Why Pak Army remained silent when our children were being killed ?

[Alpha BeeTee]

Everybody who visits this forum frequently might know that I'm not an anti army element and I certainly don't like to bash Pak army needlessly so this is a serious question.
From 2003 till 2013,the Americans carried out free drone strikes in Pakistan.We all know that the majority of the people killed were innocent civilians.I won't go intp official or unofficial count of the deceased.
Why was this being allowed to happen? We must not fool ourselves by thinking that all was happening at the consent of the civilian govt and the Army was helpless.Everybody knows the might of Pak Army inside Pakistan.I can't bring myself to think that Americans were doing this without our consent.They don't have the fortitude to poke and finger us like that.They could never risk an escalation with Pakistan while they were trapped in Afg.
We can't give this idea of collateral damage to ourselves.There is should be no such thing as collateral damage.
The blood of a Muslim is more scared in the sight of Allah than the Kaa'ba.
We know that many officers were deeply frustated at the drone strikes.Why would they be frustated if the strikes were only picking out militants ?
What was the wisdom in the Army's hierarchy being silent ? What kind of wisdom permits letting your people being bombed ?
So,kis kay hath pay apnon ka lahoo talash kia jay ?
We don't come to this forum for singing praises to our Army and country only,we discuss things here.I will be disappointed if the mods block this thread as I don't see myself violating any rules and I know that this is not Bharat Rakshak.

 

[Moonlight]

Everybody who visits this forum frequently might know that I'm not an anti army element and I certainly don't like to bash Pak army needlessly so this is a serious question.
From 2003 till 2013,the Americans carried out free drone strikes in Pakistan.We all know that the majority of the people killed were innocent civilians.I won't go intp official or unofficial count of the deceased.
Why was this being allowed to happen? We must not fool ourselves by thinking that all was happening at the consent of the civilian govt and the Army was helpless.Everybody knows the might of Pak Army inside Pakistan.I can't bring myself to think that Americans were doing this without our consent.They don't have the fortitude to poke and finger us like that.They could never risk an escalation with Pakistan while they were trapped in Afg.
We can't give this idea of collateral damage to ourselves.There is should be no such thing as collateral damage.
The blood of a Muslim is more scared in the sight of Allah than the Kaa'ba.
We know that many officers were deeply frustated at the drone strikes.Why would they be frustated if the strikes were only picking out militants ?
What was the wisdom in the Army's hierarchy being silent ? What kind of wisdom permits letting your people being bombed ?
So,kis kay hath pay apnon ka lahoo talash kia jay ?
We don't come to this forum for singing praises to our Army and country only,we discuss things here.I will be disappointed if the mods block this thread as I don't see myself violating any rules and I know that this is not Bharat Rakshak.

Inside support, yes without inside support this is NOT easy to attack a country or its civilians. Unfortunately, we never got a sincere government, sincere with civilians and the country. It's a fact our government do not even get bothered with seeing people dying. If ever one of the kid of our PM or president or any top corrupt official's will die in these attacks. You will see them taking actions, making plans, and most importantly seriously working to execute these plans. They don't even give damn to civilians lives. That day, they will even give shut up call to USA.

 

[Areesh]

Well if you are going to host all the arabs, chechens, uzbeks and africans and refuse to cooperate with the government and refuse to accept the law then don't expect government to save you when enemies of those arabs, chechens, uzbeks and africans come to bomb you.

Simple logic.

 

[NP-complete]

Drone attacks happened in FATA. That area is not exactly in the control of Pakistani government. They rule themselves. Therefore government also doesnt care about them. Infact the government must have thought that american help can come handy in order to tame them.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

Inside support, yes without inside support this is NOT easy to attack a country or its civilians. Unfortunately, we never got a sincere government, sincere with civilians and the country. It's a fact our government do not even get bothered with seeing people dying. If ever one of the kid of our PM or president or any top corrupt official's will die in these attacks. You will see them taking actions, making plans, and most importantly seriously working to execute these plans. They don't even give damn to civilians lives. That day, they will even give shut up call to USA.

This thread is about army's role,not the govt.
Nothing of this magnitude can happen in Pakistan if the Army is at odds with govt.
It all happend with the consent of some higher ups in the army.

 

[Pakistani E]

Everybody who visits this forum frequently might know that I'm not an anti army element and I certainly don't like to bash Pak army needlessly so this is a serious question.
From 2003 till 2013,the Americans carried out free drone strikes in Pakistan.We all know that the majority of the people killed were innocent civilians.I won't go intp official or unofficial count of the deceased.
Why was this being allowed to happen? We must not fool ourselves by thinking that all was happening at the consent of the civilian govt and the Army was helpless.Everybody knows the might of Pak Army inside Pakistan.I can't bring myself to think that Americans were doing this without our consent.They don't have the fortitude to poke and finger us like that.They could never risk an escalation with Pakistan while they were trapped in Afg.
We can't give this idea of collateral damage to ourselves.There is should be no such thing as collateral damage.
The blood of a Muslim is more scared in the sight of Allah than the Kaa'ba.
We know that many officers were deeply frustated at the drone strikes.Why would they be frustated if the strikes were only picking out militants ?
What was the wisdom in the Army's hierarchy being silent ? What kind of wisdom permits letting your people being bombed ?
So,kis kay hath pay apnon ka lahoo talash kia jay ?
We don't come to this forum for singing praises to our Army and country only,we discuss things here.I will be disappointed if the mods block this thread as I don't see myself violating any rules and I know that this is not Bharat Rakshak.

How come people like you never speak about the children killed by TTP and their allies? How come you only wake up when it comes to drone strikes? More children have been killed by TTP and their allies than in drone strikes. I have never seen self righteous people like you opening threads about them. Why such hypocrisy?

 

[NP-complete]

This is no explaination that they are kind of not in our federation so we kind of let them being bombed to death and destruction.

No i mean the government sent them a kind of message. That they will be better protected and stronger if they come into the fold of islamabad.

 

[ganesh623]

When a angry USA throws a warning of bombing to stone age, there is very little pakistan could have done anyways.

US threatened to bomb Pakistan back to “the Stone Age” - World Socialist Web Site

 

[sady]

Are you naive enough to believe artillery shelling and F16 strikes by Pak Army in Zarb e Azab doesn't kill families of militants or those who stayed put? There are no right or wrong decisions only difficult ones. You had two options either stop US from doing the drone strikes and dirty your own hands plus also take wrath of US forces or let them do it themselves.

Reality check for people Pakistan is hardly a super power and those who are inspired by divine help in this regard look around divine help does not come amidst 'thumkas' of Katrina kaif, listening like dumbfucks the verbal diarrhoea of pathtetic politicians or in a place where apathy injustice and cruelity becomes a norm. The little freedom that we have in shape of Pakistan the vast majority of people do not even deserve it. I have no qualms in saying a common Pakistani deserves the collective hardship,death and destruction that has plagued him for decades now. If it wasn't for noble few either in forces or Civ population and sacrifices of many this country would have been doomed to horrific end as many others around our part of worl today.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

How come people like you never speak about the children killed by TTP and their allies? How come you only wake up when it comes to drone strikes? More children have been killed by TTP and their allies than in drone strikes. I have never seen self righteous people like you opening threads about them. Why such hypocrisy?

I don't need to open a thread on the attrocities comitted by TTP because the TTP being evil is an established fact which does not need to be reiterated.There's no two opinions about TTP.
And how does your reply address the question I posed?

 

[SipahSalar]

Not only that, but reporters who try to report on civilian deaths from these drone strikes are occasionally killed, its not an issue of not stopping them but being co-conspirators.

Pakistan anti-drone campaigner missing - Al Jazeera English

Why would terrorists pick up someone who is protesting drone strikes?

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

Are you naive enough to believe artillery shelling and F16 strikes by Pak Army in Zarb e Azab doesn't kill families of militants or those who stayed put? There are no right or wrong decisions only difficult ones. You had two options either stop US from doing the drone strikes and dirty your own hands plus also take wrath of US forces or let them do it themselves.

Reality check for people Pakistan is hardly a super power and those who are inspired by divine help in this regard look around divine help does not come amidst 'thumkas' of Katrina kaif, listening like dumbfucks the verbal diarrhoea of pathtetic politicians or in a place where apathy injustice and cruelity becomes a norm. The little freedom that we have in shape of Pakistan the vast majority of people do not even deserve it. I have no qualms in saying a common Pakistani deserves the collective hardship,death and destruction that has plagued him for decades now. If it wasn't for noble few either in forces or Civ population and sacrifices of many this country would have been doomed to horrific end as many others around our part of worl today.

You are right my friend.
Usuary,interest,injustice,immorality,nepotism,shamelessness...
We have a long list of crimes.It is onlg Allah Who is still bearing us.

 

[Desert Fox]

Well if you are going to host all the arabs, chechens, uzbeks and africans and refuse to cooperate with the government and refuse to accept the law then don't expect government to save you when enemies of those arabs, chechens, uzbeks and africans come to bomb you.

Simple logic.

Question is why were those Chechens, Arabs, and Africans allowed to stay there with the knowledge of the Pakistani government, Army, and ISI from 1989-2001??

Why were they allowed to come into Pakistan through Pakistani Airports in the first place?? I'm sure they didn't come through Iran, China, India, or former Soviet Union.

 

[Areesh]

Cool justification for bombing innocent kids and women.

No justification. Simple logic. Karachi never got bombed by drones. Quetta, Lahore, Islamabad and Peshawar never got bombed. Every asked yourself question why???

When you declare war against the state calling them American agents when it called you to stop hosting arabs, chechens, uzbeks then don't expect state to save your as$ when drones bomb you to kill those arabs, uzbek and chechens.

Question is why were those Chechens, Arabs, and Africans allowed to stay there with the knowledge of the Pakistani government, Army, and ISI from 1989-2001??

Why were they allowed to come into Pakistan through Pakistani Airports in the first place?? I'm sure they didn't come through Iran, China, India, or former Soviet Union.

Many came through Afghanistan. Some might have come through airports too. The thing is when you want to remain free, don't want law of the land applied to you then you should be ready for drones. It isn't about terrorism only. We all know what used to happen in "ilaqa e ghair" even before 9/11.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

LOL when they get money or F16s they would gladely sell thei own mothers, thats why i didnt joined army even being from army background.