When Islamic atheism thrived

[Hyde]

" God didn't fixed the moon perfectly because if he did how the world will accept that it was ever split. "

God Does not exist and is a myth for those who believe in myths.

True BB,

God can do anything and peoples of all era's of mankind has raised questions about God. What i don't understand is, It is the man who needs guidance from the God and not the God who needs to prove anything. God has done his job perfectly by sending messengers, Prophets and the Holy Books and made the human as the most intelligent creation of all times.

Now it is upto him whether he takes the guidance or not. Secondly God has done everything with a purpose, when the peoples of Hazrat Saleh A.S. challenged him and asked him to ask Allah to raise a Living Camel from earth - Allah had already given a birth to the camel inside that particular part of the earth. He knew peoples are going to ask this question so he did that in advance. If Allah did not fix the part of the moon (if there is a visible mark) it was for the mankind to know the truth of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) miracle and did not mean God can't do this.

 

[Kompromat]

True BB,

God can do anything and peoples of all era's of mankind has raised questions about God. What i don't understand is, It is the man who needs guidance from the God and not the God who needs to prove anything. God has done his job perfectly by sending messengers, Prophets and the Holy Books and made the human as the most intelligent creation of all times.

Now it is upto him whether he takes the guidance or not. Secondly God has done everything with a purpose, when the peoples of Hazrat Saleh A.S. challenged him and asked him to ask Allah to raise a Living Camel from earth - Allah had already given a birth to the camel inside that particular part of the earth. He knew peoples are going to ask this question so he did that in advance. If Allah did not fix the part of the moon (if there is a visible mark) it was for the mankind to know the truth of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) miracle and did not mean God can't do this.

Abu Jihil accepted it but never admited , it simply tells me that the people who doubt this are ultimately worse than Abu jihil.

 

[Hyde]

Abu Jihil accepted it but never admited , it simply tells me that the people who doubt this are ultimately worse than Abu jihil.

I am not doubting yaar - all i am saying is - after breaking the moon into two pieces - who knows if it was rejoined like before or Allah left the marks to recognize for later generations as a Sign

Of course it did happen i am not denying anything (if above post was for me)

 

[Kompromat]

True BB,

God can do anything and peoples of all era's of mankind has raised questions about God. What i don't understand is, It is the man who needs guidance from the God and not the God who needs to prove anything. God has done his job perfectly by sending messengers, Prophets and the Holy Books and made the human as the most intelligent creation of all times.


Now it is upto him whether he takes the guidance or not. Secondly God has done everything with a purpose, when the peoples of Hazrat Saleh A.S. challenged him and asked him to ask Allah to raise a Living Camel from earth - Allah had already given a birth to the camel inside that particular part of the earth. He knew peoples are going to ask this question so he did that in advance. If Allah did not fix the part of the moon (if there is a visible mark) it was for the mankind to know the truth of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) miracle and did not mean God can't do this.

He says that to you i am closer than your Blood artries but we cant see him , these are two different things aint they ?

He is out there , more closer than you think one just needs to find him as he has provided every single detail through his messangers and Books.

The formula of finding him (in my case) is he himself says " Be mine and i shall be yours. " , "Mere ban jao main tumhara ban jaonga".

These videos will be helpfull.

 

[Hyde]

He says that to you i am closer than your Blood artries but we cant see him , these are two different things aint they ?

He is out there , more closer than you think one just needs to find him as he has provided every single detail through his messangers and Books.

since you are inclined towards Sufism did you ever heard "Tum Ik Gorakh danda ho" by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan?

and it is said "God is a Myth - that cannot be solved - if you can solve this myth - then he is not a God"

 

[Kompromat]

zaki watch my videos , you will see something new !

 

[MilesTogo]

Question is not if the God/supernatural exists but what that supernatural force wants from us?

 

[Kompromat]

since you are inclined towards Sufism did you ever heard "Tum Ik Gorakh danda ho" by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan?

and it is said "God is a Myth - that cannot be solved - if you can solve this myth - then he is not a God"

Hazrat Sultan bahoo has said something For our dear secular self proclaimed enlightned proffessors and Phd's , Mullahs and all others who try to give verdicts and anylasis on the holy texts .

Jay kar deen ilam wich hona sir neezay kun charday hoo

athara hazar (18000) jo alim san agay Hussain they marday hoo

English translation:

If the deen (Religion) could have been understood by theoratical knowledge the heads of the Prophet (PBUH)'s family wouldn't have ended up raised on spears.

There were eighteen thousand scholars (Mullah's) in Yazeed's army , they would have died fighting for Hussain (RA) not Yazeed.

 

[Kompromat]

Question is not if the God/supernatural exists but what that supernatural force wants from us?

To accept his existance and his message .

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Isn't it the religious people who try to justify THEIR believes down everyone else's throat? I love it when religion plays the victim card and says that Atheists/Agnostics like to justify their beliefs based on scientific research. Sure there are Atheists/Agnostics who go out of their way to try to convince religious people that they are wrong, but those people are absolutely dwarfed in size compared to the religious ones who go about trying to spread their version of religion down everyone else's throats.

Atheists don't go in to Africa to convert people like the Christian missionaries are doing. They don't expand empires based on the pretext of religion like the Ottomans and Christians. They don't breach constitutions under the pretext of religions, they don't try to get Tax exemption status. Countries like Saudi Arabia or the rule of Taliban are far from allowing religion to be a 'Persona matter' rather they turn it into a political matter just like MMA. Atheist's dont go about banging on peoples door and telling them why their religion is wrong. In fact i had 2 mullah's come to my house 4 days ago trying to convince me to go to the mosque. In Toronto i had a bunch of Mormons stop at the bus stop to try to convince me to join the church of mormons and that in my opinion is going further than just having personal Beliefs and to say that Atheists don't belong on PDF is what i call Bullshit.

Atheism in context should not be discussed on PDF. Where did i said Atheists dont have place at PDF.

Secondly, considering all those things which you mentioned, they exist but does Atheism guarantees that they would disappear in there order. Highly unlikely, Corruption and lawlessness is been around since the days of Adam and Eve, they cant be eliminated but certinly can be controlled with boundaries enforced.Yes the religion has been defamed by the thugs in the house of saud,MMA.. etc etc but this phenomenon no way states that we should debunk it. Based upon that justification Everybody whose corrupt and does dirty deeds, his beliefs should be debunked even those of atheists.

God is the best preserver of religion. No one , even the Mullahs should be allowed to enforce there context of Islamic teachings. It should be left to the will/Intellect of individual to decide his/her faith. Alot of people even non muslims go into the gatherings of schollars like Zakir Naik/ they are not forced to go there/ its the spiritual aspect of this Beautiful Religion Islam which forces them to go there and listen to the guy for what he has to say.

IMHO dont carve Islamic teachings out from these thugs like MMA, Rely on personal research and listen to those for which you have a feeling in your heart, "Hey this guy speaks sense". the thugs in JI are ugly, its because of these pathetic sick AH Our religion has been defamed and is on the decline. Getting rid from these irhabists no way means making way for others.

We can go on & on with no end to this better not to go further that Path, As Religion Faith and beliefs are personal matters and anybody who tries to enforce his/her belief is worst of human kind...!!!

 

[Windjammer]

Guys i seldom divulge in religious debates as i only know the basics of Islam and it's teachings, however i did get into a tussle once with some one confused between Islam and science, this is the point i read once and thus raised it with him.
The open sky colours blue on a nice sunny day, but even on a moon lit night, why does it appear dark, a plant sibling is almost hard to distinguish in it's nursery but it grows out of the same earthen to produce on one side the zesty lemon and sweet mangoes on the other,not forgetting the rock hard coconut shells and the giant jackfruits. Science informs us that the likes of Dinosaurs were rendered extinct by a giant meteor crashing on to the earth yet in the same breath we are told the likes of Crocodiles and Whales are as old as the T-Rex, one wonders why the sky rock took a liking to the former. Just my two Annas gentlemen.

 

[Bang Galore]

Yeh I don't understand what I've been studying since 1999,,, I am too dumb,,,

That so-called genius synthetically made nucleic acids & then used GOD made DNA templates on which he assembled those synthetically made nucleic acids,,, so by steeling that GOD made arrangement of genes of nucleic acid he was able to get DNA strands that were synthetic copy of GOD-made strands...


Then they used a GOD-Made E.Coli & yeast's body to get more copies of those strands,,, Then they incorporated those strands into a hollowed out GOD-Made bacterial body, & hurray it started to replicate,,, So that proves there's NO GOD, because humans can take components of readymade GOD created life & fiddle around a bit & claim it to be 100% made by them,,, & then some atheists-minded jump out of couch at this news that finally they'd be proven right.


Craig Venter's research is scary, but not in the way you think - Telegraph


OK if u don't like the example of seeds,,, take example of cloning,,, where they steel DNA from a GOD-made cell & take body of another GOD-made cell then insert that stolen DNA into stolen body & then boast around that they have created life... Mr.Craig Venter just added synthetic DNA copied on a GOD-made DNA template into cloning process & is bragging of creating life from "scratch"... How convincing proof of absence of God.

Extraordinary stuff ! Why not just claim that God made Craig Venter and finish it there?

 

[VrSoLdIeRs]

as for splitting of the moon, and indian 'raja' saw it and he converted (so it wasnt only the sahaba) and he created the oldest mosque in subcontinent and it is known as Cherman mosque!!!! atleast 'something' happened otherwise how would that king know?

 

[VrSoLdIeRs]

the people here are again & again talking about the term 'Islamic Atheism', but not about the content of article

these things have been raised by atheists over n over again and have been answered as well (as i said in my first posts it took me 15 seconds to find an answer) but the thing is are you here to get an answer or a debate (as you didnt bothered replying to any of the posts directed to you)

if you are looking for an answer, you are at a wrong place, why didnt you go to a scholar in the first place??? if you are here for a debate you are more then welcome this atheism vs islam will keep on going!!!

thats exactly the point, you are too sacred to even read let alone think about the mentioned point/s

the ultimate thing is non of you have ever thought about challenging the super natural
miracles & divinity of words which are thrown at all of us right from the day we are born....

you are not scared right??? how much research have you did?i aint talking about the copy-pasted-wikipedia stuff, there are 6 collections of hadith known as 'Sehah e Sitah', did you ever bother reading even one?? or a tafseer of Quran?? i think the discussion ends here!!!

 

[MilesTogo]

To accept his existance and his message .

Humans don't have the capability to not accept the fact that there is something super humanly force out there.

As for his message, I doubt we have got any. You are entitled to your view.