Why Does India Tend to Collapse So Often?

[illusion8]

This is what I said;

It exhorts that India's history lies in Indus Valley Civilization, which is incorrect and is as frivolous as it sounds and even funny to even think about it.

Please read the article.

So where else does it lie? and why is it incorrect of frivolous?

 

[INDIC]

>>>>>The word "India" is derived from the culture developed on the banks of the Sindhu (or Indus) river (It is IVC culture) at the beginning of known time. India became and remained one of the most powerful and richest countries in the world.

India/Hind was used for whole of India from area from Punjab to Malabar-Coromondal coast.

This was over a period of about 3,000 years from about 2,000 BCE to about 1,000 CE. This era is broadly divided into 3 main periods - the Vedic Age, the Imperial Unity Age that encompasses the first example below and the Classic Age, the Golden Age of India, that encompasses the second example below. <<<<<

Vedic period is true after that you are making self assumption. Gupta period is called classical or golden age of India.

 

[Ticker]

So where else does it lie? and why is it incorrect of frivolous?

Because the IVC was in Pakistan. Its history belongs to Pakistan and probably a bit of it in India. Indian can not claim IVC as its history. It is a Pakistani history and heritage and we are proud of it.

 

[illusion8]

Because the IVC was in Pakistan. Its history belongs to Pakistan and probably a bit of it in India. Indian can not claim IVC as its history. It is a Pakistani history and heritage and we are proud of it.

The IVC wasn't in Pakistan - only the ruins are presently in Pakistan which was partitioned from India. Pakistan was non existing till 1947 and is just a new entity much like Bangladesh.

 

[WAR-rior]

A very interesting write up indeed.

The write up first criticizes the last 1000 years of Indian History and ask the Indian people to learn their lessons from a history which is over 4000 years old.

It blames the invaders and rulers of last 1000 years for all of India's current ills and seeks glory in a period of history which is 4000 years old. It exhorts that India's history lies in Indus Valley Civilization, which is incorrect and is as frivolous as it sounds and even funny to even think about it.

The cradle of IVC lies in Pakistan and Pakistan is the scion of this civilization - not the current India. India may claim a tiny part of this old glory and not the whole of it.

However, I don't understand as to what is new that the author is talking about. This is exactly what the Indians have been saying and doing since last 65 years.

Blaming the current ills on a period of 1000 years of old history is just like becoming an ostrich with head hidden in the sand.

I am not saying that India should not take pride in the history of those people who live in current India, but India may also like to take pride in what India became since 1947. The later part is somehow less talked about and all the blames and ills of current India are pushed under the rug of historical perspectives.

How can any country grow, unless it addresses the current ills and weaknesses rather than merely blaming history and live in the past glory.

In my personal opinion, if India takes more pride in the India which is now rather than what India was, it will be able to walk in the next century with head held high.

The simple reason why IVC is considered as Indian legecy coz other than the region, pakistan dont share nor believe the aspects related to IVC. PAkistan said to be formed on basis of Islam share no similarity to IVC which were shiva worshippers. (u can argue on this fact if u want. I m ready to to provide links if u insist.) Also Pakistanis feel pride in Mughal and other arabic legacy which isnt even of their region. why? simple reason , its all bout islam. U cant say 2 things at a time. on one side all islamic things in this world are urs and on the other side just coz IVC is considered to be great, its Pakistani. dude, First define PAKISTAN. What does it mean? If you really see the word Pakistan has completely opposite connotation to that of the IVC guyz. ON the other side, we Indians share lot lot things to the culture and nature of IVC guyz. right from REligion to lyfstyle. Infact in India today all the SHAIVYAS(true shiva worshippers still eat beef unlike BRAHMINS). U need to have some similarity with the thing you call it urs. Rite?

 

[Ticker]

India/Hind was used for whole of India from area from Punjab to Malabar-Coromondal coast.

That was old India and not the new India you live in. Therefore, you can not claim that history which was not part of new India.

Vedic period is true after that you are making self assumption. Gupta period is called classical or golden age of India.

Gupta period also included major portion of Afghanistan, part of Iran, Central Asia and Pakistan.

Who has given you the right of claiming what was not yours - just because the King was Hindu. One of the Mauriyas kings was also a Buddhist. What are you guys claiming - crap.

 

[INDIC]

Because the IVC was in Pakistan. Its history belongs to Pakistan and probably a bit of it in India. Indian can not claim IVC as its history. It is a Pakistani history and heritage and we are proud of it.

IVC or originally called Meluhha was transnational and both countries have claim over it.

 

[illusion8]

That was old India and not the new India you live in. Therefore, you can not claim that history which was not part of new India.

Vedic period is true after that you are making self assumption. Gupta period is called classical or golden age of India.

The boundaries extended from Afghanistan upto the Far East, that doesn't change anything..does it.

 

[WAR-rior]

Basically Indians have a deep inferiority complex - The Hindus in particular feel that they were made slaves by the Mughals (Muslims) so therefore they must take revenge now by attacking Pakistan.They think they are all super and mighty now and therefore they must show aggression now (This is vindicated by the posts of Indians Members on this forum!! as well as the popularity of Hindu radical parties such as RSS and BJP) but Indians should be careful what they wish for.Nazi Germany was also mighty and powerful (Obviously India does not have the kind of power that Nazi Germany possessed but just giving a comparison.) but you know what happened to Third Reich once it started the unjust WW2 by massacring people in Poland and other countries..

See thats what I was talking bout. For Pakistanis its all bout Muslims, Mughals, Islam. Then how on earth can u guyz even try claim IVC legacy.

 

[Azazel]

Because the IVC was in Pakistan. Its history belongs to Pakistan and probably a bit of it in India. Indian can not claim IVC as its history. It is a Pakistani history and heritage and we are proud of it.

So this new claim means Mohammad Bin Qasim was not the first Pakistani.Hmm,This is Interesting.
Wonder how many Pakistanis agree with this.

 

[Ticker]

The simple reason why IVC is considered as Indian legecy coz other than the region, pakistan dont share nor believe the aspects related to IVC. PAkistan said to be formed on basis of Islam share no similarity to IVC which were shiva worshippers. (u can argue on this fact if u want. I m ready to to provide links if u insist.) Also Pakistanis feel pride in Mughal and other arabic legacy which isnt even of their region. why? simple reason , its all bout islam. U cant say 2 things at a time. on one side all islamic things in this world are urs and on the other side just coz IVC is considered to be great, its Pakistani. dude, First define PAKISTAN. What does it mean? If you really see the word Pakistan has completely opposite connotation to that of the IVC guyz. ON the other side, we Indians share lot lot things to the culture and nature of IVC guyz. right from REligion to lyfstyle. Infact in India today all the SHAIVYAS(true shiva worshippers still eat beef unlike BRAHMINS). U need to have some similarity with the thing you call it urs. Rite?

Sir, you need to update yourself on the history. If your text books teach you that IVC people were Shiva worshipers, you are totally wrong.

No one knows what their language was, as it has not been deciphered yet and no one also knows about their religion. They buried their dead as well - Hindus cremate them.

There are three major archeological sites Mehrgarh (From 7000 BCE), Harappa (From 3000 BCE) and Mehenjodaro (1500 BCE) of IVC, and all are in Pakistan. Majority of original IVC people live in Pakistan.

These people after decline of the IVC, were Hindus once, Buddhists once and are now Muslims. And we call this area Pakistan.

Please update knowledge of your history before you come and start de-educating us with your non-history.

 

[Splurgenxs]

nothing but confused brats trying to grab whatever comes there way in the name of identity....try not to give it too much importance...the world knows as do all Indians as to what the IVc signifies and where all those ppl now reside..

Even Indonesia and south eastern archipelagos have many Hindu architecture and influence , doesn't mean that land also has our claim.

The IVC is a remnant of our old ways and contain archaeological evidence tht already corroborates our scripture over and over again.IF Pakistan would have it saved then good ,itll only help in understanding out past,if not then so be it..

Those who invade this land and then those who worship them after have nothing on the ageless culture of Bharat/India..there like the rest of the sheep who get led by the nose.

 

[Ticker]

IVC or originally called Meluhha was transnational and both countries have claim over it.

No. Only a limited part is in current day India. Only that part may claim it. But probably Modi will have his own civilization.

 

[INDIC]

That was old India and not the new India you live in. Therefore, you can not claim that history which was not part of new India.

What the hell is this old now, Sindhis and Punjabis are also part of Indian nation. Their history is our history ours is theirs.

Gupta period also included major portion of Afghanistan, part of Iran, Central Asia and Pakistan.

Who has given you the right of claiming what was not yours - just because the King was Hindu. One of the Mauriyas kings was also a Buddhist. What are you guys claiming - crap.

Gupta Empire was not spread in Afghanistan. Guptas and Mauryas are two different empires.

 

[Rusty]

The IVC wasn't in Pakistan - only the ruins are presently in Pakistan which was partitioned from India. Pakistan was non existing till 1947 and is just a new entity much like Bangladesh.

So you think the Republic of India existed for 5000 years?
Get real man.
"India" and "Republic of India" are not the same thing.
"India" as a landmass with many kingdoms and different history has existed for 5000 years. IROP and ROI are both part of historic "India"
Republic of India only existed since 47.
After 47 ROI can only claim history inside it's border and IROP can claim history inside it's boarder.

And Pakistan was not portioned from ROI. Pakistan and ROI were created from Historic India. There is a big difference.