Which country is Pakistan's best friend ?

[NWO]

Hmmm..... US has always helped countries in times of natural disasters. Who have they not helped? Do not think that Pakistan is somehow receiving special treatment.

This is one of the great qualities of US. They help whoever is in need. Because of this, don't think Pakistan is somehow receiving special treatment because Pakistan is somehow America's ally.

 

[Nishan]

. . . Saudi Arabia is strangely quite; may be because the King is unhappy the way peace deal brokered by him between Mushraraf and the politicians was later ignored by PPP government. Or perhaps they would like their fundamentalist ally Nawaz Sharif to be in power instead of Zaradari. Whatever the real reason, fact remains that deposed Musharraf got better treatment from Saudi King than Prime Minister Gilani.

Looks like you're not acquainted with the News . . .

the Arab people Felt very sad about what happened to their brothers in Pakistan . . And began fund-raising campaigns to send aid to Pakistan . . the Efforts were on the official level and at the level of charitable and religious institutions:

Saudi Arabia:
Saudi Arabia start airlifting relief supplies for Pakistan’s flood victims on Wednesday, an official statement said on Tuesday. The supplies were ordered by Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah to alleviate the suffering of flood victims.
“The Saudi Royal Air Force will establish an air bridge to Islamabad to transport the relief supplies,” the statement said. The Saudi Finance Ministry has already arranged large amounts of foodstuffs, medicine, blankets and tents for the flood victims.
“We are coordinating with UN organizations to distribute humanitarian and emergency relief supplies worth $100 million, which the Kingdom had earlier allocated to support victims of natural calamities in Pakistan,” the statement said.
Pakistan’s worst floods have hit more than three million people so far and the death toll has climbed over 1,400, a spokesman for the U.N. Children's Fund said on Tuesday. Abdul Sami Malik said 1.3 million people were severely affected by the floods in the northwest.
Pakistani authorities are struggling to help victims of the flooding, many of whom have lost their homes and livelihood and say they had not received any official warnings that raging waters were heading their way.

UAE:
The President, His Highness Shaikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan ordered urgent delivery of relief materials to shelter displaced people in the flood hit areas of Pakistan
This came as General Shaikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces, received here on Sunday Pakistan president Asif Ali Zardari, who made a short visit to the UAE en route to Europe. Shaikh Mohammed conveyed Shaikh Khalifa’s condolences on the victims of floods.
Gen. Shaikh Mohammed expressed his sympathy with the families of the victims and reiterated UAE’s support to Pakistan in these difficult times.
The meeting was attended by National Security Advisor Shaikh Hazza bin Zayed Al Nahyan and Minister of Higher Education and Scientific Research Shaikh Nahyan bin Mubarak Al Nahyan.
President Zardari expressed appreciation to Shaikh Khalifa and Gen. Shaikh Mohammed and praised the UAE’s unlimited support and efforts to alleviate suffering of the people affected by the floods. The meeting also discussed bilateral relations and ways to enhance them, as well as regional developments and issues of mutual of interest. Over 1,000 people have been killed and 500,000 displaced by the floods in Pakistan — the worst in the country since 1929.

Qatar:
Doha: In collaboration with the Islamic Development Bank (IDB), Qatar Red Crescent (QRC) has announced a plan to provide primary assistance to the victims of the floods in North-West Pakistan, for which it has raised QR1.5m.
The first phase of Qatar Red Crescent’s aid will focus on bringing relief by providing basic needs in terms of tents, kitchen tools, food, water and personal health kits. A statement issued here said sending medical teams will also be part of the aid plan.
The second phase will be allocated to repair the damaged houses in the affected region, which needs a large intervention by humanitarian and civil society organisations, QRC said.
QRC’s team of volunteers and doctors have been in Pakistan since the 2004 earthquake. They spent about four years to provide medical care and help to the earthquake victims.
Meanwhile, the death toll from Pakistan’s worst floods in living memory topped 1,100 yesterday as outbreaks of water-borne disease emerged and penniless survivors sought refuge from the raging ********. More than 1.5 million people have been affected by monsoon rains, flash floods and landslides in the northwest province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, and at least another 47 have died in Pakistani-administered Kashmir, officials said. Thousands of homes and vast swathes of farmland have been destroyed in the region

Jordan:
King Abdullah of Jordan has expressed his heartfelt condolences and sympathies for the people who lost their lives and the families who were affected in the disastrous floods in Pakistan.
In a message, the king prayed Almighty Allah to rest the departed souls in eternal peace and bestow courage and patience on affected people to bear the tragedy, The king has given orders for the processing of military aircraft to deliver aid.

A Jordanian aircraft laden with relief supplies and a medical team on board on Sunday left for Pakistan joining relief efforts for millions of people who were made homeless by massive floods that ravaged the country's north-western region.

The relief aid, sent upon directives by His Majesty King Abdullah II, was donated by the Jordan Hashemite Charity Organization JHCO and included foodstuffs, medicines and medical equipment to help more than 20-million Pakistanis affected by the worst floods in the Asian nation's history.

JHCO Board of Trustees chairman, Prince Rashed Bin Al Hassan, said that the planeload was just an initial shipment and other aid would be ferried to flood victims by the Royal Air Force during the holy month of Ramadan.

Director of Special Medical and Humanitarian Tasks at the Royal Medical Services, Brigadier Mohammad Moheisn, said that onboard the relief plane was a 25-strong medical crew, including 9 doctors of different specializations and nurses as well as a team for control of epidemics and communicable diseases after reports of an outbreak of water-borne diseases in some flood-hit region.

"The Jordanian medics will work with their Pakistani peers and are expected to deal with various cases in addition to performing minor and major surgeries", Moheisn added, noting that another backup team will be dispatched later.

He explained that the team is provided with about 3.5 tons of medicines needed to treat infectious diseases including 21,000 vaccines for meningitis, cholera, typhoid and polio whose outbreak is a likelihood in such situations.

Pakistani Charge D'affaires in Amman, Zaheer Janjua, expressed his country's gratitude over the Jordanian assistance and said Amman and Islamabad maintained "solid and brotherly" ties.

Kuwait:
Secretary-General of the Kuwait Joint Relief Committee Faisal Al-Jeeran said on Monday that a delegation from the Committee will travel next Thursday to Pakistan for the distribution of relief assistance and basic needs for victims and displaced persons as a result of floods that swept northwestern Pakistan.
Al-Jeeran told KUNA that the Committee at its meeting, headed by Ahmed Saad Al-Jasser, acting Chairman of the Committee, decided to send a delegation to Pakistan for the distribution of relief supplies to flood-stricken people through coordination with the charge d’affaires at the Embassy of the State of Kuwait to Islamabad, Falah Al-Mutairi in order to facilitate the task of the delegation

Allah Almighty, Most Merciful we call you to Reduced calamities for our brothers in Pakistan . . Amin

 

[Pride]

In my opinion, it is still US of A. All Military/Aids, Drone technology, Flood relief, Support in NWFP/FATA to kill TTP terrorist is still given by USA while all Pakistanis are dead against them. Apart from all this, USA is only country which is still saving Pakistan in world diplomatic arena. People may come up with the theories that USA is doing all this for their favor and all then China is no different. Whatever they have done and doing, If analyzed properly, There is always an agenda is in that whether business or strategic.

 

[TaimiKhan]

In my opinion, it is still US of A. All Military/Aids, Drone technology, Flood relief, Support in NWFP/FATA to kill TTP terrorist is still given by USA while all Pakistanis are dead against them. Apart from all this, USA is only country which is still saving Pakistan in world diplomatic arena. People may come up with the theories that USA is doing all this for their favor and all then China is no different. Whatever they have done and doing, If analyzed properly, There is always an agenda is in that whether business or strategic.

Yes, that is exactly what the US is doing, for its own reasons.

Hadn't 9/11 happened, we would still be under sanctions and no aid / military sales, but since they are stuck up near by and want to get out of this mess and want to make a good image infront of the Pakistanis, they are doing so much help.

Do check out the recent articles after the floods came, the US sending helicopters has more to do with showing its good side to the people of Pakistan, that it is helping it to counter the negative image it has here.

Agreed, every country has its own agenda, but as far as China is concerned, it may have its own agenda, but they haven't betrayed us so far in the decades of friendship, as as a sign of a good friend has helped us built our infrastructure, rather then like the US give aid and let it go into the pockets of the rulers.

US may have given more aid, but the development work and investment and productivity wise, China has done most work.

 

[Pride]

Yes, that is exactly what the US is doing, for its own reasons.

Hadn't 9/11 happened, we would still be under sanctions and no aid / military sales, but since they are stuck up near by and want to get out of this mess and want to make a good image infront of the Pakistanis, they are doing so much help.

Do check out the recent articles after the floods came, the US sending helicopters has more to do with showing its good side to the people of Pakistan, that it is helping it to counter the negative image it has here.

Agreed, every country has its own agenda, but as far as China is concerned, it may have its own agenda, but they haven't betrayed us so far in the decades of friendship, as as a sign of a good friend has helped us built our infrastructure, rather then like the US give aid and let it go into the pockets of the rulers.

US may have given more aid, but the development work and investment and productivity wise, China has done most work.

See, this is your country and your POV the way you want to see. What I see from my angle, USA is actually helping Pakistan from beginning which is true even today whether it has helped you as friend to send N armed naval ship in Bay of Bengal in 1971. They helped you to provide all intelligence and training to have fight together with USSR which actually benefit you even today.

As you are talking about 9/11 and sanctions upliftment for their profit could you please care to explain the same with India. USA doesn't actually bother whatever Pakistani citizen's think about them and this is the reason even people were against them, They used drones for attack.

No country compromises it's benefit when it comes to their profit. The day when India-China business will be in thousands of Billions (right now 60 Billion) then you will definately here a different tune. The impact has just started like China stopped stapled Visa, supported us in Environmental meetings against westerners, Supporting for UN seat etc.. I am not comparing between India and Pak .. I am just taking out "Strategic" part from your relations...

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Yes, that is exactly what the US is doing, for its own reasons.

Hadn't 9/11 happened, we would still be under sanctions and no aid / military sales, but since they are stuck up near by and want to get out of this mess and want to make a good image infront of the Pakistanis, they are doing so much help.

Do check out the recent articles after the floods came, the US sending helicopters has more to do with showing its good side to the people of Pakistan, that it is helping it to counter the negative image it has here.

Agreed, every country has its own agenda, but as far as China is concerned, it may have its own agenda, but they haven't betrayed us so far in the decades of friendship, as as a sign of a good friend has helped us built our infrastructure, rather then like the US give aid and let it go into the pockets of the rulers.

US may have given more aid, but the development work and investment and productivity wise, China has done most work.

Where did US betrayed pakistan so far ? How is it US'S falt if your govt is corrupt ?
china is helping you only because india is there.

 

[Break the Silence]

Again I want to say...Its India..
Reasons:-
1- who fights with each other- Friends.
2- who competes with each other- Friends.
3- who helps each other in dificult times- Friends.(despite of tensions, Indo-pak helped each other a lots of time)
4- And like in movies- who becomes In- laws - Friends..

So... conclusion is "India -Pakistan are true friends..They love each other, they hate each othe..But never IGNORE each other.

 

[TaimiKhan]

See, this is your country and your POV the way you want to see. What I see from my angle, USA is actually helping Pakistan from beginning which is true even today whether it has helped you as friend to send N armed naval ship in Bay of Bengal in 1971. They helped you to provide all intelligence and training to have fight together with USSR which actually benefit you even today.

US never sent or was serious enough to send any ship to bay of bengal in 71 to help Pakistan, if it had wanted, it would have done so and not let India dismember Pakistan, this is a historical myth which has no basis.

US from day one helped Pakistan for its own use, first against its fight to control spread of communism and now for help in WoT.

As you are talking about 9/11 and sanctions upliftment for their profit could you please care to explain the same with India. USA doesn't actually bother whatever Pakistani citizen's think about them and this is the reason even people were against them, They used drones for attack.

I did not said anything about profits in monetary wise, i am talking about the mess they have created in Afghanistan, for that they wanted our help so they lifted the sanctions, for India they must have done to milk the cow money, for us it wasn't profits, but for their on war, yet again.

No idea what the bold part meant or what were you saying.

And as per your statement US doesn't actually bother what Pakistanis think about them, well plzzzz read the one of the purpose of hilary clinton's visit of Pakistan and also as said before read about the recent decision of sending in helicopters for flood relief and the basic purpose behind this decision.

Here read the first post in this link: http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...lief-missions-swat-valley-chinook-action.html

Here another one: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...stan+flood+aid+to+win+hearts+and+minds--bi-07

Here read the heading and first para: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h-hrZnbYFs50kcKT8gjWlpJuNcuAD9HCSJB80

No country compromises it's benefit when it comes to their profit. The day when India-China business will be in thousands of Billions (right now 60 Billion) then you will definately here a different tune. The impact has just started like China stopped stapled Visa, supported us in Environmental meetings against westerners, Supporting for UN seat etc.. I am not comparing between India and Pak .. I am just taking out "Strategic" part from your relations...

If India and China had been able to live as you suggest, than India would not had been beating the war drums and speeding up the development and deployment of its forces with respect to China and the borders with China. India would had banked more on the economic forces, but since it is upgrading its military by thinking about China, it seems your people running the country have some other thoughts compared to what you have.

Ever head of two Giants living together ??

And whatever China is supporting India about, its diplomatic as well as common shared interests which even US & USSR did during cold war even though they were arch enemies.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Where did US betrayed pakistan so far ? How is it US'S falt if your govt is corrupt ?
china is helping you only because india is there.

Plz read the history of US & Pakistan to know that, can't repeat obvious things which are every where.

Who is talking about corruption ??


No, China is not helping just becoz of India, China has other ambitions rather then just seeing eye to eye with India. It has global aspirations for which it needs good and reliable partners.

Even if tomorrow there is no India, we will still be having the same level of relations as of now.

India is not important enough to have any affect on the relationship of both.

 

[Icarus]

Countries are never friends they just have mutual interests.

 

[Icarus]

Plz read the history of US & Pakistan to know that, can't repeat obvious things which are every where.

Who is talking about corruption ??


No, China is not helping just becoz of India, China has other ambitions rather then just seeing eye to eye with India. It has global aspirations for which it needs good and reliable partners.

Even if tomorrow there is no India, we will still be having the same level of relations as of now.

India is not important enough to have any affect on the relationship of both.

I agree, U.S policy for Pakistan is short term, for example, in the 80s, we were getting F-16, their most advanced plane even before the NATO countries, soon after however, when US interests were exhausted, we were hit by the Pressler Ammendment.
China's policy is based around forging a strong bond and establishing a long term strategic alliance, they are also cultivating a fertile and competitave market for Chinese arms, weapons and machinery.

 

[TaimiKhan]

I agree, U.S policy for Pakistan is short term, for example, in the 80s, we were getting F-16, their most advanced plane even before the NATO countries, soon after however, when US interests were exhausted, we were hit by the Pressler Ammendment.
China's policy is based around forging a strong bond and establishing a long term strategic alliance, they are also cultivating a fertile and competitave market for Chinese arms, weapons and machinery.

Yes agreed, but so far what i have seen China doing is, it is increasing not only its military relations, it also invests in economic activity of the countries it wants to develop relationship with.

And as you rightly pointed out, they don't look at short term relationships like the US, they want long term ones with some output.

 

[KS]

Even if tomorrow there is no India, we will still be having the same level of relations as of now.

India is not important enough to have any affect on the relationship of both.

That only Time will tell if they r the same to u if India is not there or even if India becomes it's friend

 

[TaimiKhan]

That only Time will tell if they r the same to u if India is not there or even if India becomes it's friend

As i said, China is not just looking at India, it has global aspirations for which Pakistan can play an important role due to its location and placing among Muslim countries.

Its now upto us, how we make ourselves economically strong enough to play our part and be strong to stand alone if need arose.

It would be needing strong allies in case the same situation like Cold War starts, this time China and US opposite to each other.

So India is not just the one factor, not the whole equation or picture.

Can't see that part, not my problem.

Pakistan was the first Muslim country & 3rd or 4th non-communist country to have recognized China, and that also way back in 1950 and by 51 we had diplomatic relations with them, and during that time there was no India factor. So our relationship started just 3 years after our independence and continued till this day.

 

[Pride]

US never sent or was serious enough to send any ship to bay of bengal in 71 to help Pakistan, if it had wanted, it would have done so and not let India dismember Pakistan, this is a historical myth which has no basis.

Now please dont come up with another conspiracy theory. USS enterprise has been ordered on 11th Dec 1971, by Mr Nixon as not to grow influence of USSR in this area with friendship of India.While India asked the help of USSR. Read following excerpts of USSR naval commander of that time.

"Vladimir Kruglyakov, the former (1970-1975) Commander of the 10th Operative Battle Group (Pacific Fleet) remembes:

"I received the order from the Chief Commander 'To not allow access of the American Navy to the Indian military objects'.

- On the way of American Navy stood the Soviet cruisers, destroyers and atomic submarines equipped with anti-ship missiles. "

US from day one helped Pakistan for its own use, first against its fight to control spread of communism and now for help in WoT.

I did not said anything about profits in monetary wise, i am talking about the mess they have created in Afghanistan, for that they wanted our help so they lifted the sanctions, for India they must have done to milk the cow money, for us it wasn't profits, but for their on war, yet again.

Yes, USA has its own profit for fighting to USSR and not Communism (They were friend of China that time when China US has problems even being communist). Pakistan has its share of profit as well as there were more money and military equipments were flourishing and hence no extra pressure was on their economy.

Fighting on WoT was most non sensicle thing I can think off. You have to jump up in this war in any ways as you share your border with them and you were equally responsible to nurture Talibanis. Hence if you are getting aid and money to fight your war with your people on your land then they are actually helping you as your friends.

No idea what the bold part meant or what were you saying.

And as per your statement US doesn't actually bother what Pakistanis think about them, well plzzzz read the one of the purpose of hilary clinton's visit of Pakistan and also as said before read about the recent decision of sending in helicopters for flood relief and the basic purpose behind this decision.

Here read the first post in this link: http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...lief-missions-swat-valley-chinook-action.html

Here another one: DAWN.COM | Pakistan | US pilots fly Pakistan flood aid to win hearts and minds

Here read the heading and first para: The Associated Press: US stresses aid to Pakistan, eyeing improved image

Yes, you read right.. US government never care for any civillian voice whether it is Pakistanis. They always moved ahead and attacked agains people's wish in Afghanistan, Used drone planes in your territory, Attacked in Iraq for WMDs and change Saddam's regime while voting % of Iraqis were in favor of Saddam. Hence sending Hillary or peace messengers is only a way of show-off untill they have your government in their hand.

If India and China had been able to live as you suggest, than India would not had been beating the war drums and speeding up the development and deployment of its forces with respect to China and the borders with China. India would had banked more on the economic forces, but since it is upgrading its military by thinking about China, it seems your people running the country have some other thoughts compared to what you have.

Nobody beats drums of war, This is the way media percieves and presents. Having a stance militarily and diplomatically is different from people's responce this is the reason even if you hate most Mr Zardari you cant do anything. If China and India were in such bad shape then we will not have 60B$ business with us.

Ever head of two Giants living together ??

Dont worry in next 20 years you are going to see 3 giants together including Russia.

And whatever China is supporting India about, its diplomatic as well as common shared interests which even US & USSR did during cold war even though they were arch enemies.

Good, Now you got my point. Even you and Israels were arch rivals but got USSR arms through US and Egypt during Afghan war. China and India has same interest and that is flourishing economy. When it would be amalgamated properly. There will not be any support to Pakistan "Strategically" to counter India which is currently happening. Business between Pak and China will be running as usual.