Views of ex-COAS on army’s ‘combat worthiness’ quoted ‘out of context’: ISPR

[HAIDER]

enemy doesn’t pounce on open invitations, go figure.

we give a gun to the enemy to kill us ...that's what Bajwa did.

 

[ghazi52]

.,.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651394387195097088

 

[Signalian]

we give a gun to the enemy to kill us ...that's what Bajwa did.

No diesel for tanks …

Tanks are part of strike corps which aren’t deployed against TTP except infantry formations diluted from strike Corps.

The other formations which use tanks are deployed in desert and they weren’t part of deployment in KPK against TTP.

 

[HAIDER]

No diesel for tanks …

Tanks are part of strike corps which aren’t deployed against TTP except infantry formations diluted from strike Corps.

The other formations which use tanks are deployed in desert and they weren’t part of deployment in KPK against TTP.

Sir with due respect, I am not aware of " Bajwa war doctrine" , where Tanks are frontline weapons or similar machines. That is a different discussion. If he means PA has oil supply for 15 days ..... do you think Bajwa should give statements to journalists. Every country's defence has some deficiencies but they have alternate plans. Ukraine war is an extremely good example of modern day warfare.

 

[Signalian]

@iLION12345_1
PA MBTs use multi fuel engines I reckon ?

 

[Imran Khan]

@iLION12345_1
PA MBTs use multi fuel engines I reckon ?

no need to go deep he mean to say no fuel (any type patrol diesel Lpg CNG Mobil oil MATTI KA TEL even sarsoon ka tel )

 

[Signalian]

Sir with due respect, I am not aware of " Bajwa war doctrine" , where Tanks are frontline weapons or similar machines. That is a different discussion. If he means PA has oil supply for 15 days ..... do you think Bajwa should give statements to journalists. Every country's defence has some deficiencies but they have alternate plans. Ukraine war is an extremely good example of modern day warfare.

Oil grade from Ukraine is also a discussion for a topic, so are multi fuel engines.

“Additionally, though the engines are multifuel diesels and run on any fuel, they are optimized to function with a particular grade of oil lubricant only available from Ukraine.”

@iLION12345_1
Need your comment on this.

 

[ghazi52]

.,.,
Dosron k sth acha hota hai or mera sth "Acha k lia hota hai"

 

[Signalian]

Sir with due respect, I am not aware of " Bajwa war doctrine" , where Tanks are frontline weapons or similar machines. That is a different discussion. If he means PA has oil supply for 15 days ..... do you think Bajwa should give statements to journalists. Every country's defence has some deficiencies but they have alternate plans. Ukraine war is an extremely good example of modern day warfare.

Where is PA deployed actively and which formations are used in that theatre of war ?

Deployed in KPK and light formations.

 

[HAIDER]

Oil grade from Ukraine is also a discussion for a topic, so are multi fuel engines.

“Additionally, though the engines are multifuel diesels and run on any fuel, they are optimized to function with a particular grade of oil lubricant only available from Ukraine.”

@iLION12345_1
Need your comment on this.

If I am correct, Pak biggest fleet is Chinese made frontline weapons. Even old T series tanks and new induction is also Chinese. But, yes T UDs status is unknown.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504075349449383938

How is Pakistan’s military equipment affected by the Russian invasion?​

By Usman Ansari
Mar 15, 2022

Pakistan's armored, top-of-the-line tanks take part in a military parade in Islamabad on March 25, 2021. (Aamir Qureshi/AFP via Getty Images)
ISLAMABAD — Despite having acquired key defense equipment from Ukraine since the 1990s, Russia’s invasion of the country will not cause support issues for Pakistan, as this weaponry was already being phased out, an industry source has told Defense News.
The largest Pakistan-Ukrainian defense deal was for 320 T-80UD/Ob’yekt 478BEh tanks, built by the Kharkov Machine Building Design Bureau, or KMDB. The tanks were ordered in 1996 and delivered during the 1997-1999 time frame, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
Ukraine’s Malyshev Plant also supplied the 1,200-horsepower 6TD-2 power pack for Pakistan’s Al-Khalid series of tanks, derived from Malyshev’s 1,000-horsepower 6TD powering the T-80UD. Malyshev, like the Kharkov Machine Building Design Bureau, is in Kharkiv, a city under heavy Russian attack.
The International Institute of Strategic Studies lists more than 600 Al-Khalid and Al-Khalid I tanks in service manufactured by Pakistan’s state-owned armored fighting vehicles manufacturer, Heavy Industries Taxila, or HIT. Therefore, one-third to half of Pakistan’s entire tank fleet would potentially be rendered unsupportable if the two factories in Kharkiv are destroyed.
However, an industry source with knowledge of HIT’s ongoing programs, told Defense News Pakistan was already replacing Ukrainian equipment before Russia’s full-scale invasion, which began Feb. 24.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity for security reasons, he said longstanding supply problems had forced Pakistan’s hand.
The main issue was the lack of an active production line at Malyshev for the 6TD and 6TD-2 power packs. It was reactivated on demand, but that inflated contract prices.

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Pakistan Army Victim to Faulty Ukrainian Oils​

Boris Kamchev - November 21, 2017
Allegedly defective oil produced in Ukraine was blamed for the failure of 30 Pakistan Army tanks last month after similar cases were reported in Ukraine.
The transmission units of the Al-Khalid tanks failed due to substandard oil, according to Pakistani and Ukrainian newspapers. Pakistan defense ministry officials were unavailable to confirm the case to Lube Report Asia.

Ukranian state procurement agency Ukrspetzeksport, which has exclusive rights to export Ukrainian military equipment and products, bought the oil from the Ukrainian lube producer Arian, according to Golos, a Ukrainian news portal. The oil bore the Azmol Garant brand name, which is owned by Agrinol, one of the largest lubricant makers in Ukraine.
Arian previously had a license to sell the oil in question but has not had such a license since 2015, Golos reported. The news site added that Arian nevertheless continued to market that oil and that Ukrspetzeksport favored Arian as its primary oil supplier.
Ukrspetzeksport also provided tank engines to the Pakistani army, Golos reported.
Early this month, Agrinols headquarters in Berdyansk was raided by Ukranian security and anti-corruption units after anonymous calls from Ukrainian Defense Ministry insiders claiming that oil used in the tanks of the countrys armed forces are defective, causing machinery to stall.
A commission found that the tanks in Ukraine failed primarily due to faulty engines. An investigation into the cause of the Pakistani tank failures found the oil to be the main cause.
An Agrinol company official told Lube Report Asia that the firm refutes the accusation that Agrinol sold the oils in question in both cases. These are politically motivated accusations and part of a persistent information war against the companys head, the official siad earlier this month. Agrinol is controlled by a board of directors led by Alexander Ponomarev, a longtime Zaporizhia region deputy in Rada, the Ukrainian parliament.
We dont sell any oils to Pakistan, the official added last week.
The Golos investigation conducted by an independent Ukrainian journalist claimed that Ukrspetzeksport supplied the oils in question for double the price of the original oil. During 2015-2017, the state agency shipped 200 tons of this oil to the Pakistan Army, and it continues to use the services of Arian for its international export procurement contracts.

 

[Signalian]

If I am correct, Pak biggest fleet is Chinese made frontline weapons. Even old T series tanks and new induction is also Chinese. But, yes T UDs status is unknown.

Engines in AK and AZ.

You mentioned 15 days supply of fuel. A conventional war will go nuclear within 10 days while intervention by global powers will incur as soon as war starts.

Also, keep an eye on military Armored and mechanised excercise in peacetime. They will completely stop for 3-5 years if fuel shortage is expected.

Sir with due respect, I am not aware of " Bajwa war doctrine" , where Tanks are frontline weapons or similar machines. That is a different discussion. If he means PA has oil supply for 15 days ..... do you think Bajwa should give statements to journalists. Every country's defence has some deficiencies but they have alternate plans. Ukraine war is an extremely good example of modern day warfare.

Should his words matter to whom it’s concerned ? LOC was dried down. It’s supposed to become hot sooner or later. That opens another front.

LOC and strike formations are standing against India while the active theatre of war is against TTP.

 

[HAIDER]

Engines in AK and AZ.

You mentioned 15 days supply of fuel. A conventional war will go nuclear within 10 days while intervention by global powers will incur as soon as war starts.

Also, keep an eye on military Armored and mechanised excercise in peacetime. They will completely stop for 3-5 years if fuel shortage is expected.

15 days are standard fuel supply, part of the old strategy. But not necessarily Pak-India goes nuclear after 10 days, well if they burn all their launching assets.

 

[Baburfromsarmarkand]

The Pak Army is good enough to hold its own against India (its only likely enemy) in a defensive war. That is all that is required.

Regards

Iran is also a potential threat, especially if US and Saudi go to war against Iran.

 

[IceCold]

“The army assures the people of Pakistan that we always took and will continue to take pride in our operational preparedness and utmost combat worthiness,” the ISPR went on to say.

Yes! We have seen your assurances.

Then reality struck

90,000 patloona waha chor ker haramzada wapas ahh ga. 75 saalon sa chutia bana raha hain quom ko.

 

[maithil]

LMAO... They just confirmed this by issuing denial. How hard was to keep their mouth shut?