Which Pakistani Anti-Tank weapons can destroy Indian T-72s, and T-90s?

[Signalian]

Tank is the most useless weapon in Pak-India standoff....sitting duck .

That's why both armies have 7000 MBT in total

 

[HAIDER]

That's why both armies have 7000 MBT in total

Doesn t matter. Both has fire and forget system.
India has

Pakistan has

 

[monitor]

what will be result of javelin or spike missile strike Al khalid MBT of Pakistan . result will be similar as T-90 T-72 . both sides might lost many Armour column by other sides .

 

[Signalian]

Doesn t matter. Both has fire and forget system.
India has
Pakistan has

I have posted about MBT survival Vs ATGM teams several times, cant be bothered again.

is there no such thing as an anti-tank shell that explodes twice?? does bakter shiken not mean Armor-piercing?

Mate, PA Baktar shikan has tandem charge warhead, it beats ERA by knocking twice (two stages of detonation).
TOW-II also which PA has.

As for SABOT round, it penetrates skillfully and does damage in one go.

what will be result of javelin or spike missile strike Al khalid MBT of Pakistan . result will be similar as T-90 T-72 . both sides might lost many Armour column by other sides .

MBT doesnt have one enemy.

There are ATGM, SABOT, HEAT, RPG, Artillery shell, mortar round, mines, IED's etc. On top of that there are mechanical failures, engine failure, tracks coming off, getting stuck in mud, rolling over etc. and last but not the least logistics issues, ammo and fuel supply issues, coordination and communication issues, loader/firer/driver mistakes and over all deployment issues in different terrains (yes some terrains are another big enemy of MBT).

so just mentioning ATGM is looking at a very very narrow picture.

 

[Shabi1]

There are several videos of HJ-8/Baktar Shikan destroying T-72s and I might add in Syria T-72s had been updated with ERA armor and they still got taken out with US supplied TOWs.

So in the antitank department Pakistan is covered and it has a massive stockpile.

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[Arsalan]

Its hard to hit the same sport twice on a tank.

Depends on your marksmanship.

With today's sensors and imagers, easy.

Its not like you will need to hit the same spot with pin point accuracy, which will be difficult even with good marksman ship and modern sensors. First hit will knock off the ERA tiles from a significant area (not like it will take out only one or two tiles) and all that area will be exposed to a second hit. Plus even with ERA in place the tank crew will most likely be immobilized for a few second due to the impact and the blast. Those precious few seconds can be decisive. Keeping this in mind, the current Indian tank fleet is well within reach of our current ATGM weapon systems which can defeat the T-72 T-90 armour.

That said, we do need to invest on at least one good Fire and Forget top attack anti-tank weapons. Considering how our military doctrine is more defense oriented, hundreds of these missiles with infantry troops will make life hell for any Indian advance. Not talking about APC/Tank mounted ATGMs (which are also required and have their own utility) but man portable shoulder fired, preferable disposable tube missiles. Get them with ToT and build them by THOUSANDS (same as we did with Baktar Shikan and today we can see its advantage at LoC)

 

[Signalian]

Its not like you will need to hit the same spot with pin point accuracy, which will be difficult even with good marksman ship and modern sensors. First hit will knock off the ERA tiles from a significant area (not like it will take out only one or two tiles) and all that area will be exposed to a second hit. Plus even with ERA in place the tank crew will most likely be immobilized for a few second due to the impact and the blast. Those precious few seconds can be decisive. Keeping this in mind, the current Indian tank fleet is well within reach of our current ATGM weapon systems which can defeat the T-72 T-90 armour.

That said, we do need to invest on at least one good Fire and Forget top attack anti-tank weapons. Considering how our military doctrine is more defense oriented, hundreds of these missiles with infantry troops will make life hell for any Indian advance. Not talking about APC/Tank mounted ATGMs (which are also required and have their own utility) but man portable shoulder fired, preferable disposable tube missiles. Get them with ToT and build them by THOUSANDS (same as we did with Baktar Shikan and today we can see its advantage at LoC)

Your post reminded me of your boxed defensive concept using active defensive mechanisms thank you for not bringing that up hahahaha I was dreading you will mention that strategy again

 

[PAR 5]

Most tanks are ambushed by ATGM squads with double or maximum triple taps. Single tap may cause little damage, double tap will disable and the third tap will penetrate and destroy the tank. Both BS and TOW are capable missile systems that are mainly wire guided.

 

[Arsalan]

Your post reminded me of your boxed defensive concept using active defensive mechanisms thank you for not bringing that up hahahaha I was dreading you will mention that strategy again

lolz. Well that was just for debate, i still feel it can work in some very specific conditions. It was not my own concept anyway, picked it from infantry battlefield formations.

As for the current post, i will point out that the first attack wont just knock off one tile and will create enough disturbance for a second strike, an area large enough that can be targeted as you pointed along with Dazzler.

 

[Zhukov]

Doesn t matter. Both has fire and forget system.
India has

Pakistan has

Pakistan dont operate HJ-12 for now. When did we got those? Infact we dont have any Fire and Forget ATGM system operational

 

[Philip the Arab]

Fire and forget missiles are expensive to make but worth it. Now the easiest route to go for an indigenous fire and forget missile would be an inertial one. Basically the missile measures the target speed, speed of wind, missile performance, and inertial guidance like accelerometers, and gyros to control the missiles actuators. Easiest to do and can destroy many tanks.


The Predator was a fire-and-forget weapon utilizing a pre-launch system where the gunner tracked the target three seconds before launch and the internal system measured target speed and direction and was used in conjunction with known missile flight performance to predict where the target would be when the missile was in a position to intercept. The missile's flight path would overfly the target aim point. A dual laser and magnetic sensor would detect the target and trigger the detonation of the warhead. The laser sensor would locate the positions of the leading and trailing edges of the tank, and the magnetic sensor would provide confirmation of the position of the tank. The missile also used an inertial guidance unit to guide the weapon over the predicted intercept point, compensating for crosswind and launcher motion (the launcher may be mounted on or fired from a vehicle). For direct attacks the missile acted as an unguided, flattened trajectory, line-of-sight weapon and the warhead detonates on impact.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

what will be result of javelin or spike missile strike Al khalid MBT of Pakistan . result will be similar as T-90 T-72 . both sides might lost many Armour column by other sides .

Alkhalid original has very inferior armor when compared from front against t-90 A even. A jevliain tow missile can easily penetrate Al Khalid.

No questions in that. Highest armor on alkhalid in front is on the turret itself that too equal to 735mm of steel strength. Not very good.

Alkhalid 1 and and t-80 uds however have better armor.

As for the topic .Pakistan mainly plans to hit indian tanks from air and with missiles hundreds of miles away. Missiles like hellfire and other stuff is there besides older bakhtar shikan.

 

[Dazzler]

Alkhalid original has very inferior armor when compared from front against t-90 A even. A jevliain tow missile can easily penetrate Al Khalid.

No questions in that. Highest armor on alkhalid in front is on the turret itself that too equal to 735mm of steel strength. Not very good.

Alkhalid 1 and and t-80 uds however have better armor.

As for the topic .Pakistan mainly plans to hit indian tanks from air and with missiles hundreds of miles away. Missiles like hellfire and other stuff is there besides older bakhtar shikan.

Whoever told you that Alkhalid has inferior armor, lied to you. I have seen and measured the thing myself. The frontal armor is thicker than both 90 and 80UD without ERA. Add 300mm and it will go above 1100-1300mm against HEAT. That is a respectable value by all accounts.

 

[cabatli_53]

@Philip the Arab According to last reports, Pakistan and Turkey have passed into advanced stage negotiations for OMTAS ATGM. Pakistani officials will test them in Pakistani terrains against different scenarios in following period.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Whoever told you that Alkhalid has inferior armor, lied to you. I have seen and measured the thing myself. The frontal armor is thicker than both 90 and 80UD without ERA. Add 300mm and it will go above 1100-1300mm against HEAT. That is a respectable value by all accounts.

I read about it in a military journal in chinese. It talked about type-90 II platform. May be pakistan uses a different armor than chinese one. Even MBT 3000 VT-4 doesnt have 1100mm steel strength.

Also ERA is good for Heat rounds. What about T-90's effective AFPDS shell penetration of 900mm. That gun would shoot into the hull of type 90-II with no problem as i read. Its frontal armor is 700 to 735mm frontal strongest point. I read in that journal that chinese ditched the type-90 II platform because even its turret can be penetrated by a t-90A 's first prototype gun. Hence they chose heavily modified type 96B with 1000 mm armor but even that is said to be inferior to gun on latest T-90s . so they have type 99 as main front line tank.


I think thats the reason Alkhalid was uograded to Al khalid 1 standard as it had deficiencies. My personal opinion i can be wrong. I have no first hand knowledge.

Whoever told you that Alkhalid has inferior armor, lied to you. I have seen and measured the thing myself. The frontal armor is thicker than both 90 and 80UD without ERA. Add 300mm and it will go above 1100-1300mm against HEAT. That is a respectable value by all accounts.

Perhaps you mesured Al Khakud 1? And not type -90 II aka Al Khalid original.

Also alkhalid is composite armor all of it is not 100% steel. So even if it measures 1000mm it might not be equal to 1000mm of steel . composities are used to reduce weight of the tanks and armor.