Why is Israel So Successful Against Arab Armies

[Falcon29]

This has been gone over many times and everyone stated what was needed to be said. One thing the morale of Israeli troops in the past was better. Today, if under attack by an organized army, the army will not perform well. They rely a lot on other aspects of the military. And war philosophy is similar to US war philosophy, trying to limit casualties and using much firepower. Although US army is better army for invading and ground operations. If Israel's Air Force is neutralized, they will capitulate quickly. Assuming an army is attacking them. Israel can't invade other nations anymore like it did in the past. Unless it receives US commitment of intelligence, financial and military support.

Israel fighting for its survival.Do or die.Every citizen is proud soldier in Israel.Mean while arbs are divided on basis shia and sunni.Most are ruled by autocratic leader and selfish kings who just fool there people in the name of Islam without proper vision of future.

Israel is not fighting for it's survival, it never did. At best you can try making that case in 48, but Arab's never had any such intention in 48 either. After 48, there were no wars, except refusal by Arabs to indirectly support Israel by tolerating status quo. They didn't want war but also didn't want to aid Israel. Because of this, Israel with support of some nations began attacking Arab nations like Egypt in 56. 1967 was also war declared by Israel to annex territories. Arabs by 67 did not want to deal with the conflict, they wanted to settle it and expected that to occur soon. Israel took advantage of that position to annex West Bank , Golan and Gaza. In 1973, Egypt wanted to restore its land back. Once again, nothing here about 'fighting for survival'. People fighting for their survival at are at disadvantage and struggling, like the Palestinians or Vietnamese of the past. Israel was fighting to secure interests ahead of its future. It got the best assurances from the West, who saw it as extension of Western culture in the Middle East. Thus they backed it with all forms of support, including nuclear weapons programs. And it didn't need to militarily intervene.

Also Arab nations have issues with system of governance. Most of the governments don't value military and center their philosophy around internal security. Like Jordan, Lebanon, UAE, etc.... They are simply not interested in forming formidable armies and most don't governments don't see Palestinian issue as significant. So unless an Arab Union is formed in the near future or an Arab-Islamic union, they will not be able to deter Israel from anything. They need each other and have to work with each other if they want to deter Israeli-EU-US axis in the region. Some EU nations of course, like UK, France, Germany, etc....

And even, the objectives would be to deter Israel and secure Palestinian state. No Arabs mind Israeli's living along side Arabs as long as Palestinians are granted independence.

PS: Arabs have to pursue nuclear weapons programs once they feel confident they can secure such a program from any military intervention

 

[M.SAAD]

Because Arab armies were unorganized and were poorly led into the battlefield with almost no battlefield strategy , thus they payed the price against a highly disciplined and organized ,determined force .


Also the Israelis were literally fighting for their existence , and that brought the best outta them in the war..

 

[EpiiC]

Israel will continue to be successful against People who do not value education like them.

 

[Ilay]

This has been gone over many times and everyone stated what was needed to be said. One thing the morale of Israeli troops in the past was better. Today, if under attack by an organized army, the army will not perform well. They rely a lot on other aspects of the military. And war philosophy is similar to US war philosophy, trying to limit casualties and using much firepower. Although US army is better army for invading and ground operations. If Israel's Air Force is neutralized, they will capitulate quickly. Assuming an army is attacking them. Israel can't invade other nations anymore like it did in the past. Unless it receives US commitment of intelligence, financial and military support.

You said it your-self: limiting casualties. Yet just because the IDF isn't willing to take high risks anymore doesn't mean that it is by any means less deadly or less advanced then ever before. The doctrine of warfare will not matter if the cabinet is limiting the army to a point.

 

[EpiiC]

Because Arab armies were unorganized and were poorly led into the battlefield with almost no battlefield strategy , thus they payed the price against a highly disciplined and organized ,determined force .


Also the Israelis were literally fighting for their existence , and that brought the best outta them in the war..

Arabs didn't learn their lesson in 1947-8 wars neither the six day war or 1973 war.... failure after failure against a much smaller nation....

 

[Falcon29]

You said it your-self: limiting casualties. Yet just because the IDF isn't willing to take high risks anymore doesn't mean that it is by any means less deadly or less advanced then ever before. The doctrine of warfare will not matter if the cabinet is limiting the army to a point.

It's deadliness relies a lot on Air Force and Armor. So I'm not taking that away from them, just saying the flaws will be exposed if Air Force is neutralized. Also world order is largely set today, so ground invasions of nations is not going to be a common occurrence anymore. And will achieve nothing but high costs for said nations. Really Arabs can rely on economic/diplomatic warfare but they are not in a position to do that with the current conditions.

Arabs didn't learn their lesson in 1947-8 wars neither the six day war or 1973 war.... failure after failure against a much smaller nation....

It's not really that small, and being small with good geography can be a good advantage. Keep in mind much of the border with Israel with some Arab nations if uninhabited desert. Arabs had just gained independence from French/British and hardly had any organizational structure in their states. Most of those who had assumed power were clan/tribal based. Really no sane person would have expected Arabs to deter Israel.

 

[EpiiC]

It's deadliness relies a lot on Air Force and Armor. So I'm not taking that away from them, just saying the flaws will be exposed if Air Force is neutralized. Also world order is largely set today, so ground invasions of nations is not going to be a common occurrence anymore. And will achieve nothing but high costs for said nations. Really Arabs can rely on economic/diplomatic warfare but they are not in a position to do that with the current conditions.



It's not really that small, and being small with good geography can be a good advantage. Keep in mind much of the border with Israel with some Arab nations if uninhabited desert. Arabs had just gained independence from French/British and hardly had any organizational structure in their states. Most of those who had assumed power were clan/tribal based. Really no sane person would have expected Arabs to deter Israel.

Israel very strong now, ICBM's, submarines with nuclear tipped missiles, F-35......Much harder to defeat them now than it was back then.

 

[Falcon29]

Israel very strong now, ICBM's, submarines with nuclear tipped missiles, F-35......Much harder to defeat them now than it was back then.

No one is trying to 'defeat' Israel today, so not sure why you're playing out such scenarios. If in the future Arabs wanted to deter Israel and force two state solution, they could find ways to counter Israel. It will not be in a traditional manner.

Nuclear weapons don't matter in this equation.

 

[EpiiC]

No one is trying to 'defeat' Israel today, so not sure why you're playing out such scenarios. If in the future Arabs wanted to deter Israel and force two state solution, they could find ways to counter Israel. It will not be in a traditional manner.

Nuclear weapons don't matter in this equation.

Very unlikely that they will be able to deter Israel.... They really are fragile nations...

 

[Falcon29]

Very unlikely that they will be able to deter Israel.... They really are fragile nations...

Of course, you need to keep in mind that many Arab states have economical and political ties with Israel. Many are security states that philosophy centered around internal security/insurgency. They are not matured politically and current system of governance is not adequate to be an influential nation. Arab states need a complete overhaul if they wish to dominate the region and deter Israel or Western interests in the region in the future. Hence it's confusing why people keep playing this scenario of Arabs vs Israel when there is no current state of enmity.

 

[EpiiC]

Of course, you need to keep in mind that many Arab states have economical and political ties with Israel. Many are security states that philosophy centered around internal security/insurgency. They are not matured politically and current system of governance is not adequate to be an influential nation. Arab states need a complete overhaul if they wish to dominate the region and deter Israel or Western interests in the region in the future. Hence it's confusing why people keep playing this scenario of Arabs vs Israel when there is no current state of enmity.

Regarding better relations then yh last few years Israeli and some Arab nations have come closer, but they still weaker than Israel and regarding OP the answer is better education and better military personnel including better morale and intelligence.

 

[The SC]

Two very important facts that played/still play against Usrael..

1) The unfairness of the war and its loss of credibility:

The strategic thinker Karl von Clausewitz has argued that war is a material and moral struggle, and that moral forces may balance the inequality of material forces. Thus, it is not enough for the war to be fought by coercive material means, but for the cause for which the war is fought must be a just and credible case. This does not mean that the ideal of the invading force is to achieve victory will be achieved, nor that the justice of the cause of the opposite side can defeat it; if people surrender to the justice of their causes and demands. What it means, and it is believed from Clausewitz realistic military vision is that the existence of moral reasons on one side of the conflict motivates him to unleash his energies and capabilities to push the aggression, Clausewitz also recognized that the defender, although physically weak, is the strongest in long term.. that is because an important factor plays the role of an incubator of the just cause, This important factor is the public opinion domestically, and in some cases internationally as well.

2) Failure to break the will:

The war will be resolved by the braking of the will of the opponent. Hence, the bombardment and total destruction by a large force, whose aim - according to one of the doctrines of war - is "shock and terror" to break the will of the adversary, and to try to influence the opponent's public or the incubator of the public opinion, by the destruction of the military and civilian infrastructures and the despair and suffering it causes to the people in their livelihoods to force a surrender and acceptance of defeat defeat. The other objective of the initial total destruction is to try to spare the attacker from a costly direct war on the ground, especially if the case is unfair, as it has been. On the other hand, as long as the will of the opponent is not broken, there are chances of absorbing the first blow, thinking about the next day, reorganizing the ranks and going through rounds of conflict..

Which is what has exactly happened in 3 wars (1948, 1956 and 1967, in 1973 the Arabs took the initiative..) between Usrael and the Arabs.. So there is no evidence supporting the claims that the Arabs were defeated..

 

[Solomon2]

...Israel is not fighting for it's survival, it never did -

You've had quite a bit of education and experience so I'm sure you know you're lying.

What you are trying to do is instruct other Muslims what they are supposed to think, claiming some sort of privileged position to do so, either on sectarian, leftist, pretended "victim" grounds, etc.

Why should Pakistanis put up with you?

 

[Aramagedon]

How Us rules its people since WWll; fluoridation, obedience:

 

[Solomon2]

Regarding better relations then yh last few years Israeli and some Arab nations have come closer, but they still weaker than Israel and regarding OP the answer is better education and better military personnel including better morale and intelligence.

Why would you want Arabs to go to war against Israel? You have access to plenty of knowledge informing you that the anti-Zionist Arabs are the guys who seek to carry out murder, theft, and genocide, whereas Israel is a decent country and its Jews mostly decent people, tolerant of peace-minded minorities like themselves.