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Why anti-Americanism continues to thrive in Pakistan

As I have said many times, Jinnah's Pakistan died in 1971. What we see today is Zia's Pakistan. Clearly.

Zia planted this hypocrisy at the core of national policies, so that the Army could mislead the people with religious motivation and berate USA as the great devil while benefiting from the same devil immensely to hide it from the people. And it works marvelously well. He was a clever evil man, indeed..
BS, what you see now is Bhutto's and Mushy's Pakistan.

Bhutto was the original Islamist and the genesis of our Afghan policy debacle plus the father of corruption and nepotism all of which are ingrained in the system to this day

And Mushy was the source of the prodigal sepoys returning to the colonial masters for ongoing colonial service after the mid-80's to early 00's hiatus, in addition to the cultural dividends that come with subservience to western cultural debauchery.
 
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The self-interest of a few threw the nation under the bus. All we had was a jack of all master of none fools guiding us. As a result, we never built upon the bureaucracy left to us.

But this isn't a new phenomenon but started during Mr. Jinnah's time. My father said in his early days; he read a book written by one of Jinnah's close associates. A group of government officials came to him requesting something behind closed doors, and Jinnah told them to come tomorrow. The next day after the meeting was complete and they left, Mr. Jinnah stepped out of the office with one hand in his pocket and said, "those around me are as useless as the change in my pocket."

@VCheng I agree Pakistan died, but I will say it was before 1971.

Let us just say that the disease progressed to the point where the actual death occurred in 1971.
 
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No, you are not. Any idiot can see that, but it's okay by me. :D
I can't help your cynicism. :D

Now, what is your view about why anti-Americanism thrives in Pakistan despite all the assistance Pakistan gets out of USA?
Because the USA gets manifold in return for their assistance. Either that or the both the US policy makers and you still put out milk and cookies for Santa.
 
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Why anti-Americanism continues to thrive in Pakistan

Normality cannot be achieved without Pakistan itself becoming a normal country, and Washington shifting its focus of interest to the people, from the ruling elite.
Touqir Hussain Published January 18, 2023 Updated about an hour ago
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Pakistan-US relations are on the mend. How far they will go and where they are headed is not yet clear, but the keenness to move forward is evident on both ends. However, one roadblock could possibly limit large-scale progress: anti-Americanism.
The fact is, in today’s world, no state relationship is sustainable without public support. A deep dive on anti-Americanism will, therefore, help Pakistan understand the facts of the relationship to avoid failed expectations and unfair blame in the future, and Washington to not repeat policies that have caused harm to both Pakistan’s interests and its own.

Not-so-right reasons​

Anti-Americanism exists in Pakistan for both right and wrong reasons.
The latter first: While the United States has often treated Pakistan unfairly and even high-handedly, public anger against the US for not supporting Pakistan against India in the 1965 and 1971 wars, is misplaced.
The US, in fact, did not break any treaty commitments by not coming to Pakistan’s aid. The Mutual Defence Agreement of 1954 dealt primarily with the supply of military equipment to Pakistan on a grant basis. The US was of the view that Pakistan violated Article 1, paragraph 2, of the agreement by using the weapons for purposes other than what they were provided for.
The bilateral Agreement of Cooperation signed between the two countries in 1959 stated that in case of aggression against Pakistan by another state, the US would take appropriate action (in accordance with the US Constitution). This included the use of armed forces and was envisaged in the US Congress’s 1957 Joint Resolution to promote peace and stability in the Middle East in order to assist the Government of Pakistan at its request.
The 1957 Joint Resolution states only one eventuality of the US coming to the aid of a country under aggression and that is in the event of communist aggression. Regarding the US attitude towards the Central Treaty Organisation (CTO), it never perceived the treaty as a military alliance.
Another unjustified instigator of anti-Americanism in Pakistan is the myth that nothing happens in Pakistan without US approval. The reality is that in Pakistan, political dynamics have nearly always functioned fairly autonomously, and the primary — though not always the sole — stimulus for the rise and fall of governments has been domestic, not external.
Yes, the US has previously had the reputation of causing regimes to rise and fall. But reputation is not proof. The world has changed, for better and for worse.
There is no doubt that the US still acts to gain and maintain influence in other countries where its vital interests are at stake but it is no longer in the business of secretly making and breaking governments. Instead, it has gone to war, used the weapon of economic sanctions and supported mass movements for change that serve its strategic interests, all in full view.

The genuine reasons​

There is no denying that there are genuine reasons for anti-Americanism as well. The elitist, army-led and feudal-dominated ‘organising’ idea of Pakistan has long had the US as its external pillar. To its credit, from 1954 to 1965, the US strengthened Pakistan’s defence capabilities and potential for economic development, and helped launch the platform for progress. But the partnership with the US strengthened the army, enhancing its political profile in the country.
American aid and political support helped unrepresentative and inefficient governments sustain power who benefitted from the relationship at the expense of the people. The American connection thus became complicit in Pakistan’s troubled democracy, causing public contempt against the US. This added to the widely-held view that the US had not been a reliable ally.
And then came another thorn in the relationship — the nuclear issue where America’s attitude was viewed as discriminatory by the public and government alike. It piled yet another layer onto the existing anti-Americanism.
Meanwhile, the 1979 Iranian revolution and unfolding of decades-worth of Iranian-US tensions began feeding anti-Americanism across the Islamic world. Pakistani and Iranian anti-Americanism came to reinforce each other, providing the nucleus of a broader sentiment against the US in the Islamic world.
A decade of Jihad in Afghanistan during the 1980s made Pakistanis more vulnerable to fundamentalist Islamic rhetoric than ever. This came in the backdrop of the larger Islamisation project set forth by General Ziaul Haq. Thus, as the Cold War drew to a close, the vast majority of the public, particularly the intelligentsia, harboured varying degrees of anti-Americanism.

The bad breakup​

With the imposition of Pressler sanctions in October 1990, this permeated to Washington’s most trusted ally — the army. The US had no reliable ally left in Pakistan.
The US response to the 9/11 tragedy, along with the ill-conceived war on terror, set in civilisational terms as a war of ideas, came to be seen as an attack against Islam by a vast majority of Muslims. As a consequence, anti-Americanism exploded uncontrollably.
Pakistan suffered greatly at the hands of the spill-over of the war on terrorism and the Afghanistan war. It came to threaten Pakistan’s stability — on one hand with the creation of the TTP, and on the other, by spreading anti Americanism among the wider population, making it vulnerable to radical influences.
The Pakistan Army had its own issues with the Afghanistan war. The war ended up creating an Afghanistan that was not consistent with Pakistan’s strategic interests. It resulted in an increasing amount of power and influence from India in Afghanistan, and India’s enhanced role in the region was attributed to Washington’s support.

My enemy’s friend​

India’s growing relationship with the US, especially the nuclear agreement, and Washington’s refusal to give Pakistan the same deal, fostered perceptions that India and the US were opposed to its nuclear programme, among the army and general public alike.
Anti-Indian sentiments and anti-Americanism merged. Religious, nationalist rhetoric was co-opted by secular and liberal circles who affixed it to their existing unhappiness with the wars on account of how Pakistan was dragged into it by a dictator leading to a prolonged undemocratic rule.
So, democracy, Islam, honour, sovereignty and nationalism all came to provide a common platform — anti-Americanism — to a wide cross section of political opinions, religious beliefs, and social statuses.

Enter Imran Khan​

After being in the political wilderness for years, Imran Khan realised he must first create a base in one part of the country. The opportunity came his way with the increased anti-American sentiment following the exponential rise in drone attacks, failing Afghanistan war and its continued horrendous spill over in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
The consummate politician that he is, Khan tapped into anti Americanism, Pashtun nationalism, resistance against a big power, and Islamism with a single stroke — support for the Taliban.
More than an expression of support for the Taliban, it was a symbol of opposition to America. He created a base in KP from where he could now expand his appeal to the rest of the country. He did so by stoking long-standing public anger and feelings of injustice at the hands of the country’s established political leadership, and a sense of victimhood, incited by America’s post 9/11 wars.
The strategy was to malign his political opponents and the system on one hand, and the US on the other, both in the worst possible terms. And then to connect his opponents and the US in a relationship that he described in the worst possible way — slavery.
It had a powerful appeal to the aspirations of the young, educated class and the Pakistani diaspora, especially in the West, whose increasing economic status was struggling to find social recognition due to the country’s negative image which they had hoped Imran would change.
Mostly well off, for them, the economy was not a priority, but the image, honour and nationalism. For the poor struggling for their survival, he tagged the “Riasat-e-Madina” label. So some he courted with hope, others with illusion and some with a choice of being better than his rivals.
Anti-Americanism not only helped him to come to power but also rescued him when he lost power. The cipher was a God-sent opportunity. Diplomatic language in the hands of a non-diplomat can be interpreted in diverse ways, and being a classified document, cannot be shared with the public.
An ideal situation for a politician to exploit its contents to political ends without being accused of falsehood. The document was seen as proof, validating his supporters’ long held negative perceptions of America and giving unquestioned credence to Khan’s entire political rhetoric.
And by highlighting the army’s shared interests with the US, he implied its involvement in the alleged conspiracy, broadening his appeal among those opposed to its domination of politics. The strategy raised his stock enormously.
As we look to the future, people need to recognise for the good of the country that Pakistan has had serious problems of governance, social change, democratisation and development, for which we ourselves are primarily responsible. The US has not created these conditions but merely exploited them.
The bilateral relationship between Pakistan and the US needs to become normal if it is to move forward; and it should move forward. A strong relationship is beneficial to both parties. But this normality cannot be achieved without Pakistan itself becoming a normal country, and Washington shifting its focus of interest to the people, from the ruling elite.

The real reason is the due to the double dealing of the Pakistani army. The Americans were right when they used to say that the Pakistani army says one thing, but does another. The Pakistani army makes promises behind closed doors and provides tacit approvals. The Americans have revealed this in front the world. Of course the Americans are far from perfect themselves and also have a habit of exploiting the other side.

The bitter truth is that the Pakistani army has created a big wedge between Pakistan and many countries. The US is on the top of this list. Had the Pakistani generals been forthcoming and honest to both the people and the nations they were dealing with we wouldn't be dealing with mass confusion and so-called mistrust.
 
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Because the USA gets manifold in return for their assistance.

Of course. It is only logical that USA does what serves its own national interests. Nothing stopping Pakistan from doing the same. Every nation, in fact, does the same. No newsflash or epiphany here. :D
 
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Of course. It is only logical that USA does what serves its own national interests. Nothing stopping Pakistan from doing the same. Every nation, in fact, does the same. No newsflash or epiphany here. :D

You were right all along. We were wrong and blind. No shame in admitting the truth.
 
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its two way traffic

its thrive as anti pakistanism thrive in USA
 
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The real reason is the due to the double dealing of the Pakistani army. The Americans were right when they used to say that the Pakistani army says one thing, but does another. The Pakistani army makes promises behind closed doors and provides tacit approvals. The Americans have revealed this in front the world.

The bitter truth is that the Pakistani army has created a big wedge between Pakistan and many countries. The US is on the top of this list.
Please, let's give this "its all army's fault" narrative a break. It's getting old and has lost currency in my mind. Unfortunately for a certain demographic in Pakistan, this has a lot of appeal.

You want the army to not engage in double-dealing and furthering the state's security interests then one simple solution - do muk-mukka on Kashmir and all of this goes by the wayside.
 
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Please, let's give this "its all army's fault" narrative a break. It's getting old and has lost currency in my mind. Unfortunately for a certain demographic in Pakistan, this has a lot of appeal.

You want the army to not engage in double-dealing and furthering the state's security interests then one simple solution - do muk-mukka on Kashmir and all of this goes by the wayside.

I am sick and tired of you defending the culprit. The entire world knows how the Pakistani army has been double dealing. Political engineering and double dealing is unfortunately a terrible habit developed by the Pakistani army.

Unfortunately, even Hussain Haqqani was right when he claimed that the Pakistani army is an untrustworthy entity. It really is. Unfortunately we were too blind to accept the reality. Better late than never.
 
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Please, let's give this "its all army's fault" narrative a break. It's getting old and has lost currency in my mind. Unfortunately for a certain demographic in Pakistan, this has a lot of appeal.

You want the army to not engage in double-dealing and furthering the state's security interests then one simple solution - do muk-mukka on Kashmir and all of this goes by the wayside.
Pakistani military should do the job it is paid to do. Which is defend Pakistan's borders. Do not interfere in politics. It's that simple.
 
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Pakistan is vociferously, to its own detriment, anti-American based on half-baked truths, propaganda etc. etc.. We have educated Pakistanis cursing the US and then once they get a chance to visit or live there, completely change their tune. Pakistanis, in general, have a very limited understanding of the US/West. That leaves our Khan Sahib, who knows the West better than any of us, to translate what the Amreeki are thinking. ;-)
Have you even lived and/or worked with them? or is the propaganda talking? The local natives always present west as some kind of utopia.

You are very correct.

The best part is when they move to the west, live amazing lives in the secular west but them foam at the mouth about how evil secularism is.
Pakistani religious conservative ideology is 100% a western ideology planted by them for their own purposes.
You are mixing economic prosperity and rule of order with secularism. Go read why Ghazwa-e-Badr was fought.

You lot enslaved your own people, robbed them of their wealth/culture/economy and imposed kaferization on them like Al-Andulus. The day your bubble burst, you would be another Abu-Sufian.
 
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That is true sanctions in 65 and 71 was the beginning but the F16 program was a huge success with the people of Pakistan and the stoppage came as a huge shock to the psyche of the people.

Deeper than that...
Pakistan military was armed and propped up to fight for the empire.
Sanctions followed when it failed to do so...
But, in Afghanistan it fought for the empire, it's very reason and purpose. It had to be defanged subsequently... and obviously it didn't bode well for the masses who were charmed and enamored with the west and U.S. in particular.
How could they‽
Pakistan for it's part kept a simmering conflict alive with India and it's military bloated as a balance of power... each one the needle to prick and remain consequential. Which is why WOT was and remains a boon for the military wigs in Pakistan... as perhaps may be demonstrated down the road ... in the meantime it may see it's relevance in Ukraine for all it's worth.
Though many now don't even know why they serve the empire to begin with...
 
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The people in Pakistan who benefit from America - like the ruling elite are not anti American. Those who suffer the consequences of our abusive relationship with America are. Not all of that is the fault of the Americans, but a lot is.

Correct. Only a very tiny Pakistani elite enjoy American benefits.
 
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