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I have been following this fiasco and yes I would say in the start it seems like all the strings are being pulled by the establishment but then didn't seemed like it. Or did I missed something like a meeting with the opposition or else? I have had no hopes from the judiciary because kehne ko to honorable lagaya jata hai but their rulings always sound way politicized. That is probably because noony toons have heavily invested there in the past 30 years. But then again why army?
I will forgive you for being forgetful and not focused due to the Roza. After Aftrari please envisage all the game Bajwa played and listened to the speech he gave in the international security conference and General Amjad (R) yesterday You Tube videos and all adds up. He is meant to be chief of the staff of an institution which we all look up to with respect and highest esteem but he only spoke Indian language and shifty words towards the Western masters.
I don't know much about other generals but this Bajwa is certainly compromised and must go along side with the Zardari clan and Nora family on the next plane out of the country for good.

Because your country is facing a regime change by a foreign hostile agency .
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Isnt it NRO+ . pichley Nro ne awaam ko kutta banaye rakha 10 saal .
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What next .. kal ko RAW paisey laga ker apni pasand ki government bana rahi hogi PAKISTAN mey .
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Who stopped IK from publishing the letter. Yahan 290 logo ko zinda jala diya jata ha or 10 saal baad markazi mujrim azad ghum raha hota . Or ek letter ko public hone se rokney k liye 20 mins mey faisla ho jata .
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Yaar kuch 10% hi ALLAH ka khof kha lo jitna tumhey America ka khof ha .🙏🙏

What you think is behind the US regime change assault some tooth fairy???? When US invaded Iraq, Libya and Syria was Israel was part of that invasions????? US is just a front man strings are pulled from elsewhere.
 
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PTI can only think ! but it is opposite now,.
He is the King and whole Pakistan is under him....... very sad..


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@SQ8 @Trailer23 @blain2 @Jango
@Great Janjua said very wisely that Jawans in their post have access to social media. They can see all army bashing. IK and PTI must endorse their courage, duty and sacrifices. Perhaps, make videos ready that:
1. how army helped in floods etc.
2. Then, how Indians muslims are being treated as fresh as 2-3 days ago in rajhistan. Make public aware army is there to protect from RSS goons who are openly declaring to rape Muslims women. That can be us if army is not there.
Army must talk to IK on this. Let IK make reference of these and then release videos. Nub this bud before its too late. At the moment, PTI members wd encourage endorsement from India, PTM, etc. They are young and emotional. I know Army has a lot of things to do but it must be done urgently, as it is high time for it.

I have mentioned Imran riaz, Hammad Azhar, Shabaz Gill, etc on Twitter. Plz talk to Moeed and Imran riaz. Especially, Imran riaz as his each video has million views and its viewership is mainly young people. They also condemned these trends but need a dedicated episode on it.
 
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What a speech, now you can fill in the blanks....... Hahahah
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The blood stained Jackets of Jawan who gave their last breath today and kept our flag high

discouraging the Jawans to leave their posts and hand this heaven to the traitors of motherland.
That's exactly what's happening right now bro. And who are being the traitor of this blood?? MQM London and Altaf Hussain are being reactivated in Karachi, traitor media persons are being brought back to the media, another bloodshed is being planned to take place in this whole region. And don't forget this is the same Shahbaz whose party leader and elder brother invited and met with "Hamd ullah Muhib" just hours after when he declared Pakistan as "Randi Khana". So I think that's now proven that Pakistan is actually a "Randi Khana" when these same corrupt swines have come back into the power by international and local collaborators including the Army's top brass.

So what do you think, on whose hands is the blood of these martyrs??? We the citizens, the nation of Pakistan, why would we sell our motherland and the blood of our martyrs?? What possibly we could get from it? But make the list of all those uniformed and non uniformed leaders, who have vested interests and have sold this blood to the foreigners for their own personal gain. And plz stop blaming each other for that. The show of traitors and sellouts have just started to begin and you already feeling the heat!


 
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Wow!!!! that would be best.. but considering Mohsin Dawar is not in bad books of US, so I dont think Bajwa would have any problem saluting him
So then he would paint "deshshat gardi" on Bajwa's uniform and take selfies with him and parade him in the whole area. Because technically Defense minister is the boss of all armed forces. And when Uncle Sam standing behind that minister, Bajwa would pissing his pants in front of him
 
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his fate will be one of a disgrace person like Anwar Sadat, of Egypt sold out his country. Plotting is happening and he knows it , I doubt he will ever be rubbing shoulders again with soldiers. Be hiding in his nuke bunker like putin, filthy little scum
 
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@SQ8 @Trailer23 @blain2 @Jango
@Great Janjua said very wisely that Jawans in their post have access to social media. They can see all army bashing. IK and PTI must endorse their courage, duty and sacrifices. Perhaps, make videos ready that:
1. how army helped in floods etc.
2. Then, how Indians muslims are being treated as fresh as 2-3 days ago in rajhistan. Make public aware army is there to protect from RSS goons who are openly declaring Muslims women. That can be us if army is not there.
Army must talk to IK on this. Let IK make reference to it and then release videos. Nub this bud before its too late. At the moment, PTI members wd encourage endorsement from India, PTM, etc. They are young and emotional. I know Army has a lot of things to do but it must be done urgently, as it is high time for it.

I have mentioned Imran riaz, Hammad Azhar, Shabaz Gill, etc on Twitter. Plz talk to Moeed and Imran riaz. Especially, Imran riaz as his each video has million views and its viewership is mainly young people. They also condemned these trends but need a dedicated episode on it.
It's not that much simple. If jawans and officers are angry then they should ask their higher ups, what they really have done to earn it. Army is just a federal department which comes under ministry of defense, just like immigration, customs, or WAPDA under water and power ministry. Army has almost nothing to do inside the borders of the country, while Police, WAPDA, Railways, Customs almost every other department has responsibilities within the geographic boundaries of the country.

ISI isn't a military organization. Just like CIA, Mosad, RAW or any other intelligence agency it should purely be a civilian organization. What soldiers have to do with the ISI and it's control? They have Military Intelligence for that matter. And then ISI has more operational history within Pakistan than the outside of Pakistan, which is it's actual job to do. In past decade even RAW outpaced us in grey zone warfare and Terrorist activities. They had networks of terrorism and terror financing all around 360° around Pakistan from Afghanistan to Iran. But they have been largely successful in saving them from similar fate as ours of daily bomb blast and suicide bomb attacks. Instead ISI specializes in regime change Ops in Islamabad, just in Islamabad they can't do it even in Afghanistan right now. And now have been a facilitator of regime change in Pakistan and host of foreign regime toppling mission rather than blocking that from actually happening which is one of it's primary job. ISI has a history to manipulate the judicial system of Pakistan and also forcefully interfering into other govt departments.

ISI and military's top brass have now become a liability and limiting factor in the stability and security of this country. And it has been happening for decades. We need a lot of restructuring to make this country stable and safe for everyone.

Restructuring and Reforms:
Military has to return to it's barracks and focus on their defenses on the borders and from external threats. They can be called for inside jobs when the circumstances suggest.

COAS, a Govt employee under the Defense Secretary shouldn't come out of his skin for power grab lust.

ISI should have Civilian agents as is the norm in all other countries.

111 brigade should be moved out of Islamabad and all civilian buildings. A civil force akin to US Secret service should be responsible for all vip protection and important Govt buildings security.

All paramilitary forces which come under Federal ministry of Interior should be cleansed of any Army personnels in key positions.

And it is nothing illegal, unconstitutional or out of the blue written here. That's how the whole world works, except a few banana republics like Pakistan. That's how the civilized world operates. Our elites love green card, the prosperity and the systems of the US. Why don't they adhere to the same constitutional rules themselves?? Even india is 100 times better than us in this regard. Now look how much stable their Govts are and actually can make policies and work on it rather than to be its toes all the time to plz the corrupt Bajwa.

I mean how hard is it to understand for some well educated minds here and all those ISSB certified commissioned officers working under that problematic, erratic and power hungry top brass which now has proven to be corrupt, a security threat and national security issue for the whole nation. That's why we are at the brink of tearing apart from within. Plz listen to voices of the Public. Those who came out yesterday weren't regular party workers, nor they were paid poor people for the protests. They were normal, middle class Pakistani youngsters and their families that make up majority of the brains and population of the country.

And this emotional blackmailing of the defenders of the motherland, the blood of the martyrs and marketing gimmicks not gonna save our country for long. This issue can't be just kept under the rug forever. Generals should Stop hiding behind the soldiers and they can't keep washing their corruption, treacherous actions with the blood of the innocent martyrs forever.

@SQ8 @Trailer23 @blain2 @Jango
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It's not that much simple. If jawans and officers are angry then they should ask their higher ups, what they really have done to earn it. Army is just a federal department which comes under ministry of defense, just like immigration, customs, or WAPDA under water and power ministry. Army has almost nothing to do inside the borders of the country, while Police, WAPDA, Railways, Customs almost every other department has responsibilities within the geographic boundaries of the country.

ISI isn't a military organization. Just like CIA, Mosad, RAW or any other intelligence agency it should purely be a civilian organization. What soldiers have to do with the ISI and it's control? They have Military Intelligence for that matter. And then ISI has more operational history within Pakistan than the outside of Pakistan, which is it's actual job to do. In past decade even RAW outpaced us in grey zone warfare and Terrorist activities. They had networks of terrorism and terror financing all around 360° around Pakistan from Afghanistan to Iran. But they have been largely successful in saving them from similar fate as ours of daily bomb blast and suicide bomb attacks. Instead ISI specializes in regime change Ops in Islamabad, just in Islamabad they can't do it even in Afghanistan right now. And now have been a facilitator of regime change in Pakistan and host of foreign regime toppling mission rather than blocking that from actually happening which is one of it's primary job. ISI has a history to manipulate the judicial system of Pakistan and also forcefully interfering into other govt departments.

ISI and military's top brass have now become a liability and limiting factor in the stability and security of this country. And it has been happening for decades. We need a lot of restructuring to make this country stable and safe for everyone.

Restructuring and Reforms:
Military has to return to it's barracks and focus on their defenses on the borders and from external threats. They can be called for inside jobs when the circumstances suggest.

COAS, a Govt employee under the Defense Secretary shouldn't come out of his skin for power grab lust.

ISI should have Civilian agents as is the norm in all other countries.

111 brigade should be moved out of Islamabad and all civilian buildings. A civil force akin to US Secret service should be responsible for all vip protection and important Govt buildings security.

All paramilitary forces which come under Federal ministry of Interior should be cleansed of any Army personnels in key positions.

And it is nothing illegal, unconstitutional or out of the blue written here. That's how the whole world works, except a few banana republics like Pakistan. That's how the civilized world operates. Our elites love green card, the prosperity and the systems of the US. Why don't they adhere to the same constitutional rules themselves?? Even india is 100 times better than us in this regard. Now look how much stable their Govts are and actually can make policies and work on it rather than to be its toes all the time to plz the corrupt Bajwa.

I mean how hard is it to understand for some well educated minds here and all those ISSB certified commissioned officers working under that problematic, erratic and power hungry top brass which now has proven to be corrupt, a security threat and national security issue for the whole nation. That's why we are at the brink of tearing apart from within. Plz listen to voices of the Public. Those who came out yesterday weren't regular party workers, nor they were paid poor people for the protests. They were normal, middle class Pakistani youngsters and their families that make up majority of the brains and population of the country.

And this emotional blackmailing of the defenders of the motherland, the blood of the martyrs and marketing gimmicks not gonna save our country for long. This issue can't be just kept under the rug forever. Generals should Stop hiding behind the soldiers and they can't keep washing their corruption, treacherous actions with the blood of the innocent martyrs forever.
Nawaz Sharif b yehe karna chahta tha hahaha
 
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It's not that much simple. If jawans and officers are angry then they should ask their higher ups,
Jawans are there to obey, not to question. That is how all professional armies work. What next "meray pait ma dard ha, may aaj larny nahi ja sakta"
ISI isn't a military organization. Just like CIA, Mosad, RAW or any other intelligence agency it should purely be a civilian organization
ISI has overwhelmingly military personals. Govt has FBI, Police, IB, CTD etc. ISI main job intelligence and covert operations for Pak army. Too bad they are used by martial law admin as spying on politicians, journalists, etc
And then ISI has more operational history within Pakistan than the outside of Pakistan
The amount of their operations are classified. Perhaps, they carried out 100,000 foreign operations, but can't tell.
They had networks of terrorism and terror financing all around 360° around Pakistan from Afghanistan to Iran.
They have contact with everybody and yes, they goof up a lot. Listen gen Tariq Khan with Arshad sharif.
Military has to return to it's barracks and focus on their defenses on the borders and from external threats. They can be called for inside jobs when the circumstances suggest.
They are at their barracks and not running the show. it is civilian govt. Yes, they can be behind one and two incidents.
All paramilitary forces which come under Federal ministry of Interior should be cleansed of any Army personnels in key positions.
Then change the naem of paramilitary
In an ideal democracy, army shd be under civilian control with their sphere of influence. Under sharif/PPP like creatures, it will be like police/judiciary etc. Incompetent and appeaser of the govt. Don't your remember IG Islamabad was picking up the pen for Maryam.
 
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Nawaz Sharif b yehe karna chahta tha hahaha
Nawaz's time is gone bro. He has lost popular support due to his recent past highly controversial and anti Pakistan actions. He was popular in the 90s though. And even IK maximum have at most 1 term left within him even if he somehow manages to come back, which seems very difficult if not impossible. We shouldn't focus on personalities now. If they weren't be here then there would be someone else to lead.

And I am really shocked to see a post couple of days ago where a pro military guy was just calculating that if IK is killed then there would be instability of these many months, if he dies of heart attack then there would be instability of that many weeks and that much reaction on social media. Wow they have just gone out of their minds now. Killing a popular leader is nothing before their power grabbing hunger and lust. They don't care if country spirals down into the chaos or even worse. And say PAK military have gone through those ups and downs many times before too 😳. And now blaming public for all that chaos.

By doing so for that much time, they have alienated themselves from all the ethnicities and regions of Pakistan. Balochistan and FATA was already out of control, Sindh, Karachi almost gone out of hand. Army is blamed to be majority Punjabi and Pathans. Now even majority KPK and Punjab have similar sentiments and resentments.

Now what's the way forward??? Do they gonna mark each one of us as traitors and in a futile effort fight each and everyone for that? So the whole nation becomes traitor but uniformed personnel especially their bosses are the most patriotic, up right, stainless characters made up of titanium, the true divine defenders and rulers of this country. It wouldn't go down well for anyone. They would have to choose a different path for the existence of this very state.
 
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Jawans are there to obey, not to question. That is how all professional armies work. What next "meray pait ma dard ha, may aaj larny nahi ja sakta"

ISI has overwhelmingly military personals. Govt has FBI, Police, IB, CTD etc. ISI main job intelligence and covert operations for Pak army. Too bad they are used by martial law admin as spying on politicians, journalists, etc

The amount of their operations are classified. Perhaps, they carried out 100,000 foreign operations, but can't tell.

They have contact with everybody and yes, they goof up a lot. Listen gen Tariq Khan with Arshad sharif.

They are at their barracks and not running the show. it is civilian govt. Yes, they can be behind one and two incidents.

Then change the naem of paramilitary
In an ideal democracy, army shd be under civilian control with their sphere of influence. Under sharif/PPP like creatures, it will be like police/judiciary etc. Incompetent and appeaser of the govt. Don't your remember IG Islamabad was picking up the pen for Maryam.
I tried to reason with you by giving many global examples of best practices but I think you aren't willing to listen to that. You have denied all the logical arguments and circumstantial evidences and want us to blindly believe in some fairytale stories that really don't exist in the reality. We can only blindly believe in one entity and that's Allah Almighty. All others would have to present the proof and be scrutinized to be believed.

You are making the same decades old mistake. MI is military Intelligence. All other agencies you named are either municipal level, provincial or federal at best for interior matters only. ISI chief like CIA is appointed by the PM and he should report directly to the PM as CIA does to the President. ISI is the only civilian agency tasked to do work on international scale like any other globally named agencies. And you are utterly wrong in saying that ISI is and integral part of the Army. Army has MI and many other internal agencies as well.

When ISI and Army has let an ideal democracy to work on its own?? There are countless biographies of judges where they said how ISI manages courts and other functions of the state. Why did Bajwa sent Nawaz out to cast vote in assembly for his extension. Even Maryam had to go as per the deal but IK stopped it from happening. ISI under military control has thousands of very well known dirty Ops to harras people and topple the regimes. And install their puppets over there. They have done bad to this country more than good. Destroyed the very fabric of the social system and have trapped the nation into this vicious cycle of internal instability.

And yeah those corrupt, compromised Nawaz, Maryam and Zardari suite them well for their objectives that's why military with the tool of ISI keeps them getting back to the power over and over again. Because the Generals then look angels before those corrupt and compromised people. But no one knows about those Generals because they reside behind huge walls of concrete with every possible security on top of it. Media isn't allowed to reach them. And their puppets in the regime can't question them.

But a person like IK was overshadowing all those medal ridden Generals. So he was a prime threat for their own kingdom within the Pakistan.

The same divine ISI and military has a shiny badge on its chest for defeating the "madr e Millat" Fatima Ali Jinnah upon the wishes of some uniformed person. Wow even those corrupt police and judges couldn't have risen to the ranks of those divine angels 😇 sent by God.
 
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