Why Indians call 1971 their victory when it was an act of cowardice?

[Mugen]

Reality is that anything goes in war, the problem is our own weakness. Why are we so weak still?

 

[PradoTLC]

I'm just amused at Safriz who is on all Indian forums trying here to paint ethics and some weird white knight paradigm into modern warfare.

Only one group of Hindus knew how to fight ... the Marathas.

When you have your foot on the neck of your enemy, you don't ease the pressure.

You make sure you get the perfect head shot through the temple.

that is the case with India now.....

we have you by the balls

 

[padamchen]

that is the case with India now.....

we have you by the balls

Great.

Take the head shot.

You know we will.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

1971 was simply India, led by a Parsi general, and the Brahmin wife of a Parsi, protecting their way of life. Ensuring their way of life, by protecting one flank.

Any man will fight when his family is threatened.

Rules and morals and ethics don't mean anything then. Only survival.

The Parsis became Indian by learning that from the Arabs and then their own Persian converts.

The Indians learned that from their Hindu converts over the next 600 years.

If any reminder is needed for any Indian about the alternative, then Delhi provided that most recently.

So yeah, we attacked in the best manner possible to attain our objectives.

We did what Pakistan has always wanted to do, has tried multiple times, and always failed.

That's the base summary of the continued angst in a generation of Pakistanis most of whose parents had not even met in 1971.

P.S. I was a 7 month infant then.

Actually we succeeded on August the 14th 1947 when annexed over 35% of former indian territory to create Pakistan and there is NOTHING indian kind can do to get that conquered territory back again....................yes, we split open wide the legs of mother india to create Pakistan.................. ...........so when is india going to get back GB and Azad Kashmir from 7× smaller Pakistan....... .......

that is the case with India now.....

we have you by the balls

We are strong but fighting a foe that is more than 7× bigger than us and has the full backing of the West and Russia.

 

[padamchen]

Actually we succeeded on August the 14th 1947 when annexed over 35% of former indian territory to create Pakistan and there is NOTHING indian kind can do to get that conquered territory back again....................yes, we split open wide the legs of mother india to create Pakistan.................. ...........so when is india going to get back GB and Azad Kashmir from 7× smaller Pakistan....... .......






We are strong but fighting a foe that is more than 7× bigger than us and has the full backing of the West and Russia.

Personally I doubt we would have been able to live together with more than half a billion Muslims (by today's numbers).

I think even today we are waking up to the fact that Muslim numbers cannot be allowed to tilt the demographic scale further.

Everything you are seeing in India over tge past two terms is a tacit understanding among the vast majority of Indians (mostly Hindus) that the numbers need halting and eventually reversing.

So going back to 1947 and then 1971, it was a holding pattern adopted by both sides.

The Muslims got breathing space of an independent nation to do as they wished, who they wished it with and to, and to not be ruled by Hindus.

Hindus on the other hand got rid of over two third of the Muslim populace, without a motheaten India in between.

The population exchange was also near equal. 7.5 million from both sides, each.

When you guys say we ripped Bharat Mata, it amuses me.

Because all of you are of the same Bharat Mata.

This is and has always been your land. So you did not rip anything from anyone. You continued living on your own land. As Indians did.

It was purely a political divide. You got to make your rules on the land that was always yours.

Hindus did the same.

What we did in 1971 was simply ensured that we would never have to fight you on two fronts again. And that move was a significant one strategically.

And we have the Congress to thank for pulling that one off under the nose of a belligerent nuclear America.

 

[SIPRA]

The only mistake, Pakistan did in 1971, was to allow the war to happen. The chances were zilch. Pakistan itself should have established Bangladesh in March 1971. Period.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Personally I doubt we would have been able to live together with more than half a billion Muslims (by today's numbers).

I think even today we are waking up to the fact that Muslim numbers cannot be allowed to tilt the demographic scale further.

Everything you are seeing in India over tge past two terms is a tacit understanding among the vast majority of Indians (mostly Hindus) that the numbers need halting and eventually reversing.

So going back to 1947 and then 1971, it was a holding pattern adopted by both sides.

The Muslims got breathing space of an independent nation to do as they wished, who they wished it with and to, and to not be ruled by Hindus.

Hindus on the other hand got rid of over two third of the Muslim populace, without a motheaten India in between.

The population exchange was also near equal. 7.5 million from both sides, each.

When you guys say we ripped Bharat Mata, it amuses me.

Because all of you are of the same Bharat Mata.

This is and has always been your land. Do you did not rip anything from anyone. You continued living on your own land. As Indians did.

It was purely a political divide. You got to make your rules on the land that was always yours.

Hindus did the same.

What we did in 1971 was simply ensured that we would never have to fight you on two fronts again. And that move was a significant one strategically.

And we have tge Congress to thank for pulling that one off under the nose of a belligerent nuclear America.

Make sure that bengalis don't become your enemies in the coming years otherwise a two front war could again become a possibility. Anyhow, after having developed nukes, Pakistan no longer needs to fight india on two fronts.

 

[padamchen]

Make sure that bengalis don't become your enemies in the coming years otherwise a two front war could again become a possibility. Anyhow, after having developed nukes, Pakistan no longer needs to fight india on two fronts.

We do not want to be anyone's enemy.

We officially have no dispute with you anymore.

Actually scratch that coz it's not really true.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You can call any war an act of cowardice. 1965 war was an act of cowardice, especially since India had just had a war with China in 1962 and the army was severely depleted, both in equipment and morale. You people took the opportunity, but failed, ending up losing more land. In 1971, you were the ones facing a bad time, we took the opportunity and we won.

What land did Pakistan lose in 1965?......If what you say is true then remember to post the links to the GENUINE evidence here......


PS The mothers of all battles was won on August the 14th 1947 when over 35% of former indian territory was annexed to create Pakistan...................and there is NOTHING indian kind can do to get that conquered territory back again.........

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

According to - David Van

'India won the war. It gained 1,840 square kilometers of Pakistani territory: 640 square kilometers in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 square kilometers of the Sailkot sector; 380 square kilometers far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 square kilometers on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 square kilometers of Indian territory: 490 square kilometers in the Chhamb sector and 50 square kilometers around Khem Karan.'

According to - Library of Congress [USA]

'The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.'

Accodring to - Devin Hagerty

'The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.'

According to - Gertjan Djikin

'The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.'

If all this is not as per your liking, dig out your maps from before 1965 and do your own research

Can you post the links to GENUINE sources as well, otherwise there is no credibility in the above statements.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Its ironic that while India & Pakistan both face a fa far higher death casulaity by Covid19, We are still stuck in 1971 !

Wakeup , Its 2020.

The China of 2020 is no longer the China of 1971
The Korea of 2020 is no longer the Korea of 1971

The same is for India and pak.
When will People in India n Pakistan Realize this ?

 

[Krptonite]

According to - David Van

'India won the war. It gained 1,840 square kilometers of Pakistani territory: 640 square kilometers in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 square kilometers of the Sailkot sector; 380 square kilometers far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 square kilometers on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 square kilometers of Indian territory: 490 square kilometers in the Chhamb sector and 50 square kilometers around Khem Karan.'

According to - Library of Congress [USA]

'The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.'

Accodring to - Devin Hagerty

'The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.'

According to - Gertjan Djikin

'The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.'

If all this is not as per your liking, dig out your maps from before 1965 and do your own research

You actually gave him the sources he keeps asking for

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You actually gave him the sources he keeps asking for

With 0 links to GENUINE sources.

 

[Krptonite]

With 0 links to GENUINE sources.

Then its a catch-22, isn't it?

Neither side will accept unfavorable sources.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Proof from pakistan :

That's just a stamp. Means nothing. WHERE is the genuine evidence for those claims?