dollars. This includes, fuel, ration, and salaries to nearly 1500 to 2000 sailors on-board the carrier. If the carrier is on active deterrent patrol for 300 days in a year then the total cost of operating just the carrier and not other warships that escort the mother-ship would be approximately half a billion dollars.

Pakistan's Air Force owns and operates only single engine fighter jets for a very simple reason and i.e. COST. Twin engine fighter jets consume twice the amount of fuel and double the time required for maintenance. India on the other hand operates the state-of-the-art twin-engine Su-30 MKI's as its mainstay. It is impossible for a country like Pakistan that cannot even afford to operate twin engine fighter jets, to even dream of establishing an 'Aircraft Carrier Battle Group'.


Conclusion ::
Aircraft Carriers are symbols of national pride that can traverse oceans with unmatched firepower, capable of waging a war, effectively forcing a naval blockade and attaining air, surface and sub-surface superiority.

Induction and existence of Aircraft Carriers are necessary in a nations arsenal in order for it to be recognized at least as a regional naval power.

With the induction of new conventional and nuclear-submarines, stealth missile destroyers like the INS Kochi and INS Kolkata, two operational aircraft carrier battle groups and the construction of a third nuclear powered carrier, India is soon to realise the dream of being recognized as a true blue water navy that will dominate the Indian Ocean for years to come.

Pakistan will have to achieve double digit GDP growth rates and sustain it for years which seems pretty impossible to own and operate an Aircraft Carrier to challenge India's naval supremacy. The only other way is, if Pakistan receives an Aircraft Carrier in AID from China considering Pakistan's track record of begging in front of the world.

what a waste of space and time

Pakistan wont have an aircraft carrier because it has a completely different doctrine which is not compatible with having a carrier.

its Naval ambitions are not region wide
there is no compulsion for power projections in the high seas and have off shore bases
Pakistan has a very small sea shore


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Carriers are being used for long patrol operations far away from home land. Even renaming ships of navy and on shore navy air fleet can do the job for their respective zones

you answered it well and in better way than I did.

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

 

[I S I]

the whole post was filled with hate & venom spewing from an indiot on Defence.in.


but this

'The only other way is, if Pakistan receives an Aircraft Carrier in AID from China considering Pakistan's track record of begging in front of the world.'

@Irfan Baloch @Icarus @Horus @Manticore @TaimiKhan @Oscar @WebMaster
please ban this user & delete the post.

bloody indians.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Carriers are useless when the enemy has anti-ship missiles and submarines.

Somebody better tell this to the idiots sitting in..............................................US Navy, US Marine Corps, Royal Navy, Marine Nationale, Russian Navy, Indian Navy, Italian Navy, Brazilian Navy and ooooh...................the People's Liberation Army Navy.
Army Navy? That's not even a real name. Stupid Dumb-asses totting around useless carriers.

 

[jaiind]

if you unaware of some thing you pls move on

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

Somebody better tell this to the idiots sitting in..............................................US Navy, Royal Navy, Marine Nationale, Russian Navy, Indian Navy, Italian Navy, Brazilian Navy and ooooh...................the People's Liberation Army Navy.
Army Navy? That's not even a real name. Stupid Dumb-asses totting around useless carriers.

And all these navies don't bring their aircraft carriers to countries that can hurt it. US used Israel to destroy P-800 Oniks inventory of Syria.

 

[Donatello]

We don't need an Aircraft Carrier to send a message to the idiots across the eastern border.
1998.....the message was heard LOUD and CLEAR

 

[Styx]

their navy gets the smallest share of the budget pie, for 2015-16, it's at around 85 million USD

Defence budget raised by 11.6pc to Rs781 billion - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

why no love for the navy, can anyone explain ?