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Why is Israel So Successful Against Arab Armies

lol, so democracy equal winning wars?
Democracy means that you put the best officers for the job and not your cousin because he's loyal to you.

Your cousin will run at the first sign of trouble. A complement officer will lead and fight.

Just look at Arab officers in any war, they run like cowards.

The fact that you think this is rediculous shows how little you know of history.
 
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LOL at this retarded donkey claiming that Iraqis are hated by Arabs. Don't listen to that moron and go visit the UAE for instance where the largest Iraqi diaspora in the region is located or any GCC country, Yemen, Egypt, Syria etc. Even poor Yemen hosted a very large Iraqi diaspora after 2003 as well and no reports of any bad treatment. Iraqis loved being there despite not being the West. Never heard about Iraqis being treated bad anywhere outside of some small episodes in Jordan. What an idiot! Can't count to 10 in Arabic but is acting like a Arabist with a Ph.D. from Oxford University. What a joke! Every Arab nationality thinks that they are "disliked" for some reason. Insecurity and nothing else. In reality there is no such things.

Iraqis are well-liked a lot due to a lot of things. Total nonsense. Absurd nonsense.

Iraqis are liked? Egyptians and Iraqis in the rich gulf states are made to work as waiters wiping tables and serving hookah LOL there 2nd class citizens followed by Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos lol. Rest of your post is BS you are so out of touch with the own world you live in.

Any stay on topic, how tiny Israel defeated Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and Iraq at the same time. Please educate us how they did this.
 
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Democracy means that you put the best officers for the job and not your cousin because he's loyal to you.

Your cousin will run at the first sign of trouble. A complement officer will lead and fight.

Just look at Arab officers in any war, they run like cowards.

The fact that you think this is rediculous shows how little you know of history.

Nope but ok. Are you sure that only democracies can win wars?
 
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You're still avoiding answering about the PKK

You are saying "Why PKK have been successful against Turkey."

I think you should first define "being successful". What did PKK managed to achieve against Turkey in the last 30 years ?
 
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You are saying "Why PKK have been successful against Turkey."

I think you should first define "being successful". What did PKK managed to achieve against Turkey in the last 30 years ?

Ignore him bro, he doesn't believe that himself he is just trolling. IS took over half his country in 1 week, they ran away like cowards, Iraqis are really in no position to talk about success with the record they have lol. PKK have not a inch of Turkey (which is there goal) while they are easily eating up chunks of Iraq and Syria lol. Still they needed Iranians to fight and defeat IS.

Also, Turkey is "invading" there country with its "illegal" military bases lol, what can Iraq do about it, nothing. While his like come here claiming Arab armies are in a better shape then the Turkish one lol as if.

Maybe this is why Arabs lose every war because they have no sense of reality.
 
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You are saying "Why PKK have been successful against Turkey."

I think you should first define "being successful". What did PKK managed to achieve against Turkey in the last 30 years ?

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My question is directed to a certain person, i'm asking the question in similar form he's asking his question (thread title).

I don't need an answer for the sake of knowledge, I myself can answer it in detail without his help. Thread starter is not interested in a genuine answer, he opened it to bash Arabs. I provided him with a link that provides useful information regarding issues within an Arab army, he ignored it completely which only reaffirms again he's not interested in an actual answer.
 
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My question is directed to a certain person, i'm asking the question in similar form he's asking his question (thread title).

I don't need an answer for the sake of knowledge, I myself can answer it in detail without his help. Thread starter is not interested in a genuine answer, he opened it to bash Arabs. I provided him with a link that provides useful information regarding issues within an Arab army, he ignored it completely which only reaffirms again he's not interested in an actual answer.

Why cant you answer him. Because you are comparing apples and pears you dont warrant a response, you are just an Iraqi troll who watched his country fall apart. You cant even define what success is, which must be of very low standards since you lose all the time.

PKK = Terrorists or whatever you want to call them. Israel = a conventional state. Comparison is void from the start.

Fact: Arab states have lost many wars to Israel.
Fact: Turkey has not lost an inch of land to PKK or any country since its founding.
Fact: Republic of Iraq has lost maybe half the wars it has been in and is on the verge of collapse.
Fact: Republic of Turkey has lost none.

I haven't done any Arab bashing until Saif al Camel, SC and you arrived, it was a genuine question that merits a response, everyone has been civil in this thread and real apart from the Arab members.
 
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My question is directed to a certain person, i'm asking the question in similar form he's asking his question (thread title).

I don't need an answer for the sake of knowledge, I myself can answer it in detail without his help. Thread starter is not interested in a genuine answer, he opened it to bash Arabs. I provided him with a link that provides useful information regarding issues within an Arab army, he ignored it completely which only reaffirms again he's not interested in an actual answer.
Ignore him bro, he doesn't believe that himself he is just trolling. IS took over half his country in 1 week, they ran away like cowards, Iraqis are really in no position to talk about success with the record they have lol. PKK have not a inch of Turkey (which is there goal) while they are easily eating up chunks of Iraq and Syria lol. Still they needed Iranians to fight and defeat IS.

Also, Turkey is "invading" there country with its "illegal" military bases lol, what can Iraq do about it, nothing. While his like come here claiming Arab armies are in a better shape then the Turkish one lol as if.

Maybe this is why Arabs lose every war because they have no sense of reality.

Okay, i'm out.
 
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Why cant you answer him. Because you are comparing apples and pears you dont warrant a response, you are just an Iraqi troll who watched his country fall apart. You cant even define what success is, which must be of very low standards since you lose all the time.

PKK = Terrorists or whatever you want to call them. Israel = a conventional state. Comparison is void from the start.

Fact: Arab states have lost many wars to Israel.
Fact: Turkey has not lost an inch of land to PKK or any country since its founding.
Fact: Republic of Iraq has lost maybe half the wars it has been in and is on the verge of collapse.
Fact: Republic of Turkey has lost none.

I haven't done any Arab bashing until Saif al Camel, SC and you arrived, it was a genuine question that merits a response, everyone has been civil in this thread and real apart from the Arab members.

Could easily answer it in detail which I often did but not worth the effort in this case. Your facts are on overview level, these can easily be discussed in detail which will leave you with nothing.

Do I have to repost it? I gave you a link that gives enough info for your question, takes a lot of reading though which you won't do as it's not your goal here.
 
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Then be civil and dont troll, if you want to troll go free your country first.

From who, IS? It's in process.

Iraq doesn't lack manpower, I would join up given i'm interested in it but I was born in Europe which makes it harder. Besides that's my choice, there's no conscription there.

I didn't troll, now when will you read what I sent you.
 
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Dictators who owe their existence to creators of Israel, UK and USA

Ale-Saud, Ale-Nahyan, Jordanian king, Sissi and others will never fight against Israel.

One may look at Jordan, how it has turned to Israel's security bondage!!!! No military equipment can enter west bank through Jordan, not even a Ak-47! Thanks to it's Israel-lover leadership.

They are the bests in selling prophet's Ummah to Americans and giving military markets and bases to Americansm without a single influential opposite in their countries.

@The SC
What is your idea?
 
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Yes, true. Since then there has been a virtual total control by the Israeli lobby of the American political system and media. America is being bled dry for Israel.
Myth: Israel Is the Largest Beneficiary of US Military Aid
By Prof. Hillel FrischFebruary 10, 2017
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US-Israel 'Austere Challenge' Exercise, IDF Blog, Flickr


BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 410, February 10, 2017

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Many American detractors of Israel begin by citing that Israel receives the lion’s share of US military aid. The very suggestion conjures the demon of an all-powerful Israel lobby that has turned the US Congress into its pawn. But these figures, while reflecting official direct US military aid, are almost meaningless in comparison to the real costs and benefits of US military aid – above all, American boots on the ground. In reality, Israel receives only a small fraction of American military aid, and most of that was spent in the US to the benefit of the American economy.

Countless articles discrediting Israel (as well as many other better-intentioned articles) ask how it is that a country as small as Israel receives the bulk of US military aid. Israel receives 55%, or $US3.1 billion per year, followed by Egypt, which receives 23%. This largesse comes at the expense, so it is claimed, of other equal or more important allies, such as Germany, Japan, and South Korea. The complaint conjures the specter of an all-powerful Israel lobby that has turned the US Congress into its pawn.

The response to the charge is simple: Israel is not even a major beneficiary of American military aid. The numerical figure reflects official direct US military aid, but is almost meaningless compared to the real costs and benefits of US military aid – which include, above all, American boots on the ground in the host states.

There are 150,500 American troops stationed in seventy countries around the globe. This costs the American taxpayer an annual $US85-100 billion, according to David Vine, a professor at American University and author of a book on the subject. In other words, 800-1,000 American soldiers stationed abroad represent US$565-665 million of aid to the country in which they are located.

Once the real costs are calculated, the largest aid recipient is revealed to be Japan, where 48,828 US military personnel are stationed. This translates into a US military aid package of over US$27 billion (calculated according to Vine’s lower estimation). Germany, with 37,704 US troops on its soil, receives aid equivalent to around US$21 billion; South Korea, with 27,553 US troops, receives over US$15 billion; and Italy receives at least US$6 billion.

If Vine’s estimate is correct, Japan’s US military aid package is nine times larger than that of Israel, Germany’s is seven times larger, and Italy’s is twice as large. The multipliers are even greater for Egypt. Even the Lilliputian Gulf states, Kuwait and Bahrain, whose American bases are home to over 5,000 US military personnel apiece, receive military aid almost equal to what Israel receives.

Yet even these figures grossly underestimate the total costs of US aid to its allies. The cost of maintaining troops abroad does not reflect the considerable expense, deeply buried in classified US military expenditure figures, of numerous US air and sea patrols. Nor does it reflect the high cost of joint ground, air, and maritime exercises with host countries (events only grudgingly acknowledged on NATO’s official site).

US air and naval forces constantly patrol the Northern, Baltic, and China Seas to protect American allies in Europe and in the Pacific – at American expense. Glimpses of the scale of these operations are afforded by incidents like the shadowing of a Russian ship in the Baltics, near run-ins between Chinese Coast Guard ships and US Navy ships dispatched to challenge Chinese claims in the South China Sea, and near collisions between US Air Force planes and their Chinese counterparts in the same area.

In striking contrast, no US plane has ever flown to protect Israel’s airspace. No US Navy ship patrols to protect Israel’s coast. And most importantly, no US military personnel are put at risk to ensure Israel’s safety.

In Japan, South Korea, Germany, Kuwait, Qatar, the Baltic states, Poland, and elsewhere, US troops are a vulnerable trip-wire. It is hoped that their presence will deter attack, but there is never any assurance that an attack will not take place. Should such an attack occur, it will no doubt cost American lives.

This cannot happen in Israel, which defends its own turf with its own troops. There is no danger that in Israel, the US might find itself embroiled in wars like those it waged in Iraq and Afghanistan at a cost of US$4 trillion, according to Linda J. Bilmes, a public policy professor and Harvard University researcher.

Japan’s presence at the top of the list of US military aid recipients is both understandable and debatable. It is understandable because Japan is critical to US national security in terms of maintaining freedom of the seas and containing a rising China. It is debatable because Japan is a rich country that ought to pay for the US troops stationed within it – or in lieu of that, to significantly strengthen its own army. At present, the Japanese army numbers close to 250,000, but it is facing the rapidly expanding military power of its main adversary, China. A similar case can be made with regard to Germany, both in terms of its wealth and its contribution towards meeting the Russian threat.

What is incomprehensible is not why Israel receives so much US military aid, but why Japan has received nine times more aid than Israel does. This is a curious proportion given the relative power Israel possesses in the Middle East and its potential to advance vital US security interests in times of crisis, compared to the force maintained by Japan relative to China.

Ever since the Turkish parliament’s decision in March 2003 not to join the US-led coalition, and the Turkish government’s refusal to allow movement of American troops across its borders, Israel has been America’s sole ally between Cyprus and India with a strategic air force and (albeit small) rapid force deployment capabilities to counter major threats to vital US interests.

It takes little imagination to envision these potential threats. Iran might decide to occupy Bahrain, which has a Shiite majority seriously at odds with the ruling Sunni monarchy. It might take over the United Arab Emirates, which plays a major role in the air offensive against the Houthis, Iran’s proxies in the war in Yemen. There might be a combined Syrian and Iraqi bid to destabilize Sunni Jordan, in the event that both states subdue their Sunni rebels. Any of these moves would threaten vital energy supplies to the US and its allies. Only Israel can be depended upon completely to provide bases and utilities for a US response and to participate in the effort if needed.

The politicians, pundits, and IR scholars who attack Israel and the Israeli lobby for extracting the lion’s share of US military aid from a gullible Congress know full well that this is not true. Israel receives a small fraction of the real outlays of military aid the US indirectly gives its allies and other countries. These experts also know that 74% of military aid to Israel was spent on American arms, equipment, and services. Under the recently signed Memorandum of Understanding, that figure will be changed to 100%. The experts simply cite the wrong figures.

The US is now led by a businessman president who knows his dollars and cents. He has been adamant about the need to curb free-riding by the large recipients of real US aid. He will, one hopes, appreciate the security bargain the US has with Israel – a country that not only shares many common values with the US, but can make a meaningful contribution to American vital interests with no trip-wires attached.

https://besacenter.org/perspectives...h-israel-largest-beneficiary-us-military-aid/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/myth-israel-is-the-largest-beneficiary-of-us-military-aid.502915/
 
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Dictators who owe their existence to creators of Israel, UK and USA

Ale-Saud, Ale-Nahyan, Jordanian king, Sissi and others will never fight against Israel.

One may look at Jordan, how it has turned to Israel's security bondage!!!! No military equipment can enter west bank through Jordan, not even a Ak-47! Thanks to it's Israel-lover leadership.

They are the bests in selling prophet's Ummah to Americans and giving military markets and bases to Americansm without a single influential opposite in their countries.

@The SC
What is your idea?
Well, you are right to some extent, because it is not only who you mentioned that can't fight Usrael, in fact they can, but like President Sadat said: "I can fight Usrael, but I can not fight the US", he was right.. not many nations can take on the US who stands openly behind Usrael..
 
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