Why anti-Americanism continues to thrive in Pakistan

[COOKie LOOkie....]

Ask any regular american on the street, Where and what is pakistan, 80% of the people don’t even know where it is. All they know is its a desert country in the middle east. So pakistan has no impact on a common american. Not relevant.

Anti america Rhetoric in Pakistan exists bc of the radicalization of masses done by the religious clerics and army(isi) as they needed people as cannon fodder for Soviet invasion of afghanistan.
This radicalization was embedded in generations to come to wont go away that easily.

And also trust me if i offer US citizenship to anyone of you here or in pakistan in general, will take it in a heartbeat, so this anti americism is just some hypocritical bs.

 

[Sayfullah]

Anti Americanism and American worshipping are both not good.
Pakistanis need to learn to be independent and promote their interests.
Pakistanis always looking for an abba either from east or west.
Our relationship with China and USA should be based on who helps further our interests the most. A balanced relationship is fine if it helps our interests the most. These countries aren’t your friends but just a temporary ally till you achieve what you want.
We need to learn to use countries for our interests.
Also this anti Americanism or anti Pakistanism in USA is because of Pakistan. It’s because of our weakness and horribly incompetent foreign policy and relations and completely non existence long term and strategic planning. We have no lobbies in usa while Indians always lobbying against us in usa while promoting anti Americanism in Pakistan. India when it wants to break our relations with someone it does this. We are too weak and stupid to counter it. That’s our fault.
Also American drone strikes contributed to anti Americanism. That’s again our fault. No country in the world with a grain of honour will allow another country to openly kill its citizens on it soil even if their criminals. Arabs have cooperation with USA against terrorists but they do not allow them self to openly be droned by Americans. There’s always a way to do things. If we need help for fighting terrorists there was 101 other ways than openly letting usa do drone strikes which often killed more innocents than terrorists. And we fail to understand what American interests and American expectations are from us. If we know this we can better use Americans for our interests.
If we have competent rulers none of this would happen even if our enemies launch the most intense propaganda campaigns against us.

85% Pakistan’s fault
10% Indias fault
5% America’s fault

 

[Destranator]

Number 1 reason - Al Qaeda psyops. Pakistanis were radicalized en mass to cut off their own noses.

If true, this is very ironic as CIA had funded the Mujahideen program which laid the foundations for Al-Qaeda.

 

[Menace2Society]

If true, this is very ironic as CIA had funded the Mujahideen program which laid the foundations for Al-Qaeda.

When it served its purpose they distanced themselves and expected Pakistan to do the same.

What did Pakistan do, they did the opposite, kept it alive by providing support to the Taliban and the mistrust between the yanks and Pakistan was born.

If Taliban had not been supported into getting power, AQ would never have become as strong and influential and 9/11 wouldn't have happened, TTP would not have existed and half of Pakistan would not have been radicalized.

As ever Pakistanis the authors of their own demise.

 

[M. Sarmad]

"Anti-Americanism is a pure totalitarian concept. The very notion is idiotic."

-Noam Chomsky

 

[villageidiot]

Of course. It is only logical that USA does what serves its own national interests. Nothing stopping Pakistan from doing the same. Every nation, in fact, does the same.

Glad we can agree on something.

No newsflash or epiphany here.

You asked the question

 

[TheSolution]

Please feel free to throw them out. Merely bitching and moaning about it will not do anything except to provide cheap entertainment for the world to see.

Are you advocating for an armed struggle?

 

[Al_Muhannad]

The cancer runs deep.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1615621574547177472

 

[TheSolution]

The cancer runs deep.

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I said it countless times but there wasn't a focus on nation & identity building for long enough. It was disrupted mid-way.

It was going good at the beginning but then these confused inferiority complex ridden cheap white copies entered the scene running around trying to alter things that go against the very foundation leading to confusion.

Honestly if they want to go full secular in every manner there's no purpose left for Pakistan. You might as well join India and stop trying to hold together this charade.

 

[Al_Muhannad]

I said it countless times but there wasn't a focus on nation & identity building for long enough. It was disrupted mid-way.

It was going good at the beginning but then these confused inferiority complex ridden cheap white copies entered the scene running around trying to alter things that go against the very foundation leading to confusion.

Honestly if they want to go full secular in every manner there's no purpose left for Pakistan. You might as well join India and stop trying to hold together this charade.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1441347753846714368

 

[epebble]

Ask any regular american on the street, Where and what is pakistan, 80% of the people don’t even know where it is. All they know is its a desert country in the middle east. So pakistan has no impact on a common american. Not relevant.

Maybe before 9/11. Not now. How could that be when for 20 years they have heard nothing but Iraq and Afghanistan on the airways and print. Every evening news or any news that showed some action in Afghanistan has Pakistan written next to it on the map. Killing of OBL was a big deal; I guess it commanded as much audience as the Titanic (the movie). Probably 1 in 10 or even 1 in 5 Americans can recognize the name Abbottabad now. It was probably 1 in a million before.

 

[TheSolution]

Ask any regular american on the street, Where and what is pakistan, 80% of the people don’t even know where it is. All they know is its a desert country in the middle east. So pakistan has no impact on a common american. Not relevant.

Anti america Rhetoric in Pakistan exists bc of the radicalization of masses done by the religious clerics and army(isi) as they needed people as cannon fodder for Soviet invasion of afghanistan.
This radicalization was embedded in generations to come to wont go away that easily.

And also trust me if i offer US citizenship to anyone of you here or in pakistan in general, will take it in a heartbeat, so this anti americism is just some hypocritical bs.

Whether Americans know of it or not makes absolutely no difference.

(They will know of it as long as they are not too young anyway)

There are many reasons apart from religion as to why America is disliked, to say it's exclusively religion is foolish because at the same time China next door, an atheist dictatorship accused of genocide against a predominantly Muslim ethnicity, is quite liked.

So cut the crap and instead look at the facts I presented just a few posts before yours.

 

[Rusty2]

Have you even lived and/or worked with them? or is the propaganda talking? The local natives always present west as some kind of utopia.


You are mixing economic prosperity and rule of order with secularism. Go read why Ghazwa-e-Badr was fought.

You lot enslaved your own people, robbed them of their wealth/culture/economy and imposed kaferization on them like Al-Andulus. The day your bubble burst, you would be another Abu-Sufian.

The problem with this argument is that you fail to see that secularism IS the reason the west has an economy.
We only have 24 hours in a day. While we spend that foaming at the mouth on who is Muslim and who isn't, the west spends that doing useful stuff like building their economy.
And you lot have done so much for Muslims and Humanity. Remember when Mullahs cured.... or that time Mullahs invented.... or how about that time Mullahs discovered..... hmmm....well, at least mullahs are great at indoctrinating kids so they go blow up mosques and schools.
The irony of all of this is that my advocation of secularism will mean less Muslims will die, while your advocation of a theocracy means more Muslims will die.

 

[Erieye]

The problem with this argument is that you fail to see that secularism IS the reason the west has an economy.
We only have 24 hours in a day. While we spend that foaming at the mouth on who is Muslim and who isn't, the west spends that doing useful stuff like building their economy.
And you lot have done so much for Muslims and Humanity. Remember when Mullahs cured.... or that time Mullahs invented.... or how about that time Mullahs discovered..... hmmm....well, at least mullahs are great at indoctrinating kids so they go blow up mosques and schools.
The irony of all of this is that my advocation of secularism will mean less Muslims will die, while your advocation of a theocracy means more Muslims will die.

Low IQ opinion, extreme oversimplifcation and taking the blame away from the morally bakrupt society Pakistan is. (corruption at every level, nepotism where the most unqualified people are suddenly in positions of power, horrible policies, unemployment rates, literacy rates, etc.)

Secularism is not the fix to your problems, in fact this is such an utterly misinformed opinion because you clearly don't understand the foundation of Pakistan and why this would lead to MORE problems.

Also your suggestion is not democratic by nature because the vast majority would not agree.

 

[Rusty2]

Low IQ opinion, extreme oversimplifcation and taking the blame away from the morally bakrupt society Pakistan is. (corruption at every level, nepotism where the most unqualified people are suddenly in positions of power, horrible policies, unemployment rates, literacy rates, etc.)

Secularism is not the fix to your problems, in fact this is such an utterly misinformed opinion because you clearly don't understand the foundation of Pakistan and why this would lead to MORE problems.

Also your suggestion is not democratic by nature because the vast majority would not agree.

Claims "Low IQ" Opinion, proceeds give no counter argument outside of "because I said so"
Lol, okay.
This is what passes for "High IQ" for the mullah gang here.
Instead of measuring IQ, why not give counter evidence.
Oh right, discourse in good faith is not your people's nature.
if it was, Mosques and schools would not be blown up all the time.