Why Pakistan MUST consider Afghan civilians as its own

[El Sidd]

Not all of them. We have learned what others think of us deep down...

The socialist baby boom could have been dealt with effectively no doubt.

I see a dangerous trend in almost all other 'Muslim' majority countries.

The Turkish 'state' enjoys a similar problem along with Egypt and almost all of the middle east.

This invisible fragrance is as charming as it is doesn't reciprocate to international diplomacy unfortunately.

Pakistan is unique to this and thus why is considered the jewel of political islamic diplomacy. The Pakistani narrative is the world's holy grail. The will to live united on an ideology beyond race color ethnicity or culture.

People are being told to get their house in order. Pakistan can only get their house in order before even thinking of anyone else. But a Pakistan whose house is in order presents a small problem for the world. Their ego.

An Afghan and a Pakistani think differently. You cannot change that fact no matter what legislation one can come up with.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

ظفر آدمی نہ جانیئے گا اسے، ہو وہ کتنہ ہی صاحب فہم و ذکا
جسے عیش میں یاد خدا نہ رہا، جسے طیش میں خوف خدا نہ رہا

Transalation:
Zafar, don't consider him a man, no matter how erudite and learned
Who forgets God in luxury, who fears not God in temper

Comprehension of Hadith of Holy Prophet Sallallahu 'Alaihi wa Aalihi Wasallm
The stronger man isn't the one who can submit another. The stronger man is the one who can control his temper.

The recent rocketing of Afghan territory by Pakistani forces is deeply disconcerting. Such acts establish Pakistan as a bully and hegemon in the minds of ordinary Afghans, who are already down-trodden and pummelled from all sides. And it provides the enemies of Pakistan the perfect opportunity to come in and proclaim: we are the best friends of Afghans, we can make this stop.

Having seen many online posts, I can surmise there is a widespread belief amongst Pakistanis that we can somehow dissociate ourselves from the Afghan mess. That, the border can be somehow tamed and a line drawn to keep the unwanted on the other side. This belies the ground truth and the reality of the situation. The topography of the Durand line makes a mockery of any attempts at establishing and enforcing a border. But even more importantly, it is the deep seated desire of people living on either side of the Durand line to be able to navigate freely across it, as they have done for centuries. And because the people's will is so, thus it shall be so, even if it takes centuries to become so.

The multiple failures of international powers at controlling and taming Afghanistan indicate clearly that the local population will never submit to them en masse. Yet, not even the Taliban can deny that development in the form of infrastructure, industrialization, education, and governance is the need of the day. The only worldly power that can provide this to Afghans is Pakistan. Thus, Pakistanis MUST remain cognizance of their status in the region and proceed accordingly. Establishing the tenet that every Afghan life is as precious as a Pakistani life, based on both religious and human grounds, would cost us little, yet increase our prestige in the eyes of the common Afghan. And for Pakistan, an understanding and welcoming Afghan population provides a much needed strategic depth that we shall never find in Iran. I am amazed how this simple point is lost to everyone, top down.

What cannot be conquered through guns and missiles, can always be conquered with pure love. The question is, are our hearts big enough for tough love?

We have been for 40 years. But the afghans have brought nothing but death and misery to Pakistan. The time has come to round up ALL afghans in Pakistan at gunpoint and send them home. It's the only option left to deal with the afghan problem once and for all.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Taking over afghan rouge region and growing Pakistan's square footage is best option we need more square footage , the map has to look bigger

 

[CriticalThought]

Do you think that Afghanistan will ever accept Pakistan annexing part of their territory? How can the noble Afghan ever accept that Daalkhor has outdone them?

It would have to be by brute force. And that would necessitate 500 rockets plus more.

Here is a potential modus operandi:

1. Any area from where we receive incoming fire, use ISI to build support amongst the local people. The poor villagers living in shambles and lives destroyed by incessant war.

2. Once the local populace is with us, expand the border gradually. Take over territory as small a 1 sq km maybe, but take it with the solid resolve of never ceding it back.

3. Immediately start development in the newly taken over area.

4. For all new areas, follow the FATA model as tried and tested since 1947. The locals follow their own laws within their areas. There is full freedom of movement across the Durand line. But when in Pakistan, all of Pakistan's laws are applicable. Pak Army is responsible for security, and for raising LEAs within the local population, something like Khasadars.

This is the general outline of what I have in mind.

@PAKISTANFOREVER

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Afghan region's only cure is simple

a) It belongs all to Pakistan
b) Educated people get to sit in Parliment
c) All other weapons are seized
d) All afghans are registered given proper ID

3-4 Airforce bases are setup in Afghan region

Kabul has a nice airport , ripe for take over

Pakistani Map will look fantastic with a nice Territory added to it , it makes up for loss of Territory in 71

 

[TMA]

Here is a potential modus operandi:

1. Any area from where we receive incoming fire, use ISI to build support amongst the local people. The poor villagers living in shambles and lives destroyed by incessant war.

2. Once the local populace is with us, expand the border gradually. Take over territory as small a 1 sq km maybe, but take it with the solid resolve of never ceding it back.

3. Immediately start development in the newly taken over area.

4. For all new areas, follow the FATA model as tried and tested since 1947. The locals follow their own laws within their areas. There is full freedom of movement across the Durand line. But when in Pakistan, all of Pakistan's laws are applicable. Pak Army is responsible for security, and for raising LEAs within the local population, something like Khasadars.

This is the general outline of what I have in mind.

@PAKISTANFOREVER

The loca populace will never be with Pakistan. (never say never, but realistically)

 

[CriticalThought]

The loca populace will never be with Pakistan. (never say never, but realistically)

We'll let ISI sort out the difficult bits

 

[Ray-of-Hope]

As long as the American and UN aid is there in big numbers, our governments' hearts are as big and long as the distance between Australia and the UK. We associate humans with financial benefits anymore, once someone doesn't benefit us financially, we look for ways to blame them for every misery and throw them away.

This has been happening in a few European countries for decades. When they needed economic migrants because their own people didn't want to do any dirty work it was all good. Now that the countries are overpopulated they remembered that foreigners are the cause of terrorism, economic crisis, social crisis, and what not.

Situation here is same. We're blaming 1% of the country (which are the refugees/immigrants) for crisis in our country that's been caused first and foremost by our own officials.

 

[RescueRanger]

Afghan region's only cure is simple

a) It belongs all to Pakistan
b) Educated people get to sit in Parliment
c) All other weapons are seized
d) All afghans are registered given proper ID

3-4 Airforce bases are setup in Afghan region

Kabul has a nice airport , ripe for take over
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Pakistani Map will look fantastic with a nice Territory added to it , it makes up for loss of Territory in 71

Brother what have you been smoking?

 

[Ray-of-Hope]

Please go and spend a week in Afghanistan and document how they react when you tell them you are from Pakistan . Then we can talk about balanced approach. Till then its all hyperbole.

I spent a month in Afghanistan. Visited Jalalabad, Kabul and Salang. Absolutely loved it. And no, I wasn't mistreated when I told them I am Pakistani. Those in Jalalabad started speaking about their time in Peshawer, those in Kabul were just neutral, whilst those in Salang didn't care.

And what I am saying, is that Pakistanis should not accept any boundaries either. Afghanistan should be our province, PERIOD. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong is that that isn't going to happen. Nor is there need for this to happen. Period.


And those people saying Pakistani diaspora are naive and therefore accepting of other nationalities and ethnicities, WRONG. If anything then second and third generation Pakistanis have built good reputation for most part. They've built good relations with people from various backgrounds. We observe political and social event from international point of view, we don't get emotional by government's blackmailing. If anything, Pakistani diaspora have neutral or good attitude towards other Muslims because we're wiser and less restricted by blind patriotism. Please keep the accusations for where it's due.

 

[CriticalThought]

I spent a month in Afghanistan. Visited Jalalabad, Kabul and Salang. Absolutely loved it. And no, I wasn't mistreated when I told them I am Pakistani. Those in Jalalabad started speaking about their time in Peshawer, those in Kabul were just neutral, whilst those in Salang didn't care.


What's wrong is that that isn't going to happen. Nor is there need for this to happen. Period.

It is much needed. The only thing stopping it from happening is our lack of vision.

 

[RescueRanger]

This delusional ummah chumma thread should be closed.

foreigners who are rimming the Afghans here can invite them in their own country

Yep let them go drive taxis in New York!

 

[python-000]

right now what's going on over there that America forcefully trying to impose India on them ...

 

[El Sidd]

Yep let them go drive taxis in New York!

take them anywhere they prefer or just leave them in their own country.
stop leeching on vulnerable muslim countries to loot their resources under the guise of democracy or ummah or whatever.

 

[RescueRanger]

Please keep the accusations for where it's due.

Whats with the "we" and "Pakistani" stuff? you have UK Origin and UK Location flags. Are you saying you are Pakistani, if so please update those flags are per site rules!