Why anti-Americanism continues to thrive in Pakistan

[VCheng]

The start of anti-americanism started when the USA refused to supply 70 F16s after 650m$ were paid in advance and 28 aircraft were ready for delivery. Later events excarbated the situation.

Well, what did Pakistan do despite being told not to, that lead to that US refusal? Does a place called Chagai ring any bells?

You need leverage with the Americans. We have none right now. All of it was invested in Taliban.

One would hope that such an investment would pay off well for Pakistan. How is that working out thus far?

 

[villageidiot]

And I could have sworn none of the above ever ruled Pakistan.

Of course. Let the people of Pakistan do that any time they wish to do so. Nobody is stopping them at all.

You are being disingenuous by limiting the argument to Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

You are being disingenuous by limiting the argument to Pakistan.

Well, this is the Pakistan Affairs section. It is you going off topic here.

 

[villageidiot]

Well, this is the Pakistan Affairs section. It is you going off topic here.

Right. A time and place for everything. Let us know if your OCD kicks in at the mention of non-Pakistani affairs in this section.

 

[VCheng]

Right. A time and place for everything. Let us know if your OCD kicks in at the mention of non-Pakistani affairs in this section.

At least my OCD is on topic, and not like your whataboutery.

Now, once again: Please look at the title of this thread.

 

[fatman17]

Well, what did Pakistan do despite being told not to, that lead to that US refusal? Does a place called Chagai ring any bells?



One would hope that such an investment would pay off well for Pakistan. How is that working out thus far?

Pakistan is a independent country and not a state of the USA. The aircraft were being purchased with sovereign funds not FMS Aid.

 

[VCheng]

Pakistan is a independent country and not a state of the USA. The aircraft were being purchased with sovereign funds not FMS Aid.

Of course. Pakistan took the decision that served its national interests the best, as is its right. And with every decision come pros and cons. And that is how it always goes.

 

[blain2]

The start of anti-americanism started when the USA refused to supply 70 F16s after 650m$ were paid in advance and 28 aircraft were ready for delivery. Later events excarbated the situation.

I think it goes way back. Post 1965, with our own misunderstanding of their interests vs ours, we could not come to terms with why they had disengaged. We could never understand this divergence that has cropped up from time to time. Other countries manage this divergence better than us and this goes for our lack of strategic importance or inability to hold our strategic importance (no matter what we say or think, we only become strategic when something really bad in the neighborhood happens). We go for a hard divorce each time and I have used pendulum swing to describe these embraces and divorces with the Americans..

 

[fatman17]

I think it goes way back. Post 1965, with our own misunderstanding of their interests vs ours, we could not come to terms with why they had disengaged. We could never understand this divergence that has cropped up from time to time. Other countries manage this divergence better than us and this goes for our lack of strategic importance or inability to hold our strategically importance (no matter what we say or think, we only become strategic when something really bad in the neighborhood happens). We go for a hard divorce each time and I have used pendulum swing to describe these embraces and divorces with The Americans..

That is true sanctions in 65 and 71 was the beginning but the F16 program was a huge success with the people of Pakistan and the stoppage came as a huge shock to the psyche of the people.

 

[villageidiot]

At least my OCD is on topic,

OCD is always on topic. Any deviation may result in serious mental breakdown and inability to have a discussion beyond the obvious.

and not like your whataboutery.

Now, once again: Please look at the title of this thread.

I didn't know I was supposed to confirm ahead of starting a discussion whether the other participant is able to distinguish rhetoric and whataboutery, but if it's any consolation, I am deeply sorry

 

[VCheng]

I am deeply sorry

No, you are not. Any idiot can see that, but it's okay by me.

Now, what is your view about why anti-Americanism thrives in Pakistan despite all the assistance Pakistan gets out of USA?

 

[-=virus=-]

pragmatic raho, why swim against the tide ?

 

[Menace2Society]

Pakistans exports figures. Look who is at the top. Pakistanis always end up thinking like Iranians or Afghans or Palestinians and cut off their own noses. Why isn't your deeper than than the deepest ocean and higher than the highest mountain friend your top buyer? Why are you so committed in isolating yourselves and allowing India full access? Even if Iraq or Afghanistan was nuked it shouldn't matter to you. You don't have unlimited oil or cash reserves to take some form of a moral stance, you have nothing.

If the yanks really hated you they would cut off trade relations and get their tshirts or rugs or whatever BS you are exporting to them from some place else. Then lets see how you replace the shortfall.

 

[PakFactor]

The main issue since the beginning of this relationship is multifold. However, the Pakistani side never established a working framework via its relationship with the US. It was left open-ended. With no boundaries, it gave the US the impression it was free to do what it would. As we all should know, open-ended relationships involve a little abuse. But Pakistan went further and always satisfied the US demands as a vassal state.

 

[Rusty2]

No, you are not. Any idiot can see that, but it's okay by me.

Now, what is your view about why anti-Americanism thrives in Pakistan despite all the assistance Pakistan gets out of USA?

Trying to explain to them that the US is literally the reason they exists is like yelling in the wind.
The US gave us the green revolution in the 50s and 60s which allowed us to feed so many people that they literally exist due to that.
Then, the US went around the world during the cold war and supported any right wing, religious conservative ideology that opposed communism. Pakistani conservatism's daddy is the US with its massi being Zia-Ul-Haq. Who cemented their ideology in Pakistan and who was a US stooge through and through.
Ultimately, Pakistani conservatives are those edgy teenagers who hate their parents and have a lot of anger towards them, but can't see that they literally exist due to daddy USA.
The funniest thing is that these people will then turn around and simp to the CCP, and actively atheist organization who is actively suppressing Muslims.