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I came across this article by Shireen Mazari in another thread. What caught my eye was that huge sums of money were being spent to find out what major generals and brigadiers thought about foreign investment in Pakistan. Why on earth would people sitting in the pentagon be interested in the viewpoints of up and coming military leaders on foreign investment? What is going on here, are they trying to figure out who in the pak military is most openminded about letting their country get looted? :sick:


America: dubious ally or outright enemy?

Wednesday, June 18, 2008
Shireen M Mazari

What have we been reduced to as a result of our successive leaderships' kowtowing to the US post-9/11? What many of us had feared and written about at the time seems to have come true -- be it the growing US intrusions into our territory or the periodic diatribes from the US against Dr A.Q. Khan whenever they feel Pakistan needs to be put under pressure. However, nothing reflects our state's sovereign bankruptcy as much as the audacious threats issued by Afghanistan's Karzai of sending in his Afghan Army into Pakistan to take out "militants" and "terrorists." Here is a man who barely has power in his own capital, Kabul, and has hundreds of occupation forces from the US and NATO -- not to mention some Arab contingents from the Gulf states -- and he is actually threatening Pakistan, a country with a massive conventional military, and nuclear capability to boot.

Herein lies the irony of Pakistan's predicament post-9/11. Our military seems to have no stomach for fighting the violations of our sovereignty by the US and its allies. That has emboldened the US and they now feel they can target the Pakistani security forces directly -- as they did in March 2008 in Bajaur, and more recently last week in the Mohmand Agency which left 11 FC men dead, apart from the civilians that are a constant target of US and NATO forces -- especially as their frustration has grown over their lack of success in Afghanistan.

Since the war began in Afghanistan, one has seen only whimpers of protest from the Pakistani military and the government in response to brazen attacks on Pakistani soil by US/NATO forces in which many innocent Pakistani civilians have died. Sheltering behind these forces are the ragtag members of the "Afghan Army" -- which Karzai now wants to send into Pakistan! Karzai, whose security forces stood helpless in the face of a massive prison break, actually thinks the Pakistani military is so weak that the same ineffectual security forces can simply march into our country and carry out military actions against our people.

Our government, and our military, have reduced us to a laughingstock --– a joke of a nation that can be pushed around militarily by all and sundry. The point is, if our military is unwilling or unable to fight those who violate our sovereignty and kill our people, then what is the purpose of continuing to beef up and support this expensive organisation? Here we were thinking our investment in nuclear weapons and updating of conventional weapon systems would ensure that our borders were secure and any military threat from anywhere would be dealt with effectively by the Pakistan military. Yet nothing of the sort has happened. Instead, we continue to be subject to US military attacks as and when they choose. From all accounts, they do not bother to inform us either till after the event. And all we do is whimper a few protests.

When will we realise that if the US targets our territory it must surely fall into the category of "enemy" and be given a military response -- even if it is symbolic to begin with. The "enemy" within -- that is the militants -- we have to dialogue with, since they are our people and we need to bring them into the mainstream. As pointed out in earlier columns, all other countries have done the same. But we must also be cognisant of the far more dangerous enemy outside -- that is the US with its long-term hostile intentions towards Pakistan. Our leaders, who are surviving, or have come to power on deals brokered by the US, must be exposed and compelled to disown these deals and respond to the needs of the nation.

Increasingly, the hostile intent of the US towards Pakistan is becoming more overt as the Americans become more emboldened in the face of the vacillating and whimpering Pakistani ruling elite.

President Bush effectively endorsed Karzai's threat by trying to rationalise it. Worse still, the US has now declared that Dr Khan must not be released. On what authority can they make such demands, except that we have given up much of our sovereign space to them willy-nilly? Our rulers, and little differentiates one lot from another in terms of their efforts to fool the people while catering to their own coteries of sycophants, can hail abuse and threats on their local rivals or oppositional forces, but almost no substantive backbone is visible in the face of abuse from external enemies disguised as "allies," such as the US.

Where else but in Pakistan would the defence minister simply declare that we cannot give a military response to US attacks against our country? He is the same man who also declared that the US was not attacking us because they were using pilotless drones! Yet his party leader, Zardari, also declared in Lahore, if the press report is taken as correct, that the PPP "had the potential to, both give and take life." So once again, more bombast and once again derision of the people's will that was clearly reflected in the Long March. As for Governor Taseer's or Rehman Malik's efforts to try and play a numbers' game in order to undermine the people's force that was displayed in the march, the less said the better, given that neither individual has much credibility. We, the people, know the strength and camaraderie of the nation that was present in the Long March since we were all there and had the privilege to feel the hope, commitment and faith even the most downtrodden, alongside the most privileged, have in the notion of an independent judiciary.

But coming back to the strange servility our rulers continue to show in the face of foreign abuse, it is not just the US and Afghanistan that feel they can ride roughshod over us. While Zardari sends flowers to V P Singh, and our human rights' groups advocate pardons and release of Indian prisoners, including Indian spies, the Indian state continues to kill Pakistani prisoners and send their dead bodies back through Wagah. So while Indian prisoners go across Wagah garlanded from the Pakistani side, Pakistani prisoners come in wooden caskets, often with their body parts missing. Is this what the Pakistani state regards as reciprocity? Why has the Foreign Office not taken a strong position on this count? If the foreign minister would take some time to be in Islamabad, perhaps he would be more effective in protecting the interests of the Pakistani people and nation -- instead of only showing concern for the Afghans, and so on. He should know that he has enough time to project himself internationally once he has taken care of poor Pakistani lives.

But it appears that, as always, Pakistani lives come cheap and no one in the state structures is prepared to fight for them -- not the leadership and, unfortunately, not the military. As for the US, there are many dangerous developments that need to be put together to understand the long-term threat from this power. Many of us have been writing for many years now that the US is seeking to destroy the organisation of the military in Pakistan, as well as breaking up the country, given that our nuclear capability and our ideological moorings in terms of historically supporting Muslim causes have never sat well with the US.

If anyone still thinks that the publication of "Blood Borders," in which the breakup of Pakistan and Iran was a central contention, in the US Army Journal a few years earlier was an aberration, what do you make of a US consultancy firm, Ergo Advisors, paying high rates to Pakistani analysts, to give them intimate data on Pakistani army officers of the ranks of major general and brigadier from the armoured, infantry and engineers. The questions they were asking were pinpointed and dealt with family backgrounds, views on "secularism" vs Islamism, foreign investment, war on terror, future promotion prospects, age and so on. Now one wonders who would want such extensive information and for what purpose?

It is time we re-examined whether the US is really an "ally" or a dangerous enemy.

The writer is a defence analyst. Email: callstr@hotmail.com
 
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No it does not. Even using the highest figures as claimed in Ayesha Siddiqa's thesis around MilBus, the total assets of the Pakistani armed forces are said to be around $10 billion. That is chump change and certainly nothing substantial from an economic standpoint. To say that they control the economy is wrong!
 
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My own suspicion is that the US wants to separate the pakistani govt(not necessarily the army), pakistani tycoons and pakistani based corporations from the pakistan economy itself. In other words to have multinationals corps gaining a lot of power within pakistan rather than homegrown businesses and consortiums such as what happened with malaysia. The malaysians are benefitting tremendously by not relying too heavily on foreign investments. In fact they themselves are investing overseas with some of their companies.
 
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No it does not. Even using the highest figures as claimed in Ayesha Siddiqa's thesis around MilBus, the total assets of the Pakistani armed forces are said to be around $10 billion. That is chump change and certainly nothing substantial from an economic standpoint. To say that they control the economy is wrong!

Which military in the world has that much of assets?

Which military in the world has a stake in every field of the economy as does Pakistani Army?

Which military has such a clout in governance as the Pakistani Army?

So, give all a break.
 
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Much as I despise certain characteristics of army rule in pakistan I would much rather the army own greater shares in the pakistan economy than oil sheiks, "international banks" or other "foreign investors" from wherever. At least it belongs to locals who will be staying in Pakistan generation after generation. Foreign investors on the other hand just invest in lucrative niches in order to loot profits and take them out of pakistan.
 
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Which military in the world has that much of assets?

Which military in the world has a stake in every field of the economy as does Pakistani Army?

Which military has such a clout in governance as the Pakistani Army?

So, give all a break.


The usual tirade :rolleyes:

There is a distinction between the "fauji" foundation and the Pakistan Army. But for most outsiders, the word "fauji" connects the two. These foundations don't report to GHQ Rawalpindi. I hope you understand that. The purse strings for this supposed number of $10 billion (as imagined by Ayesha Siddiqa has been contested and is in no way established as the truth) do not rest with the Pakistan Army, Navy or Air Force. There is a foundation led and manned by ex-servicemen. Its a private entity that is not funded or subsidized by the Government or the Armed forces of Pakistan.

Also Pakistan Army is not the only military in the world which has a say in the governance. I am sure you can find a few more examples of such if you look around.

A little bit of research would not hurt before claiming things:

Fauji Foundation

Overall Fauji, Shaheen and Bahria foundations are real assets. They have done immense service to the country and to the countless servicemen and their dependents over the past many decades.
 
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^^^the following armies of the world come to mind. Turkey, Indonesia, Thailand and even the US Army.
 
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Hello Pakistanis,

Play the game smart and wisely. Why does it take so long for you people to realize who is your friend and foe ? Your people have been suffering because you let it happen. Fellow friends. wake up and educate all the Pakistanis.

For 500 years you lert the guard down. Your own people contributed to make your enemy powerful and invincible. Lots of Gaddars among you. Before the time runs out please send every Pakistani kid to the school. Let them acquire knowledge on every branch of science and master and finally apply for your survival , honor and dignity and above all, for the sake of humanity.
Be unite and never ever let your guard down. Pakistan, you will be a propsperous nation.
Long live! Pakistan and her people.
 
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Hello Pakistanis,

Play the game smart and wisely. Why does it take so long for you people to realize who is your friend and foe ? Your people have been suffering because you let it happen. Fellow friends. wake up and educate all the Pakistanis.

For 500 years you lert the guard down. Your own people contributed to make your enemy powerful and invincible. Lots of Gaddars among you. Before the time runs out please send every Pakistani kid to the school. Let them acquire knowledge on every branch of science and master and finally apply for your survival , honor and dignity and above all, for the sake of humanity.
Be unite and never ever let your guard down. Pakistan, you will be a propsperous nation.
Long live! Pakistan and her people.

Good advice! :tup:
 
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Because Pakistani Army Foundation controls the economy!

The Fauji Foundation and sister foundations have combined asset of around $20 billion dollars worth, they are run by active officers and servicemen.
 
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The Fauji Foundation and sister foundations have combined asset of around $20 billion dollars worth, they are run by active officers and servicemen.

If that indeed is true then there is a lesson to be learned for the rest of the government and indeed the whole of pakistan. Do you see the fauji foundation selling its cereal factories to "foreign investors" because some overseas company can run it better and loot the profits better? No you don't because they want to make sure that profits are used for the benefit of Pakistanis, not Saudi Sheikhs or British Banking consortiums.

While the whole of Pakistan is in a race to sell of every single piece of itself to looters and converting the entire country into bhangee slaves at least these people have some sanity.

In fact I hope they are planning on expanding to $200 billion dollars in assets because I would rather have it in their hands than in the hands of someone who plans on selling assets off at pennies on the dollar to overseas investors for a little bribe money or just out of pure insanity.
 
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The Fauji Foundation and sister foundations have combined asset of around $20 billion dollars worth, they are run by active officers and servicemen.

I assume most of the information coming to you is by way of Ayesha Siddiqa's book, correct?

It may be worthwhile for you to look at the link I provided and see the leadership of the FF and its board of directors (all civvies or retired).

They have the books (financials) available here:
Fauji Foundation
 
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the Fauji foundation does not rule the economy i think it is idiotic to even think that pakistans may not have that big of an economy but it is not small enough to be controlled by the army and a couple of companies. i can go into detail but it would waste to much time.
Maqsad
my friend we allow foreign investors to buy assets because they have the capital to buy them and they bring new technologies and management techniques to the country that eventually seep into the economy. if these companies then make more profit as you say then they try to expand their enterprise which also helps improve the economy so my friend in the age that we live in becoming a isolationist is a very dangerous thought and i think in the eventual cost benefit analysis we will be on the right side inshallah.:pakistan:
 
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Kidwaibhai, most foreign investment in Pakistan is in banking, telecommunications and wireless. The reason for these investments is because of the high returns, in other words the investors get to loot very high amounts of profit. No benefits have "seeped through" into the pakistani economy from these main three investment niches. I am not an isolationist, I support investments which benefit pakistan such as all the german investment in sialkot for instance and the chinese investments in aerospace tech, the joint JF-17 project. What I do not support is investments where pakistanis get ripped off.
 
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