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Who actually defeated Soviet Union?

Who actually defeated Soviet Union?

  • USA

    Votes: 13 27.7%
  • Afghanistan

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Pakistan

    Votes: 14 29.8%
  • The USA-Afghan combination

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • The USA-Afghanistan-Pakistan combination

    Votes: 19 40.4%

  • Total voters
    47
Hmmm for the bold part well would have been in peace so would have the region.

Really? You have the Red Army rampaging through Afghanistan, do you think they would stop there? Pakistan's biggest fear was invasion by the Soviet Union.

For the non bold part well if USSR was a sick country then whats with USA? USA Is not a sick country

Is US on the verge of collapse? Issues, yes. Collapse? No.
 
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After the USSR retreat from Afghanistan the soviet economy was in a very tough position. Furthermore parts of the Soviet Union saw this as an opportunity to gain freedom not fearing them anymore. You could say it was a catalyst for the mass uprisings. NOTE THIS: there's a reason Late Gen. Hamid Gul was given a piece of the Berlin Wall.
 
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piece of the Berlin Wall.
I got a piece as well. You can have one too. Then both of us can say we brought the mighty USSR down.

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My list

USA
NATO, Western Europe plus Japan and other allied countries of the West.
Soviet Union leaders (made critical mistakes)
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Saudia Arabia
 
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Really? You have the Red Army rampaging through Afghanistan, do you think they would stop there? Pakistan's biggest fear was invasion by the Soviet Union.

I know that was the theory at that time but there was another reality too and that was Afghan attacks on Pakistani areas.
My response was to your claims that if US dollars or intervention was not there then what would have happened to Pakistan. I say we would have been at peace. Even if USSR tried to invade Pakistan , it would have been a big hit for US or in other words balance of power in the world. So Pakistan was going nowhere


Is US on the verge of collapse? Issues, yes. Collapse? No.
We are not talking about collapse we are talking about defeat of big power/s in Afghanistan. US is no shinning example either
 
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Afghanistan by exposing the weakness of Soviet Union. America has fallen to the same trap now. They cannot leave because they would loose huge prestige by failing to win an army of villagers
 
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Actually I always wonder at copycat response like "Pakistan became arabistan" etc etc even by most educated ones who fail to search and understand that there is a hell lot difference between arabism and Islamism :). in fa ct Islam is negation of arabism.

As far as the Indian culture I would disagree because IVC is not Indian culture. Modern day India in fact has no indigenous culture as well. You can boast about ancient India as much as we can. The only difference is India has succeeded to preserve past ruins whereas Pakistanis failed to do so.

This is big achievement on part of India so far as long as tourism in this field is concerned

To Pakistanis Islam is Arabism !

IVC is Indian culture, just like todays Pakistanis are getting influenced by Indian culture, people at that time do have exchanged ideas and culture.
 
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To Pakistanis Islam is Arabism !

Sorry to Pakistanis it is not. It is frustrated elite in Pakistan who has Hindu roots who is too ashamed to accept their inferiority complex always try to link Islam with Arabism whereas the reality is that Islam is negation of Arabism and leads towards equality.

IVC is Indian culture, just like todays Pakistanis are getting influenced by Indian culture, people at that time do have exchanged ideas and culture.
We have debated it long. IVC Is not Indian culture. In fact today's Indians are more influenced by hinglish culture and in the process forgot own
 
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IVC is Indian culture
Tell me, there was no India 5,000 years ago how the mother lord can IVC be "Indian culture"? Produce me one piece of evidence that in IVC times there was mention of "India"? Just one mention?

What we do know as as late as 1840s soldiers of the East India Bengal Army regarded Sindh/Punjab of the Indus region (Pakistan) as "foreign soil" expected extra pay as compensation for being posted "abroad".

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I agree with @vostok to some extent. The Soviet Union certainly collapsed of its own weight, but Ronald Reagan and other western powers(mainly France and U.K) helped speed up the process.

We should not forget that Because of the high oil prices of the 1970s the Soviet leadership avoided serious economic reforms, such as those that saved Deng Xiaoping’s China.:) Instead, it relied on oil revenues as a means of keeping its decrepit economy going.:disagree: So by the early 1980s the Soviet Union was becoming a hollow shell, with an unreformed and increasingly backward industrial base producing outmoded pre-computer armaments.:argh: This made the U.S.S.R vulnerable to what western powers and mostly Regan were planning against her.
In fact , a central instrument for putting pressure on the Soviet Union was Reagan’s massive defense build-up, which raised defense spending (for the so called 'star wars' fictional project and increase in nuclear warfare modernisation) from $134 billion in 1980 to $253 billion in 1989:woot:. This raised American defense spending to 7 percent of GDP. Yet in its efforts to keep up with the American defense build-up, the stupid Soviet Union was compelled in the 1980s to raise the share of its defense spending from 22 percent to a whopping 27 percent of GDP, while it froze the production of civilian goods at 1970 levels.:disagree:
. This coupled with Afghan war where western powers and the U.S spent almost a billion dollars a year providing the Mujahedin with portable surface-to-air Stinger missiles, which proved devastatingly effective in increasing Soviet air losses (particularly helicopters, and other fighter jets), while the Soviets according to one estimates spent almost 5-6 times more, helped bankrupt the Soviet union.
The final nail in the coffin for the Soviets was also Regan's role in using economic policies to weaken the Soviet Union by helping bring about a drastic fall in the price of oil in the 1980s, thereby denying the Soviet Union large inflows of hard currency it needed to sustain its econony and defence Spending. :chilli:


Oops.....we should not also forget that role played by our former ally China. :enjoy:
 
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Tell me, there was no India 5,000 years ago how the mother lord can IVC be "Indian culture"? Produce me one piece of evidence that in IVC times there was mention of "India"? Just one mention?

What we do know as as late as 1840s soldiers of the East India Bengal Army regarded Sindh/Punjab of the Indus region (Pakistan) as "foreign soil" expected extra pay as compensation for being posted "abroad".

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The sites are not completely excavated, the evidence they are showing is conclusive either.

There is no evidence of mass movement nor big natural disaster, which means there is a high chance of continuous covilization that existed there.

There are cities in south India as well which dates back to same time period.

Sorry to Pakistanis it is not. It is frustrated elite in Pakistan who has Hindu roots who is too ashamed to accept their inferiority complex always try to link Islam with Arabism whereas the reality is that Islam is negation of Arabism and leads towards equality.


We have debated it long. IVC Is not Indian culture. In fact today's Indians are more influenced by hinglish culture and in the process forgot own

It is sub continent culture with some influences from Persia, Middle East and Central Asia.
 
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There is no evidence of mass movement nor big natural disaster, which means there is a high chance of continuous covilization that existed there.

There are cities in south India as well which dates back to same time period.

Lol. But why stop at Indus? There were towns in Iran too, Anatolia too, Europe too. Would you claim continuous civilization all the way too Europe?
 
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Lol. But why stop at Indus? There were towns in Iran too, Anatolia too, Europe too. Would you claim continuous civilization all the way too Europe?

Because East of Indus is always an integrated region because of geography.

Sindh and Punjab are a part of the plains which stretch upto Bengal.
 
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Because East of Indus is always an integrated region because of geography.

Sindh and Punjab are a part of the plains which stretch upto Bengal.

You do realize there are other large rivers between Punjab and Bengal, right? By the same logic, Ganges/Yamuna also separated people and cultures.
 
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