Why anti-Americanism continues to thrive in Pakistan

[Kompromat]

Pakistan's ruling elite are all loyal Americans.

 

[Abid123]

Number 1 reason - Al Qaeda psyops. Pakistanis were radicalized en mass to cut off their own noses.

Where do these people even come from? Sure buddy we are All "Al Qeada psyops".

Anti-americanism has nothing to do with how many times they sanctioned our country? Put arms embargo? Betrayed us in 1971? Bought agents to act against our interests. Raymond Davis? Ring a bell? Attacked our posts e.g Salala. Drone attacks in Waziristan and FATA killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent people.

Have some self-respect for yourself. That is all I am saying.

 

[villageidiot]

The fault is with the people for not stopping their rulers. After all, people get the government they deserve.

Wait, I thought the US was the global policeman, protector of the weak, champion of democracy, the force for good, the opposite of the axis of evil, but here you seem to be suggesting the it's the peoples' fault from not being able to overthrow unpopular governments, essentially dictatorships supported by the mighty USA.

Pakistan's ruling elite are all loyal Americans.

I think the word is patriot.
They are patriotic americans, in Pakistan at His Excellency's service

 

[VCheng]

you seem to be suggesting the it's the peoples' fault from not being able to overthrow unpopular governments

I am not merely suggesting that: I openly say it and support it. People should always get the government they deserve.

 

[beijingwalker]

Same here in China, why? ask America.

 

[VCheng]

They are patriotic americans, in Pakistan at His Excellency's service

Please feel free to throw them out. Merely bitching and moaning about it will not do anything except to provide cheap entertainment for the world to see.

 

[villageidiot]

I am not merely suggesting that: I openly say it and support it. People should always get the government they deserve.

Who gets to decide whether a particular govt is well-deserved by the people or if the people are opressed and need some freedom?

Please feel free to throw them out. Merely bitching and moaning about it will not do anything except to provide cheap entertainment for the world to see.

You sure you won't host them like you hosted the Shah?

 

[VCheng]

Who gets to decide whether a particular govt is well-deserved by the people or if the people are opressed and need some freedom?

The people themselves. They have the power to decide their course. Always.

You sure you won't host them like you hosted the Shah?

You sure you want to degrade your argument by such whataboutery? When did the Shah rule over Pakistan?

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Pakistanis have every right to be anti-American, if it serves their national interests. Just don't come a-begging for money for rescues, repeatedly.

Except it only helps perpetuate U.S. power and ability to coerce... set an elite, agenda items and legislation. The real deal... what matters.

The ability of U.S. to dole out it's inflation to achieve such is indeed the reason it remains relevant in far off shores.

Now back to your post... your play on optics to get the point across... why indeed should a foreign state need $$$.

But you need your own justification... relevance!
Go on...
 

 

[VCheng]

why indeed should a foreign state need $$$.

Any state is free to conduct its business in any currency it chooses. I hear the Yuan is a favored choice of many these days.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Any state is free to conduct its business in any currency it chooses. I hear the Yuan is a favored choice of many these days.

You sure! You teeth show through that green back emoji!
Well since you don't want to go there let's keep it here... perhaps Pakistan thinks greenbacks serve the purpose.
And, since you mentioned makes it abundantly clear that when you jump ship it is certainly time to go!

 

[villageidiot]

The people themselves. They have the power to decide their course. Always.

Strange. I could have sworn the people didn't topple the governments of Saddam, Qaddafi, Morsi, [INSERT NAME HERE], try (and fail) to assassinate Castro.

You sure you want to degrade your argument by such whataboutery? When did the Shah rule over Pakistan?

You sure you want to degrade your argument by throwing around irrelevant and untrue accusations such as whataboutery?

We are talking about how it's people who should overthrow their oppressive elites and rulers. And it just so happens that people did overthrow one such ruler in the neighborhood that I can think of. He was graciously hosted by the US, who risked their diplomatic staff rather than hand him over.

I suppose they really really wanted to cure his cancer. Nothing to do with reassuring other puppets that they will be taken care of in case things go south for them.

 

[VCheng]

perhaps Pakistan thinks greenbacks serve the purpose.

Not perhaps, it is indeed up to Pakistan to decide what currency serves its national interests the best. No one else can decide that for them.

Strange. I could have sworn the people didn't topple the governments of Saddam, Qaddafi, Morsi, [INSERT NAME HERE], try (and fail) to assassinate Castro.

And I could have sworn none of the above ever ruled Pakistan.

We are talking about how it's people who should overthrow their oppressive elites and rulers.

Of course. Let the people of Pakistan do that any time they wish to do so. Nobody is stopping them at all.

 

[fatman17]

The start of anti-americanism started when the USA refused to supply 70 F16s after 650m$ were paid in advance and 28 aircraft were ready for delivery. Later events excarbated the situation.

 

[blain2]

Pakistan need to adapt a policy where Pakistan comes 1st, like India
or have Independant foreign policy where Pakistani interest shine 1st.
Like India purchased Russian oil despite US ally.

You need leverage with the Americans. We have none right now. All of it was invested in Taliban. Not suggesting what was done was all wrong, but our pro/con analysis wasn't very accurate. ;-). Perhaps another case of speaking with hindsight.