Why hydrocarbons (colloquially called fossil fuels) is king of the future

[ultron]

People used to say, why don't we use solar and wind? They are free. Yes they are free, but the equipment to utilize them is very expensive. They are more expensive than hydrocarbons.

People now say, why don't we use fusion? It's free. Yes it's free, but the equipment to utilize it is very expensive. Even if it works, it will be more expensive than hydrocarbons.

 

[That Guy]

Fusion is expensive as hell. Hydrocarbons is cheap. Who would spend money on fusion rather than burn hydrocarbons? There is no economic incentive for fusion. There is every economic incentive for hydrocarbons.

Hydrocarbon harvesting and transportation from Titan would be a million times more expensive than fusion.

People used to say, why don't we use solar and wind? They are free. Yes they are free, but the equipment to utilize them is very expensive. They are more expensive than hydrocarbons.

People now say, why don't we use fusion? It's free. Yes it's free, but the equipment to utilize it is very expensive. Even if it works, it will be more expensive than hydrocarbons.

You're all over the place. First you're talking about harvesting from distant planets, then you compare the cost to fusion, then you suggest that...you know what? I have no idea what you're talking about. Your points are all over the place.

The only thing I can get from all your insane ramblings of a madman, are that you love hydrocarbons.

@waz can you help a brother out? This thread is nothing more than a way for OP to troll.

 

[ultron]

Hydrocarbon harvesting and transportation from Titan would be a million times more expensive than fusion.

If they keep burning hydrocarbons on Earth there would be so much CO2 in the air that everyone would suffocate to death.

Eventually people should ditch electricity and go back to the simple way of life before 1800.

 

[That Guy]

If they keep burning hydrocarbons on Earth there would be so much CO2 in the air that everyone would suffocate to death.

Eventually people should ditch electricity and go back to the simple way of life before 1800.

See, now I KNOW you're trolling.

 

[Darth Vader]

Solar energy is the way

 

[Indian_Devil]

On Titan, almost everywhere, any planet, any moon, there are plenty of hydrocarbons ready to burn. But not all planets or moons have much wind or sunlight

http://www.universetoday.com/12800/titan-has-hundreds-of-times-more-liquid-hydrocarbons-than-earth/

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these are called fossil fuels because of a certain reason, how is it possible that titan contains fossil fuels? If no fossil, no fuel... were there dinosaurs on Titan too?

or are they formed by any other natural procedure? if so, they cant be called fossil fuels

 

[ultron]

Solar energy is the way

Not even by a long shot. There isn't enough rare earth minerals to make enough solar panels to generate 1% of the world's electricity, let alone power all the vehicles by solar generated electricity using battery.

 

[Darth Vader]

Not even by a long shot. There isn't enough rare earth minerals to make enough solar panels to generate 1% of the world's electricity, let alone power all the vehicles by solar generated electricity using battery.

Just Few days ago there was a post regarding that how much solar panel we require
As for rare earth minerals, what age are you living in
As all things you are talking about they are expensive and short term and it needs huge complex system which isnt worth going for
Now solar industry is developing and in near future can see major changes

 

[Audio]

Meanwhile in the real world....

In December, the first 12 segments of the massive ITER cryostat were delivered to the ITER site in France. The cryostat, the vacuum-tight container that will surround the main plasma chamber and superconducting magnets, is under the procurement responsibility of the ITER-India Domestic Agency (www.iter-india.org) and manufactured by the Indian industrial giant Larsen & Toubro Ltd. The arrival of the cryostat segments represents a double milestone for the ITER Project—the arrival of the first elements that will be integrated into the ITER machine, and the ahead-of-schedule achievement of the first project milestone validated by the ITER Council in November for the years 2016-2017.

The ITER cryostat will be shipped from India in 54 separate segments, to be assembled and welded in the on-site Cryostat Workshop. The first 12 segments that reached ITER in December include six 50- ton 60° segments, and six 19-ton main shell segments. Together these segments, which will form Tier 1 of the cryostat base section, represent only 1/8 th of the total mass of the 3,850-ton cryostat—the largest, most complex steel vacuum chamber ever built.

https://www.iter.org/doc/www/conten...ments/649/2015_12_first_cryostat_segments.pdf

Some photos of various ITER components under manufacture around the world

https://www.iter.org/album/Media/2 - Manufacturing underway

 

[ultron]

Meanwhile in the real world....

https://www.iter.org/doc/www/conten...ments/649/2015_12_first_cryostat_segments.pdf

Some photos of various ITER components under manufacture around the worldI

https://www.iter.org/album/Media/2 - Manufacturing underway

God will never allow fusion to succeed on Earth. The Sun has enormous gravity, so fusion works on the Sun. Earth has too little gravity for fusion to work. Even if it can produce a slight net positive energy, it's simply too expensive to be commercially viable.

Just Few days ago there was a post regarding that how much solar panel we require
As for rare earth minerals, what age are you living in
As all things you are talking about they are expensive and short term and it needs huge complex system which isnt worth going for
Now solar industry is developing and in near future can see major changes

Hydrocarbon industry is developing fast. Fracking is nothing compared to what's going to come in the future. You are going to see drilling cost plummet and supply explode.

At the end of the day, environmental issue will take priority. Hydrocarbon fuel is clean and safe to mine and burn. Not so for solar panels. Too dirty. Too environmentally damaging. Too much cancer causing agents.

 

[Darth Vader]

Drilli

God will never allow fusion to succeed on Earth. The Sun has enormous gravity, so fusion works on the Sun. Earth has too little gravity for fusion to work. Even if it can produce a slight net positive energy, it's simply too expensive to be commercially viable.




Hydrocarbon industry is developing fast. Fracking is nothing compared to what's going to come in the future. You are going to see drilling cost plummet and supply explode.

At the end of the day, environmental issue will take priority. Hydrocarbon fuel is clean and safe to mine and burn. Not so for solar panels. Too dirty. Too environmentally damaging. Too much cancer causing agents.

Where you living? Who told you drilling is easy , cheap and environmental friendly

 

[ultron]

Drilli

Where you living? Who told you drilling is easy , cheap and environmental friendly

CO2 is good for plants, and, by extension, good for animals. No one denies this. CO2 does not cause cancer like solar panels and wind turbines do.