When did South China Sea become China's "core interest"?

[Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ]

I saw, although there are still some vague words. Seems to get such information, a person's name, and some sailors will do some work, but critical information, it does not have any information or in the Spratly Islands Paracel Islands, where they go ? Do not know. What they do? Do not know.You can put all the text in that figure.
and if this figure is true, then it must have some information on the Paracel in Vietnam ancient books, it is best to go to find them.

It's hard for you to read it? We call Paracel as "Bãi Cát Vàng" that time (Yellow sand or something like that), try to find the Chinese word which mean yellow sand (or something similar to it).
Another text?
In Lê Thánh Tông (1460-1497), the "Toàn tập Thiên Nam tứ chi lộ đồ thư” (Vietnam's full map), released by the gov, contain Paracel and Spartly.
Phan Huy Chú (1782-1840), in "Lịch chiều hiến chương loại chí" and "Hoàng Việt địa chí" (geographic books), he described about the management of Vietnam over Paracel.

As early as the Tang dynasty 618～907),China sovereignty over Paracel , according to our ancient history books.

--->As early as the Tang dynasty (618 - 907),China's fishing movement over Paracel , according to our ancient history books.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Hell, I don't mean that Taiwan island belongs to Vietnam

Another "discovery", not "sovereign claiming" You must admit the fact that China haven't claimed/set sovereignty over Paracel until 1900s



We add English recently to the digital version, just because we want people around the world can read this.
The map which has English is called "An Nam đại quốc họa đồ" (Map of the great empire of Annam), released in 1838, Nguyễn dynasty.

In my opinion, you should see my post more clear, it is reply to your fellow, it seems, you completely misunderstood something.

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It's hard for you to read it? We call Paracel as "Bãi Cát Vàng" that time (Yellow sand or something like that), try to find the Chinese word which mean yellow sand (or something similar to it).
Another text?
In Lê Thánh Tông (1460-1497), the "Toàn tập Thiên Nam tứ chi lộ đồ thư” (Vietnam's full map), released by the gov, contain Paracel and Spartly.
Phan Huy Chú (1782-1840), in "Lịch chiều hiến chương loại chí" and "Hoàng Việt địa chí" (geographic books), he described about the management of Vietnam over Paracel.



--->As early as the Tang dynasty (618 - 907),China's fishing movement over Paracel , according to our ancient history books.

A fishing exercise, the Tang government will manage it as a territory in the official books?

Thank you, I will go check this information.

 

[huzihaidao12]

So show me the evidence which tell that Han/Tang/Yuan claimed/set sovereignty over Paracel.

OK I will read it.

China's main evidence are some ancient books. From HAN to QING, I can tell you the title and author, time, and their Chinese content, I tried to translate them, but my English is not good enough, please forgive this.

 

[huzihaidao12]

First, HAN, the first record that has found some islands on the South China Sea.

On the first route to open up the South China Sea

If you do not have enough sailing activities, it is not possible to find the South China Sea islands, first, there is an accurate record of the route on the South China Sea.

The earliest record is 《汉书·地理志下》, the author is 班固 Ban Gu (AD 32 - AD 92 ).

Can read it here ,《汉书》
http://www.guoxue.com/shibu/24shi/hansu/hsuml.htm

&#12298;&#27721;&#20070;·&#22320;&#29702;&#24535;&#19979;&#12299; <Han Geography>,here

http://www.guoxue.com/shibu/24shi/hansu/hsu_039.htm


Main, the Han emperor sent envoys to the maritime trade from southern China through South China Sea to reach the Indian Ocean, and finally returned.

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&#12298;&#21335;&#35028;&#24322;&#29289;&#24535;&#12299;, the author is &#26472;&#23386;Yang Fu(AD 50 - 150), according to the record, AD 77, to participate in the court's "virtuous response" was selected and awarded to Yi Lang(an important official), become involved in government ministers.

There is no online version, but here to download.
http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/15437174.html?from=like

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"&#28072;&#28023;&#23822;&#22836;&#65292;&#27700;&#27973;&#32780;&#22810;&#30913;&#30707;"

A place in the South China Sea, there are many shallow reefs.


Therefore infer that the first time the South China Sea should be in the HAN dynasty.

 

[huzihaidao12]

May take some time, I will slowly to complete it.

Continue tomorrow. Your information I will carefully look.

 

[&#272;&#7843;o B&#7841;ch Long V&#7929;]

In my opinion, you should see my post more clear, it is reply to your fellow, it seems, you completely misunderstood something.

Like what?
BTW, from your link:
111BC, China started to occupy and govern the Southern Sea Islands.
==> I need proof, what kind of "China" here (what dynasty, what ethnic ...etc...), and what book records that information.

A fishing exercise, the Tang government will manage it as a territory in the official books?

Just check your evidences from the beginning up to now, a bunch of fishing movement.
With Chinese, where Chinese had came, it's China's lands. Hell

China's main evidence are some ancient books. From HAN to QING, I can tell you the title and author, time, and their Chinese content, I tried to translate them, but my English is not good enough, please forgive this.

You are welcomed to post all things you got here, but please do not post fishing movement or some discoveries

---------- Post added at 08:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:47 PM ----------

First, HAN, the first record that has found some islands on the South China Sea.

On the first route to open up the South China Sea

If you do not have enough sailing activities, it is not possible to find the South China Sea islands, first, there is an accurate record of the route on the South China Sea.

The earliest record is &#12298;&#27721;&#20070;·&#22320;&#29702;&#24535;&#19979;&#12299;, the author is &#29677;&#22266; Ban Gu (AD 32 - AD 92 ).

Can read it here ,&#12298;&#27721;&#20070;&#12299;
¹úѧÍøÕ¾ ¡ª Ô*µä±¦¿â

&#12298;&#27721;&#20070;·&#22320;&#29702;&#24535;&#19979;&#12299; <Han Geography>,here

¹úѧÔ*µä¡¤Ê·²¿¡¤¶þÊ®ËÄʷϵÁС¤ººÊ顤¾íÈýÊ®¾Å


Main, the Han emperor sent envoys to the maritime trade from southern China through South China Sea to reach the Indian Ocean, and finally returned.

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&#12298;&#21335;&#35028;&#24322;&#29289;&#24535;&#12299;(a book in the 2nd century), the author is Yang Fu, according to the record, AD 77, to participate in the court's "virtuous response" was selected and awarded to Yi Lang(an important official), become involved in government ministers.

There is no online version, but here to download.
ÒìÎïÖ¾¡¤±±»§Â¼.pdf_Ãâ·Ñ¸ßËÙÏÂÔØ_ÐÂÀË°®Îʹ²Ïí×ÊÁÏ

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"&#28072;&#28023;&#23822;&#22836;&#65292;&#27700;&#27973;&#32780;&#22810;&#30913;&#30707;"

A place in the South China Sea, there are many shallow reefs.


Therefore infer that the first time the South China Sea should be in the HAN dynasty.

OK, China found those islands in the year abcxyz. So what's next?

---------- Post added at 08:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:48 PM ----------

First, HAN, the first record that has found some islands on the South China Sea.

On the first route to open up the South China Sea

If you do not have enough sailing activities, it is not possible to find the South China Sea islands, first, there is an accurate record of the route on the South China Sea.

The earliest record is &#12298;&#27721;&#20070;·&#22320;&#29702;&#24535;&#19979;&#12299;, the author is &#29677;&#22266; Ban Gu (AD 32 - AD 92 ).

Can read it here ,&#12298;&#27721;&#20070;&#12299;
¹úѧÍøÕ¾ ¡ª Ô*µä±¦¿â

&#12298;&#27721;&#20070;·&#22320;&#29702;&#24535;&#19979;&#12299; <Han Geography>,here

¹úѧÔ*µä¡¤Ê·²¿¡¤¶þÊ®ËÄʷϵÁС¤ººÊ顤¾íÈýÊ®¾Å


Main, the Han emperor sent envoys to the maritime trade from southern China through South China Sea to reach the Indian Ocean, and finally returned.

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&#12298;&#21335;&#35028;&#24322;&#29289;&#24535;&#12299;(a book in the 2nd century), the author is Yang Fu, according to the record, AD 77, to participate in the court's "virtuous response" was selected and awarded to Yi Lang(an important official), become involved in government ministers.

There is no online version, but here to download.
ÒìÎïÖ¾¡¤±±»§Â¼.pdf_Ãâ·Ñ¸ßËÙÏÂÔØ_ÐÂÀË°®Îʹ²Ïí×ÊÁÏ

Related content

"&#28072;&#28023;&#23822;&#22836;&#65292;&#27700;&#27973;&#32780;&#22810;&#30913;&#30707;"

A place in the South China Sea, there are many shallow reefs.


Therefore infer that the first time the South China Sea should be in the HAN dynasty.

OK, China found those islands in the year abcxyz. So what's next?

 

[huzihaidao12]

OK, China found those islands in the year abcxyz. So what's next?

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OK, China found those islands in the year abcxyz. So what's next?

More formal discovery and management, if I have time I will continue.

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I suggest you not get me wrong, no matter what we have discussed, it can not change reality, I am willing to discuss with you, just interested, so let's keep the respect and reason, thank you.

 

[&#272;&#7843;o B&#7841;ch Long V&#7929;]

More formal discovery and management, if I have time I will continue.

I suggest you not get me wrong, no matter what we have discussed, it can not change reality, I am willing to discuss with you, just interested, so let's keep the respect and reason, thank you.

I asked for sovereignty claiming and sovereignty setting, not discovery or fishing movement.
I always respect you and your evidences, but please focus on what we need here.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I asked for sovereignty claiming and sovereignty setting, not discovery or fishing movement.
I always respect you and your evidences, but please focus on what we need here.

No problem, but I would like to ask, if only a fishing, why a government would record it in official documents?

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May take some time, I can not spend all the time on this, please understand, thank you.

 

[&#272;&#7843;o B&#7841;ch Long V&#7929;]

No problem, but I would like to ask, if only a fishing, why a government would record it in official documents?

I haven't got your idea. You mean that it's unusual when the gov record fishing movement in their official documents? Yes, it's unusual but it's the truth Look at your evidences, a lot of fishing movements, such as Mr A went fishing their and built a house their, we found fishing tools of Mr B ... blah blah blah ...

May take some time, I can not spend all the time on this, please understand, thank you.

You can take whatever time you need.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I haven't got your idea. You mean that it's unusual when the gov record fishing movement in their official documents? Yes, it's unusual but it's the truth Look at your evidences, a lot of fishing movements, such as Mr A went fishing their and built a house their, we found fishing tools of Mr B ... blah blah blah ...


You can take whatever time you need.

What is that? I give absolutely no evidence of any fishing, you are talking nonsense, or you give your evidence, where they are?

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I continue my question, if only a fishing, why a government would record it in official documents?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Not to mention &#12298;&#27721;&#20070;&#12299;, which is China's most important one of "twenty-four history books" , even china save a large number of ancient Chinese books, it is still most formal and important official documents. You think a sport fishing will be listed? Need give me a good reason.

 

[&#272;&#7843;o B&#7841;ch Long V&#7929;]

What is that? I give absolutely no evidence of any fishing, you are talking nonsense, or you give your evidence, where they are?

Hell, so who post that thing:

1250 Chinese fishermen became the right by the Pan-Han Dynasty to settle on some of the northern islets and reefs.

And this

265-420AD Fei Yuan of the Jin Dynasty(265-420 A.D.) wrote about the fishing and collecting of coral samples by the fishermen of China on the South China Sea in his article Chronicles of Guangzhou.

I continue my question, if only a fishing, why a government would record it in official documents?

As I have said, I haven't got your idea. You mean it's unusual or what?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Hell, so who post that thing:



And this





As I have said, I haven't got your idea. You mean it's unusual or what?

Do you think the fishermen do not need a home? Really judge that they were just fishing or have a home in the islands?

So difficult to understand? Only fishing activity is not included in such an important official document. Just when you people living in those islands, the territory to be your land, to appear in your geographic information.

No update today, today is the Chinese holiday, it is the Mid-Autumn Festival, you happy holidays!!!

 

[&#272;&#7843;o B&#7841;ch Long V&#7929;]

Do you think the fishermen do not need a home? Really judge that they were just fishing or have a home in the islands?

They built a house there for their fishing activities.
Built houses is not a good excuse to prove the real sovereignty. Can I say that Taiwan belongs to Vietnam just because general Lý Long T&#432;&#7901;ng built a house for his son their? No.
Not to mention that this "evidence" is real fishing movement:

265-420AD Fei Yuan of the Jin Dynasty(265-420 A.D.) wrote about the fishing and collecting of coral samples by the fishermen of China on the South China Sea in his article Chronicles of Guangzhou.

So difficult to understand? Only fishing activity is not included in such an important official document. Just when you people living in those islands, the territory to be your land, to appear in your geographic information.

So what is this? Sea patrol?

265-420AD Fei Yuan of the Jin Dynasty(265-420 A.D.) wrote about the fishing and collecting of coral samples by the fishermen of China on the South China Sea in his article Chronicles of Guangzhou.

Hell, Lý Long T&#432;&#7901;ng's son and 200 Vietnamese had lived in Taiwan in 13th Century so Taiwan belongs to Vietnam? No! Some Chinese had lived in Mongolia so Mongolia belongs to China? No!
Whatever you live their or not, the gov have to claim/set sovereignty, got it?
Appear in "geographic information"? Just ridiculous too, unless it's in the map which is released by the gov.