Why Israel can overcome Iran militarily despite population and land size

[B.K.N]

Israel don't have to overcome Iran she is already much powerful than Iran

 

[Mentee]

Seems like Iran has been a cake walk for everyone even some afghan rag tag tribal lords overrun it . What a travesty

 

[500]

Iran is historic ally of Israel.

Khamenaist regime can't do anything beside terror and killing helpless people in Syria.

 

[Aramagedon]

Iranirans ruled the world for entire history and only got three minor defeat.

Parthians defeated romans.

Iranians rolled back Arab invaders, killed Ummayads and put Abbasid in power. Hothaks existed only for five years.




















The OP is an dumba$$.

 

[raptor22]

Well if we assume the article true then we could conclude that at least Persians have been present all the time what about them? and despite wars Persia have been always able to revive again ... the reason behind Macedonia triumph Persia was Persia civilization, pluralism & good governance that led Macedonia to flourish & thrive becoming a problem for Iran .. probably we should have slaved all other nations like other barbaric empires and kept them back, chained jews destroy all other nations but it ain't our culture. and then the Alexander copied the Iranian governing system , due to being the most effective system, in his entire empire which later was handed down to Roman and now the USA inherited this:

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On Arab invasion of Iran the only reason behind their success was long lasting internal conflict which distracted the central government to take care of the problem next to being at war with Romans for centuries ... funny thing is it was Persians that wrote most Arab books, grammar and narrations and so on.
On Safavid well they managed to retake Iranian islands from Spain in Persian gulf and were in war with Othmans for a long time but the last king was incompetent and stupid which eventually drag the entire nation by himself down but within a 20 years Iranian defeated them and even conquered the India due to not returning this Afghan criminals ....

So what is matter is Iran/Persia presence throughout history none stop surly every nation has high and low .. show one country that has never fallen, here Roman empire kneeing to Persians ...


The writer has several orgasm over 3 wars and has forgotten the entire history and Iranian impact on it to conclude Iranian wanna regime change ... the point is all these huffing and puffing are merely words while Iran's power is reality on the ground ... the Q is if Iranian wanna regime change & even a tiny miny country like the UAE could destroy Iran then why all these efforts, sanctions, threatening? for a weak Iran?
Those who must know these stuff know it well & that's why they don't attack.

Just make a stupid step to see the outcome.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Iran has historically been the only country who boosts the record for the biggest military upsets in human history.

In 3 occasions biggest military upsets in human history happened in Iran and now I want to explain why this happened and why this will most likely happen again in any form of future military struggle.

1: Macedonia vs Persia in the battle of Issus

The Persians outnumber the enemy by a large margin. 40.850 vs 600.000

2: Umar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb vs Persia

Battle of Firaz: 15.000 vs 150.000

Battle of Nahāvand: 30.000 120.000

At this point in time it was a norm to see a larger Iranian forces to fall into shock defeats where the odds was heavily in their favor.

3: Mirwais Hotak vs Safavid dynasty

This one is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not that 300 movie which was fake but this one was real and authentic event that took place. A tiny tribe from Kandahar conquered the whole of Iran and this happened just a little less then 300 years ago in the 17th century.

The safavid dysnasty controlled western part of Afghanistan and whole of Iran but what happened is that they arrested a youth called Mirwais Hotak and later he and his tribe revolted and this tiny harmless revolt led by 30.000 Kandahar tribesmen destroyed the entire safavid dynasty and conquered the Whole of Iran and Afghanistan. This is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not even Sun tzu's campaign is equal or close to it.

Once Kandahar fell to Hotak the Safavid in desparation kept sending reinforcement to recapture it quickly but everything send was destroyed by Mirwais Hotak and his small outnumbered tribesmen who eventually had so much success that they decided to march into Iran and capture the capital and Isfahan.

The odds was like 1000000:1
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Aside from all that what is the real cause of this bizarre events and defeats?

the answer is moral? The people are kept against their will in Iran and they never tend to be true to their roots. example when ever they leave Iran most Iranians leave Islam and denounce their citizenship. The Iranians have historically been good at adminstration and just basically traders and war has not been for them and achieved much of their success thru adminstration and slave forces.

They are not true to what they stand for so there is always lack of motivation to fall back on when the going gets tough.

In today's modern Iran the same issues are there. The people just want someone to cause regime change whether it comes from inside or outside and they seek economical gains rather then being in line with the Mullah regime as you saw recent demonstrations against the regime due to economical crisis.

In all areas Iran is a paper-tiger and much smaller neighbouring countries can upset them at any given time.

If you think militarily and equipment wise even smaller neighbouring nations such as UAE can upset them by claiming air-dominance while being better equipped overall and just being ruthless by destroying big cities and infrastructure could upset and de-moralize them.

THAAD and other forms of anti-missiles will limit them while they will definitely lose the air-dominance. So they will have to resort to manpads and anti-tanks because they will definitely lose firepower advantage. The key for them will be defensive wall and that can only work if the attacking country is not aggressive because if they are then they can level much of the cities to the ground and try to do as much as possible damage.

Israel can overcome Iran in a 1v1 type of war without any asistance

Israel showed us in 1967 they can fight and push real hard. Neighbor arab countries couldn't hold them. Only egypt did some recovery later on in the war.

Israel is under very wise guidance. Never underestimate them. Despite their tiny size.

 

[925boy]

50-100 years is not long enough to be counted?

A century is roughly 5-6 generations...

Just to give you some perspective, if someone occupies Iran today and the occupation ends in the year 2119, would you consider it trivial?

You are correct, IF we use personal/human years/time. But when you talk about countries, 50 years will translate to about 10 personal years or something like that. All i,m saying is that 50 years isnt a long time when we are looking at a country via a national/ state timeframe.

 

[coffee_cup]

Iranirans ruled the world for entire history and only got three minor defeat.
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Iranians ruled the world for entire history?

How long do you define the "entire history"? And what is the "world" for you?

Please enlighten us.

And being defeated and ruled by a small minority for 100 years is NOT a small defeat. Just saying.

 

[925boy]

Israel showed us in 1967 they can fight and push real hard.

Because their survival was at stake, literally.

Neighbor arab countries couldn't hold them. Only egypt did some recovery later on in the war.

Because Arabs, sorry semites in general, arent good warriors. facts!

Israel is under very wise guidance. Never underestimate them. Despite their tiny size.

True. Sometimes all u need is the right ally/alliance. Look at Assad- he only survived because Syria had the "right" allies.

 

[Mithridates]

you can't beat iran with military that's historical fact, even if we fall we will rise again. in all cases that you said, we lost because we were too much proud also another factor which was involved was religion, religion and it's weird morals leaded to our fall. we need leaders like nader shah and agha mohammad khan qajar people who do what needed to do. we need leaders who recognize our need to nuke and have the gut to press the button when it's needed.
a funny fact, if you want to weaken us relieve the pressure. under pressure we grow.

apart from what i said above, uae would get toasted if try to do anything against us. US patriots have the ability to engage with 9 targets simultaneously we just have to shoot 10 missiles for a single target. even if they could to hit our 9 missiles we will take out the target on the ground. i abort discussing about our superior navy and ground force and our airborne divisions that can put light tanks behind enemy lines (only army in western asia) and our powerful air defence force. and finally due to arabs hostility toward iranian expats, we may be forced to capture half of uae to secure our fellow iranian lives like what turkey did to northern cyprus.

 

[Hack-Hook]

That's what the Greek historians of a retreating Alexander army reported!
The spear which was thrown at Alexander was drenched in poison

they say months after his victories in Pakistan and India he was wanted to continue his conquest eastward but his troop were tired and wanted to go back so they mutineered and he had to come back for that he choose a southerly route that was passing through desert of kerman tat was resulted in the loss of more than half of his trop so (the passing of that desert and reaching Persepolis alone according to those historian took more than 2 month there at passargad he stayed for some times and he severely punished the guards who had stolen from the tomb of Cyrus the great and stayed for some time then moved toward babylon which took at least as long as reaching Persepolis from India , there he took several policies that seriously offended the Macedonian and greak soldiers who were withhim , e stayed there for some times and participate in a feast and drink to much in that feast and fall ill and after that his condition worsened and after 2-3 weak he did .
hissign were consistent with thyfoids , meningitis and some slow poison.

well can you tell me which poison could kill after one year that your brave boy laced his spear with ?

Seems like Iran has been a cake walk for everyone even some afghan rag tag tribal lords overrun it . What a travesty

sorry guys I've nothing against Pakistan but this padavan is strong in bulshit and needs to learn something against history and incidentally history is one of my favorite subjects.

@Mentee do you like me to describe every time we attacked India in detail here ? you knew our path to India always was cake walking through Pakistan

Well if we assume the article true then we could conclude that at least Persians have been present all the time what about them? and despite wars Persia have been always able to revive again ... the reason behind Macedonia triumph Persia was Persia civilization, pluralism & good governance that led Macedonia to flourish & thrive becoming a problem for Iran

the reason is also that Achameniched didn't took Macedonia threat seriously and even in second war with macedonia after his defeat hey have recorded in history that achamanechide king said I now understood the number of troops is very important in defeating the enemy.

On Safavid well they managed to retake Iranian islands from Spain in Persian gulf

a small correction , the Portuguese took those island from Spain , and we took the Island back from Portuguese .

 

[macnurv]

Iran has historically been the only country who boosts the record for the biggest military upsets in human history.

In 3 occasions biggest military upsets in human history happened in Iran and now I want to explain why this happened and why this will most likely happen again in any form of future military struggle.

1: Macedonia vs Persia in the battle of Issus

The Persians outnumber the enemy by a large margin. 40.850 vs 600.000

2: Umar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb vs Persia

Battle of Firaz: 15.000 vs 150.000

Battle of Nahāvand: 30.000 120.000

At this point in time it was a norm to see a larger Iranian forces to fall into shock defeats where the odds was heavily in their favor.

3: Mirwais Hotak vs Safavid dynasty

This one is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not that 300 movie which was fake but this one was real and authentic event that took place. A tiny tribe from Kandahar conquered the whole of Iran and this happened just a little less then 300 years ago in the 17th century.

The safavid dysnasty controlled western part of Afghanistan and whole of Iran but what happened is that they arrested a youth called Mirwais Hotak and later he and his tribe revolted and this tiny harmless revolt led by 30.000 Kandahar tribesmen destroyed the entire safavid dynasty and conquered the Whole of Iran and Afghanistan. This is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not even Sun tzu's campaign is equal or close to it.

Once Kandahar fell to Hotak the Safavid in desparation kept sending reinforcement to recapture it quickly but everything send was destroyed by Mirwais Hotak and his small outnumbered tribesmen who eventually had so much success that they decided to march into Iran and capture the capital and Isfahan.

The odds was like 1000000:1
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Aside from all that what is the real cause of this bizarre events and defeats?

the answer is moral? The people are kept against their will in Iran and they never tend to be true to their roots. example when ever they leave Iran most Iranians leave Islam and denounce their citizenship. The Iranians have historically been good at adminstration and just basically traders and war has not been for them and achieved much of their success thru adminstration and slave forces.

They are not true to what they stand for so there is always lack of motivation to fall back on when the going gets tough.

In today's modern Iran the same issues are there. The people just want someone to cause regime change whether it comes from inside or outside and they seek economical gains rather then being in line with the Mullah regime as you saw recent demonstrations against the regime due to economical crisis.

In all areas Iran is a paper-tiger and much smaller neighbouring countries can upset them at any given time.

If you think militarily and equipment wise even smaller neighbouring nations such as UAE can upset them by claiming air-dominance while being better equipped overall and just being ruthless by destroying big cities and infrastructure could upset and de-moralize them.

THAAD and other forms of anti-missiles will limit them while they will definitely lose the air-dominance. So they will have to resort to manpads and anti-tanks because they will definitely lose firepower advantage. The key for them will be defensive wall and that can only work if the attacking country is not aggressive because if they are then they can level much of the cities to the ground and try to do as much as possible damage.

Israel can overcome Iran in a 1v1 type of war without any asistance

Dude what you had been smoking? Whatever it is you need to stop smoking it right now because it had made you a complete lunatic with no link to reality.

I was hoping to read something which I though would be interesting but instead all I found were bunch of platitudes. There is no way Israel can defeat Iran even in next 1000 years if they go toe to toe. All Israel hopes is for US to do the dirty work of putting boots on the ground, if you thought Iraq was bad, compared to Iran it will feel like a cake walk.
So stop being an utter retard, and making such non-sense up.

 

[nahtanbob]

Israel is no position to conquer Iran. Israel is trying to survive. Iran real threat is indirect. As Iran becomes more powerful it puts pressure on Iran's neighbors and other regional powers to shape up. Saudis, Turks, Iraq's and Egypt's of the world have to become better states. There lies to threat to the state of Israel.

 

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[Max]

Why would Israel want to fight Iran? Both are secret allies, their interest is to destroy Arabs like Saddam.