Which Pakistani Anti-Tank weapons can destroy Indian T-72s, and T-90s?

[Dazzler]

I read about it in a military journal in chinese. It talked about type-90 II platform. May be pakistan uses a different armor than chinese one. Even MBT 3000 VT-4 doesnt have 1100mm steel strength.

Also ERA is good for Heat rounds. What about T-90's effective AFPDS shell penetration of 900mm. That gun would shoot into the hull of type 90-II with no problem as i read. Its frontal armor is 700 to 735mm frontal strongest point. I read in that journal that chinese ditched the type-90 II platform because even its turret can be penetrated by a t-90A 's first prototype gun. Hence they chose heavily modified type 96B with 1000 mm armor but even that is said to be inferior to gun on latest T-90s . so they have type 99 as main front line tank.


I think thats the reason Alkhalid was uograded to Al khalid 1 standard as it had deficiencies. My personal opinion i can be wrong. I have no first hand knowledge.



Perhaps you mesured Al Khakud 1? And not type -90 II aka Al Khalid original.

Also alkhalid is composite armor all of it is not 100% steel. So even if it measures 1000mm it might not be equal to 1000mm of steel . composities are used to reduce weight of the tanks and armor.

 

[Basel]

Pakistan dont operate HJ-12 for now. When did we got those? Infact we dont have any Fire and Forget ATGM system operational

OMTAS or Mizrek-O will be spearhead of ATGMs of PA in near future.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

This image confrims what i have said above 670 mm of armor without ERA on turret, and just 850 mm highest on hull with special composite material. This is very bad when compared with t-90A even . when compared to M1A1 abrams its better but not against russian t90s .

But i do trust our armed forces they must have thought about it and this is just for public consumption for people like me. Reality would be different im sure. I realky hope it has 1000 mm armor atleast. But from what i see it has max of 735 mm.

 

[Dazzler]

This image confrims what i have said above 670 mm of armor without ERA on turret, and just 850 mm highest on hull with special composite material. This is very bad when compared with t-90A even . when compared to M1A1 abrams its better but not against russian t90s .

But i do trust our armed forces they must have thought about it and this is just for public consumption for people like me. Reality would be different im sure. I realky hope it has 1000 mm armor atleast. But from what i see it has max of 735 mm.

The thickest part of t-90As frontal armor reaches 660mm without ERA.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

The thickest part of t-90As frontal armor reaches 660mm without ERA.

If thats true then t-90A is inferior or exacly equal to Alkhalid original and hence there would not be a need for a purchase of t90a or s version from russia. Only reason that explains pakistan's interest in purchasimg 600 t90s from russia would be its gun with 900 mm pemetration with AFPDS shells.

 

[Dazzler]

If thats true then t-90A is inferior or exacly equal to Alkhalid original and hence there would not be a need for a purchase of t90a or s version from russia. Only reason that explains pakistan's interest in purchasimg 600 t90s from russia would be its gun with 900 mm pemetration with AFPDS shells.

True, in fact, usual thickness is less at sides, beyond 30 degree, it is disappointing.

When calculating the armor, one has to consider several things. For instance, the composite armor contains metallic/ non metallic parts, ceramics, STEF polymer, aluminium, NERA etc. The backplate is also included.

In t-90A you have

660+200+300 = 1160mm armor of steel thickness

In Al khalid

810+250+300 = 1360mm on average.

 

[volatile]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/army-orders-alcotan-shoulder-fired-anti-tank-weapon-system.497330/

Disposable solution Fire and forget and run

 

[Philip the Arab]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/army-orders-alcotan-shoulder-fired-anti-tank-weapon-system.497330/

Disposable solution Fire and forget and run

Its an RPG as all of them are. It can't track a target you do know that right if you fire and miss it wont go towards a target? Same as the RPG-7,RPG-28, RPG-32.

Honestly Jordan could supply Pakistan RPG-32s which can destroy Indian tanks in huge qualities. Jordan produces 50000 units a year and would probably give TOT or licensing.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

no need to fire twice, same 1 shell/missile carries 2 warheads. so shoot once hit twice

Pakistani tanks will not fight bharti tanks, they have a different solution for indian tanks

so no tank vs. tank battles

can't be avoided 100% of the time even if we use anti tank missiles or Attack Choppers. after all each side has more than 3000 Modern MBTS.

 

[Philip the Arab]

perhaps but I believe that Pakistan has 2 solutions. 1 for groups/columns of indian tanks and it does not involve Pakistani tanks and a different one for stragglers

Have you guys thought if fire and forget missiles work would with active radar homing as the longbow hellfire missile works. Basically you paint the target with radar waves and the missiles seeks it. The only thing that could make it not work I think is if a radio wave painter was not portable enough.

The AGM-114L, or Longbow Hellfire, is a fire-and-forget weapon: equipped with a millimeter wave (MMW) radar seeker, it requires no further guidance after launch—even being able to lock-on to its target after launch[9]—and can hit its target without the launcher or other friendly unit being in line of sight of the target. It also works in adverse weather and battlefield obscurants, such as smoke and fog which can mask the position of a target or prevent a designating laser from forming a detectable reflection. Each Hellfire weighs 47 kilograms (104 lb), including the 9 kilograms (20 lb) warhead, and has a range of 8,000 metres (26,000 ft).

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

perhaps but I believe that Pakistan has 2 solutions. 1 for groups/columns of indian tanks and it does not involve Pakistani tanks and a different one for stragglers

Nasr, raad, t-129 ,z-10ME, mi-35D , Cobra ah-1, alcotan 100, bakhtar shikan, HJ-10, M 901 tow vehicles, bgm 71 tow 2, hj-8E , hj-8L

To name a few in LAT and HAT units. Besides alkhalid and t-80uds in strike corps. To name a few options

 

[Damir877]

Baktar Shikan performed brilliantly against T-72(and it's improved yugo version M 84) during Bosnian war.As far as T 90 I don't kno, but it would be hard to imagine one to continue fighting after a direct hit...

 

[Itachi]

@HAIDER

tanks aren't sitting ducks no more bro...with the advent of hard-kill measures against ATGM's and RPG's along with software based soft kill methods and in the future, the use of lasers, you'll need a good salvo to kill any modern (like last year modern) and future tanks.

With the bettering of hard-kill (hitting the missile with a small kinetic warhead or simply blocking the incoming warhead) and soft kill measures (jamming or pathway distortion/manipulation) along with lasers, it'll be really hard to kill tanks in the future.

As the hunter evolves, the prey evolves too.

Plus, tanks move with the infantry and combat air support, wars in third world countries are not a good example at how tanks fare when two equally powerful & well equipped armies fight, even if one side is at a disadvantage, significant or not.

 

[Zhukov]

OMTAS or Mizrek-O will be spearhead of ATGMs of PA in near future.

Aren't both of these Air-to-Surface Missiles?

 

[Arsalan]

no need to fire twice, same 1 shell/missile carries 2 warheads. so shoot once hit twice

Pakistani tanks will not fight bharti tanks, they have a different solution for indian tanks

so no tank vs. tank battles

Thats for tandem warheads bro. We were talking about normal rounds with single warhead. Or so i believed.