Why are many Indian Muslims seen as untouchable?

[ranjeet]

The moral of the story: you can try to leave caste in India, but caste refuses to leave you.

Nope the moral of the story is Muslims failed these Dalits, They accepted Islam and bought the idea of "everyone is treated equally in Islam" but are still being treated as inferior by other Muslims.

 

[baajey]

is it so hard to believe that the moment a dalit converts to any other religion, century old traditions break and the upper castes form a beeline to marry their daughters to the converted dalit (well, not dalit anymore)

 

[ranjeet]

is it so hard to believe that the moment a dalit converts to any other religion, century old traditions break and the upper castes form a beeline to marry their daughters to the converted dalit (well, not dalit anymore)

Focus of the article is how Dalit Muslims are treated by Muslims. It has nothing to do with Hindus.

 

[baajey]

Nope the moral of the story is Muslims failed these Dalits, They accepted Islam and bought the idea of "everyone is treated equally in Islam" but are still being treated as inferior by other Muslims.

maybe except buddhism, each and every other religion just took opportunity of this scourge in hindu society to bolster their numbers. christian missionaries are doing the same, coupled with empty promises of easy money and what not.

Focus of the article is how Dalit Muslims are treated by Muslims. It has nothing to do with Hindus.

sorry i deviated.

 

[SrNair]

The questionn and bottom line is where it exists and where it's practised with immunity.

In India all religions practices this with immunity including Muslims and Christians .
I have been heard about this from our friends .

 

[shah1398]

Windjammer's posts are always with an intent to start a troll fest. Oscar sahab gives him free hand.

I would humbly disagree here as this very article has got much to do with Indian Muslims rather than India itself. It wud had been trolling if @Windjammer had quoted that Indian Muslims are behaving so bcz of Mr Modi or RSS etc

 

[The_Showstopper]

Honestly , I have never ever heard "untouchable Muslims" here in India. I don't know from where these "rant brigade" find new words everyday for Muslims only in Mr Modi regime. I know there are mostly converted Muslims lives here in south Asia but how do you find those who were dalit or who were not? Once one becomes Muslim , he is only Muslim in common sense.

No, this is nothing to do with Modi regime, so just chill. Though Islam prohibits any such sub-castes, but some people seem to have adopted it.

maybe except buddhism, each and every other religion just took opportunity of this scourge in hindu society to bolster their numbers. christian missionaries are doing the same, coupled with empty promises of easy money and what not.


sorry i deviated.

Focus of the article is how Dalit Muslims are treated by Muslims. It has nothing to do with Hindus.

In theory Islam does not have such concept, but in practice yes there is certain discrimination but it is not as widespread as Hinduism...

 

[Anubis]

Naah
Let me explain.
These ppl were originally Dalits (Hindu dalits) who converted to Islam/Christianity. But since the government gives subsidies to Dalits, they continued to cling on to their dalit status. Ergo Dalit muslims and Dalit Christians.
Interesting to see how well they play victim card.

Then what about Buddhists and Sikhs?

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

i asked simple question. i guess there are no more Nobles in PK.

What question did you ask?

Nope the moral of the story is Muslims failed these Dalits, They accepted Islam and bought the idea of "everyone is treated equally in Islam" but are still being treated as inferior by other Muslims.

Religion can not eliminate culture and tradition which is branched off of your nationality or ethnic group. Pashtuns follow Pashtun-Wali laws even though they contradict Islam; same can be said for Indian Muslims. It is deeply indoctrinated within them and is very hard to get rid of. It is a tradition and practice of not only Hinduism but India as well.

Discrimination based off of ethnicity is heavily prohibited within Islam. Muhammad (SAW) used to get very angry when his Arab companions used to treat or complain about his African companion and there was even this one incident where Muhammad (SAW) adopted a free-slave as his son because he used to get biased and discriminated against because of his previous status.

In Pakistan; caste influence is only within Christians and Hindus.

 

[Levina]

Then what about Buddhists and Sikhs?

What about them?
Buddhists and Sikhs are not treated as untouchables.
Nor are the Muslims, not even the "Dalit" muslims or atleast I don't think so.

One off incidents are quoted by journos who want to grab eyeballs.

 

[Parul]

I don't think there is any Caste in Sikhism. Its just the name that we are carrying as our sir-name. All the sikhs are treated equally. We follow the saying of Shri Guru Nanak which says "MAANAS KI JAAT SABHE EKE PEHCHANBO" which means that There is but one caste of human being, that is Caste of Humanity. There is nothing like Upper or Upper-middle or lower sikh. Its simply a SIKH.

Gurudwara Shri AMRITSAR sahib (Golden Temple) has FOUR doors each in one direction and it represents that we welcome anybody from any direction. The LANGAR which is common food is served in langar halls where everyone sit in row and have food be it a rich or a poor. There is nothing called untouchables in us.

Then what about Buddhists and Sikhs?

 

[ranjeet]

What question did you ask?


Religion can not eliminate culture and tradition which is branched off of your nationality or ethnic group. Pashtuns follow Pashtun-Wali laws even though they contradict Islam; same can be said for Indian Muslims. It is deeply indoctrinated within them and is very hard to get rid of. It is a tradition and practice of not only Hinduism but India as well.

Discrimination based off of ethnicity is heavily prohibited within Islam. Muhammad (SAW) used to get very angry when his Arab companions used to treat or complain about his African companion and there was even this one incident where Muhammad (SAW) adopted a free-slave as his son because he used to get biased and discriminated against because of his previous status.

In Pakistan; caste influence is only within Christians and Hindus.

But atleast religion can eliminate culture and traditions among the followers of a same religion, who promised that certain people won't be treated as an outcaste.

In theory Islam does not have such concept, but in practice yes there is certain discrimination but it is not as widespread as Hinduism...

If its not that widespread then I don't believe this article is true. It presents a different scenario.

 

[Spring Onion]

That's a flat out lie, did you forget about Dhimmi status? You all just replaced racial Dalit with a Religious caste system.

Pot calling the Kettle black?

do you even know what is dhimmi? how it is untouchability ?

 

[DesiGuy1403]

This is true not just for Dalit muslims, it exists in Dalit Christians. Dalits escape to Islam and Christianity from caste system only to find that it is even worse in them.

Why go to Dalits. One of my close friends cousin sisters family is a Christian convert. She wanted to marry some one from the same caste who converted.

In India reality is, Caste is >>>>>> religion

And it includes all religions Hindus, Muslims and Christians.

 

[Indika]

it is strange because there is no such thing among Muslims. wonder how Indian Muslims can practice a Hindu tradition of untouchability.

its very much same like arabs vs non-arabs. Discrimination will exist in one form or another untouchability is just an excuse.