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Why Democracy is Shirk and When Can It be Used by Islamic Parties

In Egypt there was an Islamist government that came into power and the people were against it. They wanted a more secular government and that is why so many of those people came out in the streets. Stop your bullshit. A theocracy never works in the real world.....

Think for a second....there are over 7 billion people on this planet. Only about 2 billion people are Muslims. This means that more than 50 percent of the world has the bad luck that you did not have. The funny thing is that those other 5 billion people probably think the same about you. All those religious Christians etc (who are actually religious) think their religion is real just as much as you think your religion is real.

Its these different ideas that create conflict in the world. That is why its better for a government to be neutral when it comes to religions and try to make all religions etc co-exist in the country. Go look at the west and how much tolerance they give muslims...if Pakistan even gave Christians (and other minorities) even half as much tolerance that Western countries give to Muslims...the lives of minorities in Pakistan will increase significantly.

The fact is that your ideology sucks and as you can see more and more people are getting out of that bullshit. If you continue this BS in the future religion might not even exist soon...more and more young people are getting sick of this bullshit and its the attitudes that people like you have thats driving people away from religion in the first place. If you truly want Islam to grow in the coming years my advice is for you to shut the hell up.

The more I see BS like this on the internet the closer I get to stop being a Muslim. So I actually have people like you to thank for my possible conversion.

And yes those are sins....very delicious sins lol

People came out onto the streets in Egypt in favour of Islamic rule. They voted in the Muslim Brotherhood. That party was unjustifiably prevented from bringing in sharia by a rebellious army. And now Muslims there are once again fighting for sharia.

And it does not matter what other people think. These 5 billion people can be invaded, made to pay jizya in a state of subjugation (if they are Jews and Christians), forced to revert to Islam or killed (if they are Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs etc).
 
@Palao Eater is right . Mullahs` Islam is not compatible with democracy

We need to follow Iqbal`s advice and try to remove the influence of Arab imperialism , and adopt a socialist secular form of democracy , which according to Iqbal , is perfectly Islamic !!
 
@Palao Eater is right . Mullahs` Islam is not compatible with democracy

We need to follow Iqbal`s advice and try to remove the influence of Arab imperialism , and adopt a socialist secular form of democracy , which according to Iqbal , is perfectly Islamic !!
Islam is a communo-socialist-controlled capitalistic system which has a trace of democracy, as far as followers are concerned. It is not a line as defined by Mullah. It is a corridor allowing humans to maneuver according to changing socio-economic environment.
 
What is the ruling on democracy and taking a leadership role in parliment or other levels of the democratical government? What is the ruling regarding voting for someone in democracy? How was the islamic state organized, and governed in the classical times?.

Praise be to Allaah.


Firstly:

Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is.

It says in Mawsoo’at al-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib al-Mu’aasirah (2/1066, 1067):

Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) — you and your fathers — for which Allaah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allaah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism); that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not”

[Yoosuf 12:40]

“The decision is only for Allaah”

[al-An’aam 6:57]

End quote.

This has been discussed in detail in the answer to question no. 98134.

Secondly:

The one who understands the true nature of the democratic system and the ruling thereon, then he nominates himself or someone else (for election) is approving of this system, and is working with it, is in grave danger, because the democratic system is contrary to Islam and approving of it and participating in it are actions that imply apostasy and being beyond the pale of Islam.

But as for the one who nominates himself or nominates others in this system in order to join the parliament and enjoin good and forbid evil, and establish proof against them, and reduce its evil and corruption as much as he can, so that people of corruption and disbelievers in Allaah will not have free rein to spread mischief in the land and spoil people’s worldly interests and religious commitment, this is a matter that is subject to ijtihaad, according to the interests that it is hoped will be served by that.

Some scholars are even of the view that getting involved in these elections is obligatory.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on elections, and he replied: I think that elections are obligatory; we should appoint the one who we think is good, because if the good people abstain, who will take their place? Evil people will take their place, or neutral people in whom there is neither good nor evil, but they follow everyone who makes noise. So we have no choice but to choose those who we think are fit.

If someone were to say: We chose someone but most of the parliament are not like that,

We say: It does not matter. If Allaah blesses this one person and enables him to speak the truth in this parliament, he will undoubtedly have an effect. But what we need is to be sincere towards Allaah and the problem is that we rely too much on physical means and we do not listen to what Allaah says. So nominate the one who you think is good, and put your trust in Allaah. End quote.

From Liqaa’aat al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 210

The scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas were asked:

Is it permissible to vote in elections and nominate people for them? Please note that our country is ruled according to something other than that which Allaah revealed?

They replied:

It is not permissible for a Muslim to nominate himself in the hope that he can become part of a system which rules according to something other than that which Allaah has revealed and operates according to something other than the sharee’ah of Islam. It is not permissible for a Muslim to vote for him or for anyone else who will work in that government, unless the one who nominates himself or those who vote for him hope that by getting involved in that they will be able to change the system to one that operates according to the sharee’ah of Islam, and they are using this as a means to overcome the system of government, provided that the one who nominates himself will not accept any position after being elected except one that does not go against Islamic sharee’ah. End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (23/406, 407

They were also asked:

As you know, here in Algeria we have what are called legislative elections. There are parties which call for Islamic rule, and there are others that do not want Islamic rule. What is the ruling on one who votes for something other than Islamic rule even though he prays?

They replied:

The Muslims in a country that is not governed according to Islamic sharee’ah should do their utmost and strive as much as they can to bring about rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, and they should unite in helping the party which is known will rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah. As for supporting one who calls for non-implementation of Islamic sharee’ah, that is not permissible, rather it may lead a person to kufr, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And so judge (you O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) among them by what Allaah has revealed and follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you. And if they turn away, then know that Allaah’s Will is to punish them for some sins of theirs. And truly, most of men are Faasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient to Allaah).

50. Do they then seek the judgement of (the days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith”

[al-Maa'idah 5:49-50].

Hence when Allaah stated that those who do not rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah are guilty of kufr, He warned against helping them or taking them as allies or close friends, and He commanded the believers to fear Him if they were truly believers. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not as Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers) those who take your religion as a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before you, and nor from among the disbelievers; and fear Allaah if you indeed are true believers”

[al-Maa’idah 5:57]

And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. End quote.

Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (1/373).

oh so how long on earth did the God-made system worked? oh wait what are we talking about?

Points to be noted:

  • Democracy is a man-made system
  • Whoever rules by other than the rule of Allah is committing kufr/shirk
  • Whoever supports or promotes this man-made system is also committing kufr
  • Therefore voting is also haram and kufr
  • However Islamic parties can participate in the democratic system in order to bring Shariah in
  • It is obligatory on Muslims to vote for Islamic parties which will bring shariah.

bbbubuuhahahahahahhahahahaha..........you made my day man, Yallah Yallah..... :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
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People came out onto the streets in Egypt in favour of Islamic rule. They voted in the Muslim Brotherhood. That party was unjustifiably prevented from bringing in sharia by a rebellious army. And now Muslims there are once again fighting for sharia.

And it does not matter what other people think. These 5 billion people can be invaded, made to pay jizya in a state of subjugation (if they are Jews and Christians), forced to revert to Islam or killed (if they are Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs etc).

 
I did not say everything is haram. I said that we are Muslims and we can only rule by what Allah SWT has given to us. Ruling with something other than his laws is like ascribing partners to God i.e shirk/polytheism
According to the Quran, you can only be a muslim, if you live in a muslim area.
Anyone leaving Islam should be killed.

Logically this means that any "muslim" moving to live in a democracy, becomes a non-muslim, and should be killed.
European Countries have abolished death penalty, so this won't happen.
How to solve this problem?

Should all muslims in Europe be shipped to Islamic countries for execution?
Europeans normally do not extradite criminals if they face death penalty.

If "muslims" go to Europe to kill them, they also become non-believers according to the Quran.
Not a solution....

Open at ideas...
 
According to the Quran, you can only be a muslim, if you live in a muslim area.
Anyone leaving Islam should be killed.

Logically this means that any "muslim" moving to live in a democracy, becomes a non-muslim, and should be killed.
European Countries have abolished death penalty, so this won't happen.
How to solve this problem?

Should all muslims in Europe be shipped to Islamic countries for execution?
Europeans normally do not extradite criminals if they face death penalty.

If "muslims" go to Europe to kill them, they also become non-believers according to the Quran.
Not a solution....

Open at ideas...
Wtf what nonsense are your talking about? What do you know about Islam or The Holy Quran?
 
According to the Quran, you can only be a muslim, if you live in a muslim area.
Anyone leaving Islam should be killed.


Logically this means that any "muslim" moving to live in a democracy, becomes a non-muslim, and should be killed.
European Countries have abolished death penalty, so this won't happen.
How to solve this problem?

Should all muslims in Europe be shipped to Islamic countries for execution?
Europeans normally do not extradite criminals if they face death penalty.

If "muslims" go to Europe to kill them, they also become non-believers according to the Quran.
Not a solution....

Open at ideas...

You dont understand Quran, and try to interpret it. All what you have said is totally wrong. Lakum Dinukum Waliyadin (For you, your religion, and for me, my religion) Quran (Al-Kafirun). Please learn something in Islam before saying some ridiculous statement like this. Where is the verse in Quran that you try to interpret.....?

If your statement is referred to @Palao Eater logic, so you have to remove "Quran" words from your statement and replace it into "your logic"
 
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You dont understand Quran, and try to interpret it. All what you have said is totally wrong. Lakum Dinukum Waliyadin (For you, your religion, and for me, my religion) Quran (Al-Kafirun). Please learn something in Islam before saying some ridiculous statement like this. Where is the verse in Quran that you try to interpret.....?
This is interesting.

I don't think he's talking about religion, is democracy or any other form of government 'shirk" in Islam and only God's law should be followed by Muslims?
 
This is interesting.

I don't think he's talking about religion, is democracy or any other form of government 'shirk" in Islam and only God's law should be followed by Muslims?

This is my previous post at this thread I bring again for you (previously I wrote this to counter @Palao Eater view) :

Its like how simple Algebra calculation found in Quran can make many complex derivatives, and even make many concrete things based on the simple algebra calculation after Al-Khwarizmi understand it and then developed it.

In Islam, there is a surah called "as-syura," the basic calculation/idea of this is only talking about ALLAH command for Muslims to collaborate and discuss anything in term of solving any public affairs among them. Thus, democracy is like the complex way of Syura, and it can be changed based on current social context. You have to read Abu Bakar Biography, and there you can see that at that time there was an election happening in a simple way, and there was a debate held to accommodate different view between Quraish Tribe and Anshar Tribe, they debated in order to win people support, and Abu Bakar won the debate.

You just make many literal interpretation about Quran verses, actually many Quran verses are talking something in non-literal means, just like Tauhid is actually a psychological area. For some one understand about it, he can see that many Taliban follower are just bowing too much to their leaders in psychological way thus it can be seen as violating Tauhid rule. For instant, killing innocents because of their leader command it.
 
This is my previous post at this thread I bring again for you (previously I wrote this to counter @Palao Eater view) :

Its like how simple Algebra calculation found in Quran can make many complex derivatives, and even make many concrete things based on the simple algebra calculation after Al-Khwarizmi understand it and then developed it.

In Islam, there is a surah called "as-syura," the basic calculation/idea of this is only talking about ALLAH command for Muslims to collaborate and discuss anything in term of solving any public affairs among them. Thus, democracy is like the complex way of Syura, and it can be changed based on current social context. You have to read Abu Bakar Biography, and there you can see that at that time there was an election happening in a simple way, and there was a debate held to accommodate different view between Quraish Tribe and Anshar Tribe, they debated in order to win people support, and Abu Bakar won the debate.

You just make many literal interpretation about Quran verses, actually many Quran verses are talking something in non-literal means, just like Tauhid is actually a psychological area. For some one understand about it, he can see that many Taliban follower are just bowing too much to their leaders in psychological way thus it can be seen as violating Tauhid rule. For instant, killing innocents because of their leader command it.

So what you say is it's not compulsory to follow shariah for Muslims and the verses can be interpreted in other means, as in when there are non Muslims among the discussion than Muslim law does not need to be applied.
 

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