Why Is Pakistan More Legitimate than Israel?

[Azz Kikr]

What a pathetic argument.
Jews were not indigenous to Israel.
Jews themselves migrated to Israel in history.
Many of them converted to Islam after Islamic conquest.
Christians also call Jerusalem their holy land and fought crusades for it.
Going by your pathetic logic, Sikhs should declare Lahore as their homeland and make an independent Lahore.

only muslims are indigenous to all place in the world and rest of people are not. the history tells us that the muslims have been the worst encroaches in the history of human beings. another thing, Punjab is land of khalsa and not the land of muslims, you people are just as illegals as the palestinians are.

 

[Hiptullha]

Pakistan is like Israel, an ideological state. Take out the Judaism from Israel and it will fall like a house of cards. Take Islam out of Pakistan and make it a secular state; it would collapse.
-- Zia ul-Haq, Pakistan's ruler, December 1981

Israel is a secular Jewish state, though. You use a religious fundamentalist (the kind you detest) to prove your point? Because the fundie said Pakistan is an Islamic state, he is correct because fundies represent Pakistan, said the Indian whose founding party allied with Jamatis to prevent Partition....

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You know they say exchange of ideas brings understanding etc. However maybe it is just me but more I read stuff here the more I despise Indians ......

The shear bullcrap and stupidity all mixed in hate for Pakistan I think there is no chance of any peace between India and Pak. In fact I am against any idea of peace with India.

and as regards Isreali's I think Dravidian India should have been wiped off the face of earth and Jews allowed to set up homeland. Then we would have have Yindooland and peace !

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Since 9/11 there has been a tidal wave of resentment against Muslims in the Western world which unfortunatly has still not abated. From USA, to Canada acroos to UK and Europe, across to the antipodies, Australian and New Zealand even Japan or South Korea all have fallen to the fever pitch of 'Muslims bad'.

There is no magical solution to this Islamaphobia but that is not to say there is a intelligent way to counter this challenging environment we face. The way is to approach this in a sane, rational and intelligent manner thus slowly you will disarm those who in the west hold negative opinions of us. However whatever we do we must not give succour to our enemies and be advised when I say 'we' I mean Pakistan.

1. The Indian's have jumped and taken a piggyback ride on the back of westerners and this is apparent as you will see they will act more 'gora' then 'gora' themselves when most of these low life achoots are anything but 'gora'. Thus they will almost use the language of extreme right wing Neo-Nazis and talk about 'Muslim's as if they are German's taking about a sub human race. So delusional are these Indian's that they forget to look at a mirror to see their own faces.

In other forums I have seen them piggyback riding westerners about Muslim breeding like rats. This coming from Indian's whose population is enough to ballast the entire muslim world. However the point being is these Indian's actually use the language and the discourse of western xenophobia and Islamaphbia. All this is done to win extra leverage from the west against Pakistan. To put it bluntly the Indian's harvest this Islamaphobia for one reason only - to use against Pakistan. This is done crudely by some and done more subtly by animals like Fareed Zakaria to disparage Pakistan.

2. As a extention of the former they also piggyback the Isreali's. The Indian's know the Jewish influence in the world is matchless. So they play the 'Zionist' card by being more Isreali then Isreali's. This is to milch the Jews. Thus I see Indian's going around calling themselves 'Yindoo' a obvious referance to Hindoo and Yehud. This particular thread is typical example of using Isreal to disparage Pakistan.

Pakistani's the way to react to this is be sensible. If you start firing at the West and Isreal your actually doing the very thing they want. That allows the Indians then to piggyback both the Western camp and Isreal. What we Pakistan must do is focus on India only. It is simpole economics. Concentrate firepower on one target. We have no beef with Isreal or the West.

Pakistan Army has fought three wars. Who with? Who do you think Pak Army trains to fight against? Don't any retard say USA or west. If that is so why do our army generals buy US F-16s and other US or western weapons? So be smart about this.

 

[Hiptullha]

You know they say exchange of ideas brings understanding etc. However maybe it is just me but more I read stuff here the more I despise Indians ......

The shear bullcrap and stupidity all mixed in hate for Pakistan I think there is no chance of any peace between India and Pak. In fact I am against any idea of peace with India.

I've spent my life around Indians and they're great, kind, and honest people. Unfortunately, this forum is populated by a bunch of slum-dwellers.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I've spent my life around Indians and they're great, kind, and honest people. Unfortunately, this forum is populated by a bunch of slum-dwellers.

I disagree. I have dealt with them as well one to one they are fine. However they harbour hatred for our polity. The moment I have discussed anything political the venom pours out ever so gently but its there all the same .....

Most I have met are mild and weak and won't say things in your face but collectively they will hate Pakistan. How else do you get their leadership acting the way they do?

 

[Hiptullha]

I disagree. I have dealt with them as well one to one they are fine. However they harbour hatred for our polity. The moment I have discussed anything political the venom pours out ever so gently but its there all the same .....

Most I have met are mild and weak and won't say things in your face but collectively they will hate Pakistan. How else do you get their leadership acting the way they do?

Well, I don't know what kind of Indians you've been talking with (I've spoken with Gulf expatriates) who are no where near as obsessed as they are portrayed here.
I think it's wrong to judge people based on stereotypes like "they collectively hate Pakistan" because that is exactly why there's bad blood between our two nations.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I would rather a person is honest. If he does not like me say so. Not smile, talk, laugh, call me brother and then shaft me from behind. The reality is Pak and India are enemies. No smiles and sweet talk is going to paper that over. Time we accepted this bitter reality that we we can focus on our issues and not muck around. Know your enemy !!!

At every point of Pakistan's misfortune these 'kind people' will celebrate' at every good turn of even these Indian's will fire with anger and jealousy. They wish us bad ...

 

[Levina]

You use a religious fundamentalist (the kind you detest) to prove your point?

What was my point???
I comprehend surfeit of vacuousnes in your post.

Because the fundie said Pakistan is an Islamic state, he is correct because fundies represent Pakistan, said the Indian whose founding party allied with Jamatis to prevent Partition....

Oh!!
Re-read my post you've misconstrued it. Lol

You know they say exchange of ideas brings understanding etc. However maybe it is just me but more I read stuff here the more I despise Indians ......

Ditto!!
Only the last word in the sentence can be exchanged with a name that starts with A and ends with zee.

The shear bullcrap

Ewww!

and stupidity all mixed in hate for Pakistan I think there is no chance of any peace between India and Pak.

Oh!
You're a pessimist sir.
I'm sanguine that there's a possibility. I've been training many of your men and I for one know that not many think like you...thankfully!

in fact I am against any idea of peace with India.

You're being impractical. For its own good Pakistan should make peace with India. Japan and America should be an example for us.

and as regards Isreali's I think Dravidian India should have been wiped off the face of earth

Dravidan India (as you call it) was the first to welcome Islam in 629AD. A Hindu king called Cheruman Perumal allowed a mosque to be built in his country. It is now known as the Cheruman masjid, the first mosque to be built in the sub continent.

 

[Hiptullha]

What was my point???
I comprehend surfeit of vacuousnes in your post.

Oh!!
Re-read my post you've misconstrued it. Lol

Pakistan is not an "Islamic" state and neither was it formed on the "basis of Islam". Same with Israel. There were plenty of Secular Jews who proposed a Jewish homeland.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You hardly think they are going to show their true nature toward you in your face? How about asking if they would like to see Kashmir problem sorted by giving the Kashmiri plebicite and see the reaction?

Talk about the cause of il feeling between Pak and India and watch the reaction. If most Indian's supported a solution of kashmir trust me by now it would be sorted out.

And if you do indeed [ or other Pak citizens ] think that India's are sorted why may I ask you are we a dirt poor country taking food out of poor peoples mouths to service a huge army? If people indeed believe Indian's are sorted then somebody needs to tell Gen. Raheel Sharif to gewt rid of couple of armoured divisions, get rid of half of the F-16 fleet, stop making more nuclear weapons and spend the billions of dollars on uplifting our poor?

This can't be some joke? We justify billions on keeping a gargantuan military for what? so we can have great shows on defence day? I assume we spend that money because we justify it on the real and present danger from India. After all you don't need mass armoured divisions against Taliban.

I smell a stink ... a most disagreeable stink. I am off ............

 

[Levina]

Pakistan is not an "Islamic" state and

Hmm
Unfortunately these prove you wrong

neither was it formed on the "basis of Islam".

,Same with Israel. There were plenty of Secular Jews who proposed a Jewish homeland.

I don't believe there's any comparison.
Pakistan and Israel 're as different as Palestine and Kashmir.

 

[kaku1]

Most I have met are mild and weak and won't say things in your face but collectively they will hate Pakistan. How else do you get their leadership acting the way they do?

Yes, actually we are coward evil yindoo baniya, what you expect more from us.

But, Pakistani people, they are true gods. @UKBengali You should accept that?

You hardly think they are going to show their true nature toward you in your face? How about asking if they would like to see Kashmir problem sorted by giving the Kashmiri plebicite and see the reaction?

And why India do that?

 

[Hiptullha]

Hmm
Unfortunately these prove you wrong

North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice the official name of North Korea.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Do you now rely on names to make a complete assessment of why the country was formed?

I don't believe there's any comparison.
Pakistan and Israel 're as different as Palestine and Kashmir.

But the striking similarity between the 2 countries is that both were formed in the basis of religion.
Moral of the story: Use of religion as the foundation of a country is perilous.

You made the comparison. And you were wrong in both cases.

 

[Levina]

North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice the official name of North Korea.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Do you now rely on names to make a complete assessment of why the country was formed?

Well I told you why I concluded what I concluded.

You made the comparison. And you were wrong in both cases.

I also said this...

I don't think there's anything common between Israel and Pakistan.