Why Democracy is Shirk and When Can It be Used by Islamic Parties

[jarves]

What is Palao??

 

[Secur]

How would it lead to anarchy?

Lets see if you understand it this way, you cant even sight a moon together, forget the Caliphate which isn't even compulsory.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Those who say "ya Ali madad ", are also committing shirk. Shirk wont be forgiven by Allah

 

[Secur]

It is obligatory on Muslims to vote for Islamic parties

Pakistanis have demonstrated again and again, that they do no wish to vote for these Islamic parties, hence the reason the Mullahs haven't been able to form Govt by themselves and get the majority required for legislation, relying on all sorts of back deals with secular/liberals political parties or both to form one. Anyone wants to elaborate on these points?

 

[Nexus]

The more I see BS like this on the internet the closer I get to stop being a Muslim. So I actually have people like you to thank for my possible conversion.

And yes those are sins....very delicious sins lol

I Know how if feels when somebody pressure you to follow your Religion and your Religion is Real etc. etc.

 

[Indos]

So what you say is it's not compulsory to follow shariah for Muslims and the verses can be interpreted in other means, as in when there are non Muslims among the discussion than Muslim law does not need to be applied.

@Palao Eater and Muslim like him is some one that doesnt understand Islam well, some people like ISIS kind of people is so stupid to understand Quran and Hadist fully. In Shariah there is called "emergency situation" that can relax the implementation of Shariah law. Our shariah is not rigid.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You dont understand Quran, and try to interpret it. All what you have said is totally wrong. Lakum Dinukum Waliyadin (For you, your religion, and for me, my religion) Quran (Al-Kafirun). Please learn something in Islam before saying some ridiculous statement like this. Where is the verse in Quran that you try to interpret.....?

If your statement is referred to @Palao Eater logic, so you have to remove "Quran" words from your statement and replace it into "your logic"

If You have not read and understood the Quran, why criticize?

Wtf what nonsense are your talking about? What do you know about Islam or The Holy Quran?

I have read it, admittedly only the English translation.

 

[JonAsad]

Why is Palao eater banned?- he made a good case in OP-

 

[rockstar08]

yaar mujhe bhi koi Australia ya USA ka visa de do ... mai bhi islamic preaching mai a jaon ga , I promise

 

[livingdead]

@Palao Eater nehari eaters brother aka @Armstrong.

But why views differ radically?

i think arms made duplicate id to make this post...

One thing I don't understand is that the most virulent of retards find home in the west. How is that possible? Doesn't Australian immigration services check for mental health, before inviting you fvks to stay there?

This is no joke. Most Jehadi fundos that I've met / come across, have been educated abroad, even more so than the ones back home in Waziristan. Maybe, Saudi fvks have had a better chance indoctrinating you fools abroad.



Yups. We have one such Australian amongst our PDF ranks as well. 2 years back, he was one open Wahabi, nowadays he tries to lay low.

may be informat is right.. if you feel isolated/misfit (which is higher chance if you live in west) you become inward looking and spend more time in religion among other things.
On other hand, in pakistan, most people are busy with struggling for their own life. Also there is minimal isolation or racisim back home.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

And it does not matter what other people think. These 5 billion people can be invaded, made to pay jizya in a state of subjugation (if they are Jews and Christians), forced to revert to Islam or killed (if they are Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs etc).

You should write to more western liberal newspapers/sites. They are sure that you don't want to take over the world, just have your own little corner to yourself. Thanks for letting those of us paying attention know that we're in a state of war with you crazies.

Might point out that given the track record of Muslim countries of late, you're in no position to invade anyone. You can't keep your own revolutionaries in check, let alone stop a foreign force from doing whatever they want in your country. Invading someone else is seriously unthinkable. Where is this stable, self-sufficient Muslim world you're dreaming of??

 

[Koovie]

What is the ruling on democracy and taking a leadership role in parliment or other levels of the democratical government? What is the ruling regarding voting for someone in democracy? How was the islamic state organized, and governed in the classical times?.

Praise be to Allaah.


Firstly:

Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is.

It says in Mawsoo’at al-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib al-Mu’aasirah (2/1066, 1067):

Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) — you and your fathers — for which Allaah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allaah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism); that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not”

[Yoosuf 12:40]

“The decision is only for Allaah”

[al-An’aam 6:57]

End quote.

This has been discussed in detail in the answer to question no. 98134.

Secondly:

The one who understands the true nature of the democratic system and the ruling thereon, then he nominates himself or someone else (for election) is approving of this system, and is working with it, is in grave danger, because the democratic system is contrary to Islam and approving of it and participating in it are actions that imply apostasy and being beyond the pale of Islam.

But as for the one who nominates himself or nominates others in this system in order to join the parliament and enjoin good and forbid evil, and establish proof against them, and reduce its evil and corruption as much as he can, so that people of corruption and disbelievers in Allaah will not have free rein to spread mischief in the land and spoil people’s worldly interests and religious commitment, this is a matter that is subject to ijtihaad, according to the interests that it is hoped will be served by that.

Some scholars are even of the view that getting involved in these elections is obligatory.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on elections, and he replied: I think that elections are obligatory; we should appoint the one who we think is good, because if the good people abstain, who will take their place? Evil people will take their place, or neutral people in whom there is neither good nor evil, but they follow everyone who makes noise. So we have no choice but to choose those who we think are fit.

If someone were to say: We chose someone but most of the parliament are not like that,

We say: It does not matter. If Allaah blesses this one person and enables him to speak the truth in this parliament, he will undoubtedly have an effect. But what we need is to be sincere towards Allaah and the problem is that we rely too much on physical means and we do not listen to what Allaah says. So nominate the one who you think is good, and put your trust in Allaah. End quote.

From Liqaa’aat al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 210

The scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas were asked:

Is it permissible to vote in elections and nominate people for them? Please note that our country is ruled according to something other than that which Allaah revealed?

They replied:

It is not permissible for a Muslim to nominate himself in the hope that he can become part of a system which rules according to something other than that which Allaah has revealed and operates according to something other than the sharee’ah of Islam. It is not permissible for a Muslim to vote for him or for anyone else who will work in that government, unless the one who nominates himself or those who vote for him hope that by getting involved in that they will be able to change the system to one that operates according to the sharee’ah of Islam, and they are using this as a means to overcome the system of government, provided that the one who nominates himself will not accept any position after being elected except one that does not go against Islamic sharee’ah. End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (23/406, 407

They were also asked:

As you know, here in Algeria we have what are called legislative elections. There are parties which call for Islamic rule, and there are others that do not want Islamic rule. What is the ruling on one who votes for something other than Islamic rule even though he prays?

They replied:

The Muslims in a country that is not governed according to Islamic sharee’ah should do their utmost and strive as much as they can to bring about rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, and they should unite in helping the party which is known will rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah. As for supporting one who calls for non-implementation of Islamic sharee’ah, that is not permissible, rather it may lead a person to kufr, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And so judge (you O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) among them by what Allaah has revealed and follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you. And if they turn away, then know that Allaah’s Will is to punish them for some sins of theirs. And truly, most of men are Faasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient to Allaah).

50. Do they then seek the judgement of (the days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith”

[al-Maa'idah 5:49-50].

Hence when Allaah stated that those who do not rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah are guilty of kufr, He warned against helping them or taking them as allies or close friends, and He commanded the believers to fear Him if they were truly believers. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not as Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers) those who take your religion as a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before you, and nor from among the disbelievers; and fear Allaah if you indeed are true believers”

[al-Maa’idah 5:57]

And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. End quote.

Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (1/373).

Its easy to write such BS while sitting in a functioning democracy, isnt it?

 

[Indos]

If You have not read and understood the Quran, why criticize?

.

It is you that know nothing about Quran, I am a Muslim and understand Quran and hadist very well, just give me the Quran verses that become the basis of your ridiculous statement in your previous post......

 

[cloud_9]

What is the ruling on democracy and taking a leadership role in parliment or other levels of the democratical government? What is the ruling regarding voting for someone in democracy? How was the islamic state organized, and governed in the classical times?.

Praise be to Allaah.


Firstly:

Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is.

It says in Mawsoo’at al-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib al-Mu’aasirah (2/1066, 1067):

Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) — you and your fathers — for which Allaah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allaah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism); that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not”

[Yoosuf 12:40]

“The decision is only for Allaah”

[al-An’aam 6:57]

End quote.

This has been discussed in detail in the answer to question no. 98134.

Secondly:

The one who understands the true nature of the democratic system and the ruling thereon, then he nominates himself or someone else (for election) is approving of this system, and is working with it, is in grave danger, because the democratic system is contrary to Islam and approving of it and participating in it are actions that imply apostasy and being beyond the pale of Islam.

But as for the one who nominates himself or nominates others in this system in order to join the parliament and enjoin good and forbid evil, and establish proof against them, and reduce its evil and corruption as much as he can, so that people of corruption and disbelievers in Allaah will not have free rein to spread mischief in the land and spoil people’s worldly interests and religious commitment, this is a matter that is subject to ijtihaad, according to the interests that it is hoped will be served by that.

Some scholars are even of the view that getting involved in these elections is obligatory.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on elections, and he replied: I think that elections are obligatory; we should appoint the one who we think is good, because if the good people abstain, who will take their place? Evil people will take their place, or neutral people in whom there is neither good nor evil, but they follow everyone who makes noise. So we have no choice but to choose those who we think are fit.

If someone were to say: We chose someone but most of the parliament are not like that,

We say: It does not matter. If Allaah blesses this one person and enables him to speak the truth in this parliament, he will undoubtedly have an effect. But what we need is to be sincere towards Allaah and the problem is that we rely too much on physical means and we do not listen to what Allaah says. So nominate the one who you think is good, and put your trust in Allaah. End quote.

From Liqaa’aat al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 210

The scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas were asked:

Is it permissible to vote in elections and nominate people for them? Please note that our country is ruled according to something other than that which Allaah revealed?

They replied:

It is not permissible for a Muslim to nominate himself in the hope that he can become part of a system which rules according to something other than that which Allaah has revealed and operates according to something other than the sharee’ah of Islam. It is not permissible for a Muslim to vote for him or for anyone else who will work in that government, unless the one who nominates himself or those who vote for him hope that by getting involved in that they will be able to change the system to one that operates according to the sharee’ah of Islam, and they are using this as a means to overcome the system of government, provided that the one who nominates himself will not accept any position after being elected except one that does not go against Islamic sharee’ah. End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (23/406, 407

They were also asked:

As you know, here in Algeria we have what are called legislative elections. There are parties which call for Islamic rule, and there are others that do not want Islamic rule. What is the ruling on one who votes for something other than Islamic rule even though he prays?

They replied:

The Muslims in a country that is not governed according to Islamic sharee’ah should do their utmost and strive as much as they can to bring about rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, and they should unite in helping the party which is known will rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah. As for supporting one who calls for non-implementation of Islamic sharee’ah, that is not permissible, rather it may lead a person to kufr, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And so judge (you O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) among them by what Allaah has revealed and follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you. And if they turn away, then know that Allaah’s Will is to punish them for some sins of theirs. And truly, most of men are Faasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient to Allaah).

50. Do they then seek the judgement of (the days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith”

[al-Maa'idah 5:49-50].

Hence when Allaah stated that those who do not rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah are guilty of kufr, He warned against helping them or taking them as allies or close friends, and He commanded the believers to fear Him if they were truly believers. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not as Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers) those who take your religion as a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before you, and nor from among the disbelievers; and fear Allaah if you indeed are true believers”

[al-Maa’idah 5:57]

And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. End quote.

Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (1/373).

 

[Dr Lee]

If You have not read and understood the Quran, why criticize?


I have read it, admittedly only the English translation.

My friend, No. 1 if you have read translation can't justify and enables you to make conclusions while having theoretical bias with Islam. No. 2 According to Holy Quran , only following types of people can understand and get benefit from Quran.

1. A person who knows what's wrong and right , and lives life according to Rules given by Allah , not like animals , which do whatever they like to do
2. A person who believes strongly on existence Allah(God), Angels, Paradise, Hell, Gins etc,
3. A person who show obedience To Allah by doing Prayers
4. A person who speak truth and not a hypocrite.

No.3. You must have good knowledge of Torah, bible and history of Israelites (Bani Israel) , history of prophets from Adam (PBUH) to Mohammad (PBUH)

No.4 While reading Quran you must know its book of God given to us to correct our religion and to remove all those corruptions which are induced in Christianity and Judaism.

I recommend Tafheem Ul Quran whiten by Abu Al Aala Moududi , it gives comprehensive explanation of The Holy Quran. You may find English translation of it .