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When Muslim, Sikh and Hindu soldiers fought together (WWII)

No, Muslims left the over whelming majority of Hindus and Sikhs be. The Sikhs and Hindus commited the over whelming majority of the crimes! No Indian lies will change that fact!

Pakistan will never forget the millions who sacrificed their lives for this Pak Sar Zameen, Insha Allah! :pakistan:

Were you home schooled by any chance?? Feels like the standard curriculum was not applied to your education....but hey..."Ignorance is bliss" right?
 
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The two nation theory was supported by Late M.A.Jinnah...and Akhand Bharat was supported by Sardar Patel and to some extent Mahatma Gandhi (Though he was not a hardliner)...in 1946 and 1947....

No one even bothers about this theory in todays scenario(May be some fanatics) .....so you can enjoy your theory and live your life dividing countries and world based on religion...

Pakistan was created for Muslim Indians.
Are you trying tio say ALL MSULIM ARE TERRORIST YOU RACIST !
 
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Were you home schooled by any chance?? Feels like the standard curriculum was not applied to your education....but hey..."Ignorance is bliss" right?

Not really same can be said about you, are you living in a bliss SINCE you're posting only stupid comments ?!
 
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Then why call it the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" if it was a safe haven for all minorities.....so the way you claim India is a Hindu dominated nation with large minority groups, it can be theorized that Pakistan wanted Muslim dominance....nothing else...once they got this, they were fine with any minorities living with......
How exactly were the Muslim leaders so convinced that Muslims would be discriminated against? Please lend us a few examples to show a trend of Hindu dominance when Hindus had not even taken up administrative positions....I call this hogwash!!!
And mind you it was the Hindu leaders against Partition....so Hindus did not mind living with the muslims, its was the other way around....
I think you stand corrected.

Actually Jinnah never changed the name to Islamic Republic of Pakistan, that was Mr. Bhutto.

Pakistan didn't want the Hindu tyranny. Initially it was agreed that India would be made into a Muslim East and West with a Hindu center. There will be complete autonomy to each side, but it will remain as one nation. Congress after initially agreeing to it, backtracked from it at the last minute.

It was clear at that time that the Hindus will always use their clear majority to tyrannize and dictate the rest of the Muslims.

Why would Hindus mind, they were going to become our Masters.
 
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Just in case you missed it, I repeat the golden words of Allama Iqbal:

In conclusion I must put a straight question to punadi Jawhar Lal, how is India's problem to be solved if the majority community will neither concede the minimum safeguards necessary for the protection of a minority of 80 million people, nor accept the award of a third party; but continue to talk of a kind of nationalism which works out only to its own benefit? This position can admit of only two alternatives. Either the Indian majority community will have to accept for itself the permanent position of an agent of British imperialism in the East, or the country will have to be redistributed on a basis of religious, historical and cultural affinities so as to do away with the question of electorates and the communal problem in its present form.
 
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Then why call it the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" if it was a safe haven for all minorities.....so the way you claim India is a Hindu dominated nation with large minority groups, it can be theorized that Pakistan wanted Muslim dominance....nothing else...once they got this, they were fine with any minorities living with......
How exactly were the Muslim leaders so convinced that Muslims would be discriminated against? Please lend us a few examples to show a trend of Hindu dominance when Hindus had not even taken up administrative positions....I call this hogwash!!!
And mind you it was the Hindu leaders against Partition....so Hindus did not mind living with the muslims, its was the other way around....
I think you stand corrected.

Reality is not black and white. The Fact is that there were some Hindu leaders who were for partition as well i.e. Hindu Mahasabites and RSS leaders for example Sarvarkar and Lala Lajpat Rai were strong advocates of this. Madan Mohan Malviya and Lajpat Rai left the Congress to form the Nationalist Party which advocated the partioning as well.


For example:
The Hindu Mahasabha leader Lala Lajpat Rai gave his feelings in The Tribune of December 14, 1924, some the excerpts are:

"Under my scheme the Muslims will have four Muslim States: (1) The Pathan Province or the North-West Frontier; (2) Western Punjab (3) Sindh and (4) Eastern Bengal.
“If there are compact Muslim communities in any other part of India, sufficiently large to form a province, they should be similarly constituted.

“But it should be distinctly understood that this is not a united India. It means a clear partition of India into a Muslim India and a non-Muslim India.
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So this was even before any Muslim leagure resolution had demanded a seperate muslim state. Sure majority Hindu leaders were against partition, but not all.

Similarly, at the same time there were a large number of muslim leaders were against the partition.
Ghaffar Khan's Red shirts or the Khudai Khitmatagar movement, the Ahrar movement, Punjab's Unionists Party muslim leaders, J&K's National Conference, the Sindh Muslim Conference party that formed the Sindh government, Bengals Fazl-ul-Haq of the Peasants' and Tenants' party and ofcourse the Deoband ulema were all representing muslim leaders (and were popular) who were against the partition.

You can see from the fact that almost 50% of the muslim population (looking at both India and Pakistan muslim population only) stayed back showing that saying all or even majority of muslim leaders were for partition is wrong. Infact if you take into account Bangladesh, and that NWFP was a Congress stronghold all the way until 1946 when the elected Assemble was dissolved controversially, that percentage would come down further.

So again, it was'nt just a matter of Hindu leaders against partition and Muslim leaders for it. It was much more complex than that and the role of the British (particularly in light of their declassified documents of that time) can not be discounted in any way.

Unfortunately, neither Indian nor Pakistani History textbooks highlight these facts.

Again, Pakistan was inevitable in those circumstances, it is an independant nation and will remain sovereign. I am not denying that. I am just laying down some historical facts.
 
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really? and you base this on what??

The last time a census was done by GoI was in 1980-81 where 5.7% of Hindus(mostly ST) and 4% of Muslims were found to have polygamous marriages. This aspect was never recorded again in later census. Ofcourse 5% of 900 million Hindus would be a much bigger number compared to 4% of 150million muslims.

However, Im sure that these percentages would have come down even further by now.

Source is Modern Indian family law
By Werner Menski


For the record, I want the Muslim personal law board in India to bring about strict guidelines around polygamy and divorce (which they have already done to some extent) to uphold women rights. Only if a set of requirements are met should a polygamous marriage be allowed.

There is already a massive movement going on to reform the law board and bring equality and justice to women in the light of Quran and sunnah but this process needs to be speeded up. Unfortunately, the Indian media doesnt give coverage to these type of news
Divorce cases in courts: AIMPLB launches refresher program for Muslim lawyers | TwoCircles.net
 
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Yes, Sikh and Hindu are serving now PA. Are we moving towards reunification:tsk:
I'm always telling you this over and over, Pakistan was made for the minorities of South Asia escaping the tyranny of Hindus in India. So far in India's 6 decade history there have been 6 genocides of minorities. A rate of a genocide every decade.

Hindus, Sikhs and Christians are equal Pakistanis - nothing less, nothing more.
 
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I'm always telling you this over and over, Pakistan was made for the minorities of South Asia escaping the tyranny of Hindus in India. So far in India's 6 decade history there have been 6 genocides of minorities. A rate of a genocide every decade.


Pakistan was not created for anything other than a religion......
Muslims wanted a country where they wanted an Islamic Constitution and everything to do with their religion...so Pakistan was created....

Well an example of Taranny would be Jaziya being collected from Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistan...Hindus and Sikh Population being pushed to the verge of extinction in Pakistan.....on the other hand the population of Muslims in India has more than doubled in Past 6 decades.



Hindus, Sikhs and Christians are equal Pakistanis - nothing less, nothing more.

Well Just go through this report...

The human rights situation of ethnic, linguistic, religious minorities, scheduled castes Hindus and indigenous people in Pakistan

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodie..._PILER_IDSN_Justice_and_Peace_Netherlands.pdf
 
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Pakistan was not created for anything other than a religion......
Muslims wanted a country where they wanted an Islamic Constitution and everything to do with their religion...so Pakistan was created....

Well an example of Taranny would be Jaziya being collected from Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistan...Hindus and Sikh Population being pushed to the verge of extinction in Pakistan.....on the other hand the population of Muslims in India has more than doubled in Past 6 decades.





Well Just go through this report...

The human rights situation of ethnic, linguistic, religious minorities, scheduled castes Hindus and indigenous people in Pakistan

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodie..._PILER_IDSN_Justice_and_Peace_Netherlands.pdf

And who collects this "Jaziya"? The Taliban. And let me tell you right here sir, the Taliban are NOT Muslims. And haha, minorities aern't exactly treated well in India either, so you're one to talk about Pakistan persecuting it's minorities, especially considering that the State itself does not take part in the discrimination. The same can not be said for India....
 
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And who collects this "Jaziya"? The Taliban. And let me tell you right here sir, the Taliban are NOT Muslims. And haha, minorities aern't exactly treated well in India either, so you're one to talk about Pakistan persecuting it's minorities, especially considering that the State itself does not take part in the discrimination. The same can not be said for India....

Usual ranting by Pakistani Posters...:argh: Are Taliban not Muslims.....great...

Its a great ploy.....If Pakistanis or Muslims are busy spreading terrorisim....you people declare them Non State actors and Non Muslims..in one breath..

But you are quick to label anything happening in India as a Hindu State policy...

Hippocratic :tsk:
 
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Usual ranting by Pakistani Posters...:argh: Are Taliban not Muslims.....great...

Its a great ploy.....If Pakistanis or Muslims are busy spreading terrorisim....you people declare them Non State actors and Non Muslims..in one breath..

But you are quick to label anything happening in India as a Hindu State policy...

Hippocratic :tsk:

When have i ever said the Taliban were Muslims? Wahabis, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, none of them are Muslims. And what is wrong with that? They kill innocents, not just Pakistanis. And no, I am refferring specifically to the caste system in India, as well as certain Hindutava elements in the Indian Goverment. Other than that, i have no qualms with India's current government. I like Manmohan Singh, i think he is a great man and a good leader :cheers:
 
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When have i ever said the Taliban were Muslims? Wahabis, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, none of them are Muslims. And what is wrong with that? They kill innocents, not just Pakistanis. And no, I am refferring specifically to the caste system in India, as well as certain Hindutava elements in the Indian Goverment. Other than that, i have no qualms with India's current government. I like Manmohan Singh, i think he is a great man and a good leader :cheers:

Ok so let me first tell you that Cast system is a Age old religious Hindu way to divide Hindu Population based on their work.....

We had
1. Bhramins: Who were learned ..teachers...and knowlwdgables about Vedas and religious books.

2. Kshtriyas: Who were fighters /and defenders of general public they use to rule based on their strength and disciplined nature.


3.Vaishys: The business Class

4: Shudras: Generally involved in Professions like Cleaning/ Weaving and other stuff....

The system got corrupted centuries ...and illtreatement of lower classes started.

And thats how the system was....prior to India being an British Coloney...


When India got Independence along with Pakistan...
The constitution of India revoked all the cast systems ....and made attempts to uplift the lower casts by providing Reservations..and other benefits.


Hindutva elements in Indian government are just like
Muslim hardliners Present in Pakistan Government....whats so different.....
 
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Not really same can be said about you, are you living in a bliss SINCE you're posting only stupid comments ?!

Are you seriously defending this fellow who believes that all crimes and atrocities in '47 were committed by hindus/sikhs only???..

Anyways...why am I wasting my time......
 
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Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus fought together as tools and slaves of the British!

Nothing to be proud of!

The same British that did what he said:

UWuwVMTZTD0[/media] - Zaid Hamid - War of Independence 1857, Against the British Empire (1/5)

Right on brother! Being used like a tampon to sacrifice your life to murder another innocent human being (whom you have no quarms about) for a racist bunch of lymmie biatches --- THIS IS NO REASON TO BE PROUD, RATHER DEEP SHAME!!! :angry:
 
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