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Well, you can blame the Indian for opening such an irrelevant topic and getting the responses it deserves.

I did not read the thread but just reacted to @Kaptaan mentioning me out of nowhere. I began from there. I am/was already active in another thread. Also due to being mentioned.

As for what is going on here, well I know this game and I don't take it seriously.

Well, you can blame the Indian for opening such an irrelevant topic and getting the responses it deserves.



Don't turn this into a Pakistan vs Arab debate. When I say elite, it means Arab elites and Pakistani elites in general. They are absolute scum. Don't be such a stooge of the elite. You know darn well the sentiments of the common man. Be it Arab or Pakistani.

Just because certain Arab natios provided monetary help to Pakistan doesn't mean that I'm going to turn a blind eye to the truth. I'm not an Indian that likes to appease and pick sides when it matters most.

Scum is a very harsh word IMO. I don't think that those Pakistani earthquake or flood victims would consider the help that they received directly from those Arab "elite scums", as coming from scummy people. I think that they are quite grateful in fact.

As for the leaderships in general in both parts of the world and the Muslim world in general, I do not disagree. However I do not agree with all of them being bad let alone scum. For instance I am quite happy about MbS so far. This requires a deeper knowledge about internal affairs of KSA and why I am that and not relevant to this thread.
 
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How can the "Arab elite be scum" when the same Arab elite has been closer aligned to Pakistan and helped Pakistan financially more than any other Muslim elite? Is that not a bit harsh? So 70 years of cooperation can merely be thrown to the dustbin because UAE, Oman, Palestine and Jordan's leaders are spending a few hours with Modi not to see him again in a few years?

OK.


You have to understand they are very emotional and aren't speaking from a place of reason. Idk why you are spending so much time and effort trying to show reason and logic to those that won't listen.
 
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You have to understand they are very emotional and aren't speaking from a place of reason. Idk why you are spending so much time and effort trying to show reason and logic to those that won't listen.

Who told you to poke your Indian nose in our conversation? Let him speak his mind. He is not a baby that needs to be told what to say by an Indian.
 
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You have to understand they are very emotional and aren't speaking from a place of reason. Idk why you are spending so much time and effort trying to show reason and logic to those that won't listen.

I don't know myself. Might have something to do with having an almost 1 week long flu and being "sucked" into discussions while confined to the bed/workplace/men's only room at home.

BTW I consider your hostility, outside of the Kashmir issue, to be quite sad similar to our disagreements in the region.
 
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Maybe the crown prince is a pagan or kaffir?
You [and me] are lucky we can say what we want. If you said that in GCC they would rip us apart and feed us to Hindu temple monkeys as "reconstituted veggie burgers".

Yikes ........
 
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You [and me] are lucky we can say what we want. If you said that in GCC they would rip us apart and feed us to Hindu temple monkeys as "reconstituted veggie burgers".

Yikes ........

You would be surprised how often Pakistanis and Indians are in conflict in the GCC due to political discussions. Locals seem to ignore this elegantly by doing this;



But you seem to work it out overall so why not follow my advice and try to figure that Kashmir issue out and give us similar instructions the other way around? A friendly advice in other words?

I think the reaction is similar among non-Pakistanis and non-Indians when they see you two argue here. At least this is what I have noticed.
 
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I did not read the thread but just reacted to @Kaptaan mentioning me out of nowhere. I began from there. I am/was already active in another thread. Also due to being mentioned.

As for what is going on here, well I know this game and I don't take it seriously.



Scum is a very harsh word IMO. I don't think that those Pakistani earthquake or flood victims would consider the help that they received directly from those Arab "elite scums", as coming from scummy people. I think that they are quite grateful in fact.

As for the leaderships in general in both parts of the world and the Muslim world in general, I do not disagree. However I do not agree with all of them being bad let alone scum. For instance I am quite happy about MbS so far. This requires a deeper knowledge about internal affairs of KSA and why I am that and not relevant to this thread.

The word scum for the elite in our part of the world is not harsh at all. In fact, it doesn't do justice at all. Our leaders are worse than pigs. These people are the reason why most of the Islamic world is suffering today. Don't tell me that this is just a coincidence. They are playing politics over dead bodies. Why are the masses suffering in Syria, Iraq, Palestine and elsewhere?
 
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The word scum for the elite in our part of the world is not harsh at all. In fact, it doesn't do justice at all. Our leaders are worse than pigs. These people are the reason why most of the Islamic world is suffering today. Don't tell me that this is just a coincidence.

Some are yes, others are not. As for the state of the Muslim world, I am afraid that it is too easy to just blame the leaders. Weak nations blame the leaders only but do not take a closer look at themselves or their neighbors. Here we could learn a lot from others.

But sure, most are of a low quality. Reflecting the people rather accurately.
 
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I don't know myself. Might have something to do with having an almost 1 week long flu and being "sucked" into discussions while confined to the bed/workplace/men's only room at home.
Overlooking our little bouts of "fencing" hope you get better. Got lot of respect for you and I know you represent the future of KSA. Take some wholesome soup, paracetemol tablet, rigourous sex [if your not married a Filipino maid should do but please place the rubber - no mongrels please] and then get good sleep should have you in fine fettle to teach these low class Bakistani's what life is about from up, high up the totem pole.

And I know I can joke with you. You ain't no prude and clearly you have had good education and seen the world. Open vistas !

Wishing you a speedy recovery.
 
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UAE :big_boss:

This is moronic country that was asking us to go kill Yameni people

"Jai Sia Ram" -> is same as Allah O Akbar in context for reference
 
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Some are yes, others are not. As for the state of the Muslim world, I am afraid that it is too easy to just blame the leaders. Weak nations blame the leaders only but do not take a closer look at themselves or their neighbors. Here we could learn a lot from others.

But sure, most are of a low quality. Reflecting the people rather accurately.

It is rather disingenuous on your part to blame the people rather than dictators and pathetic leaders of these nations. There is no debate about what kind of terrible and corrupt leadership most Islamic nations have.

UAE :big_boss:

This is moronic country that was asking us to go kill Yameni people

"Jai Sia Ram" -> is same as Allah O Akbar in context for reference

Make no mistake. The UAE is still harbouring this specific hate till this day. Basically another Gaddafi moment for Pakistan.

I wonder if the UAE has the balls to ask India to join them in their war against Yemen...
 
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Overlooking our little bouts of "fencing" hope you get better. Got lot of respect for you and I know you represent the future of KSA. Tale some wholesome soup, paracetemol tablet, rigourous sex [if your not married a Filipino maid should do but please place the rubber - no mongrels please] and then get good sleep should have you in fine fettle to teach these low class Bakistani's what life is about from up, high up the totem pole.

And I know I can joke with you. You ain't no prude and clearly you have had good education and seen the world. Open vistas !

Wishing you a speedy recovery.

The respect goes both ways my friend. You are my senior too. That's maybe why I am trying to fence harder or more accurately when you are at the "receiving" end rather than other users here. That's a sign of acknowledgement from my youthful part (for now at least but the time passes incredibly quickly as we all know and eventually it will go downwards from that moment on).

LOL. Thanks for the advice. Doing with some hot tea, lots of water, fruits, vegetables and soups.

While I do consider the Filipino community to be an overall positive and lighthearted community, I have never been attracted to people East, South or North (in a straight line) of Eastern Punjab. However there are for sure exceptions here.

No, in my current state, I prefer being passive in this regard.

We can't all be perfect. I am not even trying. I know that I am sucked into tons of useless discussions and sometimes (in the process) making a fool of myself (online forums tend to do this when it gets heated - less so in the "real world out there" where people rarely spend time/met for the sake of such pursuits.

BTW, if you have not noticed this, I have been highlighting a lot of historical ties and similarities between Arabia and Iraq (the civilizations native to that part of the Arab world - basically the so-called "Arab states of the Gulf" as per the almighty Wiki) and Pakistan on the other hand in great detail as well as writing "novels" (as many call it here - there might be something about this but when you have a habit you don't notice it) of what to do to further strengthen this relationship on a people to people level and most importantly on highly necessary fields such as economy, environment, renewables, infrastructure, business, education, cultural endeavors and yes even religious (I hope that MbS will play a more constructive role than his predecessors if what I hear from some Pakistanis is really truth in terms of supposed Saudi Arabian-funded Madrassas - which again leads me to another question - the curriculum is agreed with Pakistan beforehand, the scholars are locals and appointed by the state too, never mind I think that many are looking for the word "Wahhabi" (which I have some kind of love-hate relationship as I have explained a few times before.) as well as tourist ties.

In general, when it comes to us to specifically, being familiar with the West, we can be overly critical and for instance you will look at the EU and think, why has KSA and Pakistan not created something similar, and while you are spot on, imagine what we Arabs have to say about what the Arab League has "achieved" in the past 40 years or so and what the GCC has even failed to do so far, creating that very same EU-like organization, although what we see currently is better than almost (if not anywhere else in the Muslim world) but again, compared to elsewhere, it doesn't to really say much. Not even talking about the useless (in my opinion) KSA-Qatar feud that leads to nothing. So expecting miracles on everything else, at least now (maybe in 10-20 years it will be better - not maybe i personally expect and demand it to be) on there fronts, is being too harsh or optimistic. My two quick cents.
 
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I believe 'سورہ الکافرون' is the best guidance for us in such circumstances - rest all is an individual's act and does not stand to be an example to follow.
 
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UAE :big_boss:

This is moronic country that was asking us to go kill Yameni people

"Jai Sia Ram" -> is same as Allah O Akbar in context for reference

You do know that the sole UAE official who made what might be considered as a hostile comment towards Pakistan (don't remember the exact wording, you can help me out here) is a certain Anwar Gargash who is of Iranian (albeit distant) origin? His surname is of Iranian origin and anti-UAE pro-Qatar Arabs call him "The Iranian" as some kind of insult/trolling method in order to disqualify his opinions. I suggest taking a look at his Twitter.

BTW those are harsh comments too. UAE is still an partner of Pakistan and not an insignificant one when everything (facts such as economy) are taken into account. As for your Yemen comment I cannot understand what the difference between the Yemeni government asking for help from the outside and neighboring Arabs stepping in (surprise, surprise) and Al-Assad asking for help from his Russian ally. You support the latter but not the former. Why is that?

Also, with all due respect, comparing Syria with Yemen is moronic for 1000 reasons (to begin with 300.000 + civilians people have died in Syria, while the number in Yemen is 10.000) and I could in theory try to mention a few here but I really don't bother and my head is spinning from all the typing and discussions.

I believe 'سورہ الکافرون' is the best guidance for us in such circumstances - rest all is an individual's act and does not stand to be an example to follow.

Just a curious question. I don't live in UAE. I don't visit that regularly. Maybe once each year or two (at the most). Do you as a Pakistani living in UAE feel that you are living in a hostile entity?
 
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Just a curious question. I don't live in UAE. I don't visit that regularly. Maybe once each year or two (at the most). Do you as a Pakistani living in UAE feel that you are living in a hostile entity?
No sir, I never feel like that.
 
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