Why Modi sarkar is desperate for peace with Pakistan

[nForce]

Pakistan needs to vacate the occupied regions of Kashmir. Then we can have peace.

 

[ito]

But those who were killed in Samjhota express were they not Pakistanis? It does not matter to us where the incident happened, but what matters is that because of that Pakistanis lost their lives and hence the comparison.
I could only wish if India would have allowed our investigating team to talk to Kasab before he was hanged, things would have been different.

Indians too were killed in Samjhota. Most terrorist attacks take lives of many nations' citizens. Mumbai victims include Americans, British, Israels etc...It doesn't mean Americans, British, and Israels are responsible for investigations.

Yes, India should apprise of status of the case to Pakistan, but Pakistan has no role to play in the investigations on Samjhota. While Mumbai is different. This case cannot move forward without the cooperation of Pakistani establishment as this was plotted in Pakistan and executed by Pakistani citizens.

 

[doppelganger]

Thank God for the Hawks.

They prevent the Doves from going full retard on the nation.

 

[IceCold]

. The ground realities, as I have oft repeated in this forum, are such that today Pakistan as a state and Pakistani Army as an institution are our indirect allies. The scourge of radicalization that had been used by Zia and US to counter the USSR and then by Zia in Kashmir, is something that has eroded the social fabric of modern Pakistan. In a situation where sectarian violence and increasing radicalization led insurgency against Pakistan is prevalent, any war with India may (hypothetically and keeping nukes out of here for sake of argument) lead to a potential collapse of Pakistani central authority. That shall be disastrous for Pakistan immediately and India in short and near future. So the logic of India fighting Pakistan is redundant....

Before Modi in power I might would have agreed with you but now it's a totally different ball game. India has already once done it that is to break Pakistan, and Modi openly taking pride it in. So yeah forgive us if we are not too optimistic about India approach towards Pakistan.
As for the above part of your post, let me asure you Pakistan is not a push over that a conflict with India would collapse it. Ttp thought they could nafiz sharia and PA would be a push over, now they are hiding in Afghanistan. Had there been no Indian support they would have been crushed much earlier. India is welcome to try at its own peril.

 

[xyxmt]

looks like india sikular libral "persstitutes" are trying level best to force modi listen to them even if it means talking against their own nation and harming its long term policy goals

no its not sekular indian, its the fatigue in Indian Army in Kashmir, he has realized running a country is much different from selling tea...for how long India can sustain half a million army in Kashmir

 

[GURU DUTT]

no its not sekular indian, its the fatigue in Indian Army in Kashmir, he has realized running a country is much different from selling tea...for how long India can sustain half a million army in Kashmir

keep dreaming about so called "fatigue of indian army in kashmir" fact is insdia under no circumstances will give kashmir to pakistan and pakistan is in no position to force its will on us so leave it

Now lets talk about these sikular/libral prestitutes who want modi to listen to them and reactivate all their NGOs "who made merry on foriegn funds" + give them back all special privilages they enjoyed in congress rule but point is will NaMo sarkar do that your geusss is as good as mine

last but not the least indian foriegn policy is made by indian foriegn office and then implimented by PMO & NSA is just keeps an hawk eye on all things so no troublemaker is able to sabotage indian interests internalli and externalli for which they take help of their foriegn counterparts

one more thing you should keep under considration is that all indian diplomats are cream de la cream of educated indians who are chosen among the best of the best after multiple screenings and exams unlike your nation where a diplomat can be hired deu to his family background or his/her affliation/loyalty towards the ruling party

keep bragging about indian army or indian foriegn office or NSA they are not going to change their goals and work culture just because pakistanies dont like it baki aap khud samajhdar ho ... have a nice day

 

[P.K.]

India has already once done it that is to break Pakistan, and Modi openly taking pride it in.

If a Pakistani can take pride in even a misadventure like Kargil which made its PM run to Uncle Sam for cover, then why the hell Indians can not take pride in a successful planned military operation of creating Bangladesh.
Every Pakistani takes pride in watching every time a Pakistan flag is raised in Kashmir valley, I bet, watching it happen before their own eyes, every ISI official also feels a sense of achievement. So why whine if Modi boast of breaking your country. After all both countries are sworn enemies.

The pithy joint statement in Ufa - drafted by the foreign secretaries of the two nations in about half-an-hour while seated on a sofa in a corridor at the meeting's venue - in a departure from the past intriguingly made no specific mention of Kashmir though it did talk about "outstanding issues"

For now, New Delhi is keen to see the joint statement as the leitmotif for the course the bilateral ties will take in the coming months. The statement, drafted by foreign secretary S Jaishankar alongwith his Pakistan counterpart Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry was described by sources as one that “captures the main points of discussion during the (PMs) meeting” and “a considered, honest, accurate, reasonable summary of the substance of the meeting”.

Any seasoned diplomat will definitely look at the highlighted words while treating the rest as BS.
Lets hope Pakistani establishment decrypt the joint statement asap and take necessary remedial actions against Civil Jack@sses running the country

 

[Hellfire]

No, I don't see the politics of keeping people who killed our innocent citizens alive. Please elucidate.

Ok. Bear with me. See, war/employment of force or the threat thereof, is the last resort of diplomacy and real politik. By any and all means, war is mere an extension of the diplomatic and political effort and not merely a means to an end. Without any political/diplomatic aim/objective, war is rendered redundant and the era where personal egos led nations to war (era of Chengez Khan et al) is long gone. Coming back to what I was referring to. In international forum, the aim of Indian diplomatic and political thrust has always been to keep Pakistan under pressure. Post 9/11, the threat of the radicalization undertaken as an instrument of state policy at behest of US and CIA by Pakistan started having consequences for US which were out of their ability to control. At the same time, the inherent wish of the Zia government and subsequent military thought of PA which saw the stupendous effect of using a large irregular force willing to die for a religious cause and the process of replicating the same in Kashmir also led to ancillary development of similar targets albeit without the ISI controls in form of US, Israel etc. For the jihadis of this belt, US followed by Israel and India are the biggest targets. The indoctrination over 2 generations has driven this thought into the fabric of the restive regions of North - West Frontier regions. So for all purposes today, inadvertently, US-Israel-India are fighting for their own security, and there is tremendous amount of co-ordination.

Sorry for the long prelude, but this was not the case always. Post Mumbai 26/11, when Ajmal Kasab was taken alive, in international forum there were many countries which were affected by this senseless attack. By keeping him alive, everytime Pakistan had tried to project itself as a partner in WoT, India would just push him forward. Same for Dawood Ibrahim. This led to tremendous diplomatic effort by Israel to put pressure on US plus the jewish lobby in US itself (Jews having been targeted in the attack too) which led to US recognizing Pakistan as a part rather than solution to the problem. That has enabled scaling down of the tremendous economic and military aid to Pakistan. My suggestion is, similarly join the dots and you will understand why he was kept alive and why Dawood is still alive.

Murderers should be punished, else a country is basically declaring an open season on it's citizens. Killing terrorists outside one's borders has a deterrent effect.
Now our capability to punish them is another matter. In such a case we should shut our whining as they re-enforce our impotency in such matters.

The whining is part of political and diplomatic pressure. Other than you and I , no politician on either side of the border is much bothered by it.

Before Modi in power I might would have agreed with you but now it's a totally different ball game. India has already once done it that is to break Pakistan, and Modi openly taking pride it in. So yeah forgive us if we are not too optimistic about India approach towards Pakistan.
As for the above part of your post, let me asure you Pakistan is not a push over that a conflict with India would collapse it. Ttp thought they could nafiz sharia and PA would be a push over, now they are hiding in Afghanistan. Had there been no Indian support they would have been crushed much earlier. India is welcome to try at its own peril.

@IceCold you and I have exchanged a few words some ages back. I have been around long enough not to get drawn into a rhetoric slugfest. So I will try and just concentrate on the bold part of the statement. The game of international politics is such that what is said is often not what is meant and what is meant is often not what is implemented. I have told why Pakistan intact and reasonably strong is necessary for India. Oh, do not mistake me my friend, we will do what you have done to us for almost three decades in Kashmir. We will raise the cost for you to hold your territories and we will ensure you are insecure and your security is always under threat. That is a given. Like I said earlier, the great games have been played between nations for hundreds of years and even between the best of allies they have existed. But we will be calibrated in our approach. As Zulfikar Ali Bhutto once famously said that Pakistanis will eat grass to get the bomb, we will ensure that this dream comes about, but not literally.

Modi is maintaining a hawkish posture. Only a BJP led government and a hawk can settle this historical baggage which our nations carry. What it takes, is similar hawks in Pakistan ready and willing to move ahead with what Musharraf and Vajpayee had almost agreed to. Are you guys willing to walk half way too?

 

[Bang Galore]

The most important challenge is to make negotiations spoiler proof by that what I mean is certain acts of terrorism be it Samjhota express by Indian extremists or Mumbai by Pakistani extremists should not have a major impact on the ongoing dialogue. Vitriol ejected by hotheads on both sides is a part and parcel of India-Pakistan relationship, we have to move beyond that..

Disagree. The Mumbai attacks of 26/11 were carried out by a Pakistani group known for its closeness to the Pakistani intelligence. There is substantial reason to suspect the involvement of elements of the Pakistani state itself in that attack. David Headley's revelation in this matter are on record as is the confession of Abu Jundal, a man whose extradition to India was fought against by the Pakistani government. This has nothing to do with this government, the previous HM Chidambaram is on record saying that Pakistani actions during the extradition of Abu Jundal and the confessions of the man clearly pin-point the culpability of the Pakistani state.

To then argue that Mumbai should not impact India-Pakistan relationship is silly to the point of being ludicrous.

 

[[Bregs]]

As the headlines of the thread goes "Better to be desperate for peace then for a war or useless border clashes"

 

[khujliwal]

Modi is just trying to mellow down his hawkish image, there will be pretense of talks and that's it. Reason could be anyone of many such as Saudi and ME trip, Western pressure. May be Nawaz used his good offices in ME and west. But for sure Modi's priority is not Pakistan. They know that Nawaz alone can not decide anything, what to talk about? If another coup happens, inshallah we'll start were we left the discussions with runaway commandu Musharraf.

 

[chhota bheem]

ok Now that if the Pakistanies agree that they where able to corner Modi and now he is desperate of talks you guys should wait form him to call NS asking for talks.......and NS will keep waiting for the phone ring.

 

[Dash]

Nothing wrong in talking anyway..

 

[Roman 12]

Modi is DESPERATE for peace with Pakistan.

What the fcuk Did i just see .

 

[Shamain]

Top down approach will not work. The only thing that will work is the approach that was supposed to be taken.. Defence establishment to defence establishment. See, Modi carries with him the spectre of Godhra for Pakistanis regardless of whether it is justified or not.. Nawaz carries his infidelity over Kargil.. what is needed is the engagement that was being done pre-2008.. Military to Military back channels, FM links.. all of that.

When u say 'whether it is justified or not', it clear evokes the question, ' u believe a riot under any circumstance could be justified'?

Didnt expect to read that.