Why anti-Americanism continues to thrive in Pakistan

[VCheng]

Trying to explain to them that the US is literally the reason they exists is like yelling in the wind.
The US gave us the green revolution in the 50s and 60s which allowed us to feed so many people that they literally exist due to that.
Then, the US went around the world during the cold war and supported any right wing, religious conservative ideology that opposed communism. Pakistani conservatism's daddy is the US with its massi being Zia-Ul-Haq. Who cemented their ideology in Pakistan and who was a US stooge through and through.
Ultimately, Pakistani conservatives are those edgy teenagers who hate their parents and have a lot of anger towards them, but can't see that they literally exist due to daddy USA.
The funniest thing is that these people will then turn around and simp to the CCP, and actively atheist organization who is actively suppressing Muslims.

As I have said many times, Jinnah's Pakistan died in 1971. What we see today is Zia's Pakistan. Clearly.

Zia planted this hypocrisy at the core of national policies, so that the Army could mislead the people with religious motivation to keep keep suitably motivated in the preferred direction, and berate USA as the great devil while benefiting from the same devil immensely to hide it from the people. And it works marvelously well. He was a clever evil man, indeed. And the military has continued to build upon this policy since then, and will do so as long as the benefits keeping accruing for it at the cost of the people.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Not perhaps, it is indeed up to Pakistan to decide what currency serves its national interests the best. No one else can decide that for them.

And the empire appreciates your efforts!

As for the rest...
Pre "Rules based order" would have translated into reality actuality and not a bubble... perpetuated by endless coercion.
For example, a Pakistan without oil... would have gotten oil Saudis be damned as long as Pakistan can achieve it's goals or disintegrate into constituent parts more rounded and grounded in reality. Instead Pakistan is a source of cheap labor!

So, understand this the current reality, borders, distribution of resources, people, ethnicities or ethnic strife, loss of language and culture and environmental damage are all a necessity! A bubble perpetuated by the empire for its desire and benefit.

So, yes!
Manpower is needed and you'd be paid accordingly.

 

[SaadH]

Same reason why anti-imperialism thrived in subcontinent during the British Raaj.

When a third rate chaprrasi of the US State Department can bring down the democratically elected gov't of Pakistan on his whim than you are bound to engender a reaction.

 

[VCheng]

So, understand this the current reality, borders, distribution of resources, people, ethnicities or ethnic strife, loss of language and culture and environmental damage are all a necessity!

Utter bullshit, all of that. Blaming USA for such domestic issues is disgustingly erroneous. Let Pakistan solve its own issues as it sees fit. No one can stop it from doing so if it decides to do so.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Utter bullshit, all of that. Blaming USA for such domestic issues is disgustingly erroneous. Let Pakistan solve its own issues as it sees fit. No one can stop it from doing so if it decides to do so.

Listen CHANG!
I WANT THEM TO...

You just don't like your reflection.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

US abetted the Bajwa cartel in the regime change operation in Pakistan(or vice versa), and the populist Khan govt. was ousted, the reason for the current anti US sentiments.

Army is pro US, to the point of a stooge, and naturally people went against it as well. Earlier young educated class to a large segment was not anti US, this is new. The Mullah class was against US, the govt. elites were always pro American.

 

[VCheng]

Listen CHANG!
I WANT THEM TO...

You just don't like your reflection.

My reflection is pretty ugly to many, but I like it just fine.

Let them decide what they want to do. No one is holding them back from pursuing their own national interests.

 

[Rusty2]

As I have said many times, Jinnah's Pakistan died in 1971. What we see today is Zia's Pakistan. Clearly.

Zia planted this hypocrisy at the core of national policies, so that the Army could mislead the people with religious motivation to keep keep suitably motivated in the preferred direction, and berate USA as the great devil while benefiting from the same devil immensely to hide it from the people. And it works marvelously well. He was a clever evil man, indeed..

You are very correct.

The best part is when they move to the west, live amazing lives in the secular west but them foam at the mouth about how evil secularism is.
Pakistani religious conservative ideology is 100% a western ideology planted by them for their own purposes.

 

[VCheng]

You are very correct.

The best part is when they move to the west, live amazing lives in the secular west but them foam at the mouth about how evil secularism is.
Pakistani religious conservative ideology is 100% a western ideology planted by them for their own purposes.

Even better is overseas Pakistanis' professed love for Pakistan and IK. That is delicious irony at its finest, just like an Aitchison and Oxford educated PM foisted the SNC to keep the Pakistani children misguided and ignorant to keep as fodder.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

My reflection is pretty ugly to many, but I like it just fine.

Let them decide what they want to do. No one is holding them back from pursuing their own national interests.

Shows!

Them?
Funny CHANG...!

 

[PakFactor]

US abetted the Bajwa cartel in the regime change operation in Pakistan(or vice versa), and the populist Khan govt. was ousted, the reason for the current anti US sentiments.

Army is pro US, to the point of a stooge, and naturally people went against it as well. Earlier young educated class to a large segment was not anti US, this is new. The Mullah class was against US, the govt. elites were always pro American.

Let's say the U.S. did influence Bajwa & Co. to topple IK's government. But, then, Bajwa & Co. had a choice. They could have declined the offer and gone their separate ways, but instead, they chose to follow the U.S.

In the end, the choice was Pakistan's to make.

 

[El Sidd]

simp to the CCP, and actively atheist organization who is actively suppressing Muslims

Here comes the Mullah with the fetish.

 

[blain2]

US abetted the Bajwa cartel in the regime change operation in Pakistan(or vice versa), and the populist Khan govt. was ousted, the reason for the current anti US sentiments.

Army is pro US, to the point of a stooge, and naturally people went against it as well. Earlier young educated class to a large segment was not anti US, this is new. The Mullah class was against US, the govt. elites were always pro American.

Pakistan is vociferously, to its own detriment, anti-American based on half-baked truths, propaganda etc. etc.. We have educated Pakistanis cursing the US and then once they get a chance to visit or live there, completely change their tune. Pakistanis, in general, have a very limited understanding of the US/West. That leaves our Khan Sahib, who knows the West better than any of us, to translate what the Amreeki are thinking. ;-)

On the rest of your claim about "army is pro-US", let me just say they are pro-US because they see how their interaction with the Pentagon and US leadership helps Pakistan maintain a credible defensive posture. However, PA is not pro-US at the expense of China. For good or bad, the US remains "the" country of consequence for both Pakistan and India. It still remains the go-between and the interlocutor in messy situations. This bridge was badly burnt by our Khan sahib who could not hide his giddiness when the Americans left Afghanistan with his "emancipation" statement. As if things weren't bad enough, he painted the bullseye on all of Pakistan with his utterance.

I will leave economic support out of the above because we know where all roads lead. Those too fall under the influence of the amreekis. So carry on with blind anti-Americanism at your own expense. Turkey, KSA and quite a few others all have their issues with the US but they control the vitriol within their country and manage their issues. Such is not our case. We wear everything on our sleeve.

 

[VCheng]

Such is not our case. We wear everything on our sleeve.

Because the people are intentionally encouraged to remain misguided.

 

[PakFactor]

Pakistan is vociferously, to its own detriment, anti-American based on half-baked truths, propaganda etc. etc.. We have educated Pakistanis cursing the US and then once they get a chance to visit or live there, completely change their tune. Pakistanis, in general, have a very limited understanding of the US/West. That leaves our Khan Sahib, who knows the West better than any of us, to translate what the Amreeki are thinking. ;-)

On the rest of your claim about "army is pro-US", let me just say they are pro-US because they see how their interaction with the Pentagon and US leadership helps Pakistan maintain a credible defensive posture. However, PA is not pro-US at the expense of China. For good or bad, the US remains "the" country of consequence for both Pakistan and India. It still remains the go-between and the interlocutor in messy situations. This bridge was badly burnt by our Khan sahib who could not hide his giddiness when the Americans left Afghanistan with his "emancipation" statement. As if things weren't bad enough, he painted the bullseye on all of Pakistan with his utterance.

I will leave economic support out of the above because we know where all roads lead. Those too fall under the influence of the amreekis. So carry on with blind anti-Americanism at your own expense. Turkey, KSA and quite a few others all have their issues with the US but they control the vitriol within their country and manage their issues. Such is not our case. We wear everything on our sleeve.

Because the people are intentionally encouraged to remain misguided.

The self-interest of a few threw the nation under the bus. All we had was a jack of all master of none fools guiding us. As a result, we never built upon the bureaucracy left to us.

But this isn't a new phenomenon but started during Mr. Jinnah's time. My father said in his early days; he read a book written by one of Jinnah's close associates. A group of government officials came to him requesting something behind closed doors, and Jinnah told them to come tomorrow. The next day after the meeting was complete and they left, Mr. Jinnah stepped out of the office with one hand in his pocket and said, "those around me are as useless as the change in my pocket."

@VCheng I agree Pakistan died, but I will say it was before 1971.