What's gone wrong with Democracy? Good Governance can be the solution

[Pakistani E]

It's not because stupidity. It's because unprofessional voters, voters are not supposed to be professional on politics, they are busy on feeding their family. While politicians are trained to disguise, lie, like a performer.

The voters may be experts on science, technology, medical, etc. But most of them lack of the experience on real politics or lack of judgement on how to run a country. Voters spent most of their time on living skills not politics. While politicians spent most of their time on politics, and how to win vote, including lies, like a performer.

Why don't you vote for doctors? If voters decide who will be doctors, get prepared to die.
Why don't you vote for teachers? If voters decide who will be teachers, get prepared to be illiterate.
Why don't you vote for airplane pilots? If voters decide who will be pilots, get prepared to walk 1000 miles.

So you think running a country/province is easier than being a doctor/teacher/pilot?

Running a country/province is a profession. It required as much efforts as being a doctor/teacher/pilot if not more.

You need to spend at least 20-30 years in school and in practices to be a good doctor/teacher/pilot. You need to be checked by your classmate, exam, workmate, procedure to be a good doctor/teacher/pilot.

So back to topic, why do you think running a country do not require a licence? Why inexperienced George W. Bush, Obama, Trump can participate running an election? All those 3 candidates have little experience on running a country/province before elected as president.

That's insane.

I understand your point. The fact that you have been respectful and presented your views in an astute manner is worthy of praise. Thank you, your behavior is otherwise increasingly rare on PDF.

In an ideal situation, the people with a professional qualification will be most suited for the role that one needs filling. However, the major point of democracy is that it is, in theory, meant to represent the whole society as a whole. It is meant to have diverse representation, representing a diverse set of views. Please note, I am referring to parliamentary democracy here.

Running a country requires making decisions that affect the political, social and physical life of the people. My contention is the fact that there is no way for a group of individuals to decide for themselves what is best for the country. A group of bureaucrats, or officials from a single party do not have any divine authority to choose a country's leader. You know as much as I, that in such situations loyalty to an individual in position of power trumps any ability of the individual.

This right should only belong to the electorate, the candidates have to present themselves to the people, and inevitably it is the people who decide who is best suited to run a country.

I would only agree with your point if we were talking about specific roles in government/organisation etc. Otherwise, please tell me what professional qualification should a President/Prime Minister have?

 

[Beast]

A person born in jail will never understand what the "big deal" is about having freedom.

You won't understand since you HAVE to use a VPN.
It's like living in a poor village, you get used to the misquotes and you think "this is no big deal."

And if those Chinese people are so patriotic then why are they moving and sending billions of dollars in the west?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/wester...-chinese-home-buying-nothing-works-1528294587

The best thing about facts is that they cut through propaganda really easily.

What kind of freedom you have when your voices and opinion are not heard? The western or even Pakistan media are so biased like dawn that you only hear what they want u to hear but not what u want them to hear.

The US democracy are artificial. End of the day, whatever parties you choose are 2 parties working for the same value of US elitism. So called free media with lies the mainstream keep broadcasting.

 

[nang2]

Democracy or authoritarianism. None of their goals is to provide good governance. Speaking of good governance is just a propaganda to sell whatever system he promotes. The only goal they tries to achieve is stability, from which everything else is possible.

 

[Rusty]

What kind of freedom you have when your voices and opinion are not heard? The western or even Pakistan media are so biased like dawn that you only hear what they want u to hear but not what u want them to hear.

The US democracy are artificial. End of the day, whatever parties you choose are 2 parties working for the same value of US elitism. So called free media with lies the mainstream keep broadcasting.

its interesting that you are making those points.
The implication in your argument is that a Chinese style dictatorship is a better form of government.

My counter argument is this:

Western government and media didn't lie and try to cover up covid 19.

The cover up and lie was so bad that Chinese dictatorship has affected just about every human on earth and has resulted in countless thousands of people to die around the world.

Chinese style dictatorship has allowed overt racism that is state backed.

Chinese style dictatorship does not give its people any rights so they can do things like this to you

and this

I will not deny that democracy is flawed. It's a human construct so it has to be.
But to sit here and say that Chinese style dictatorship is better then a democracy?
I mean, millions of Chinese themselves think democracy is better, which is why they move to the west in large numbers.

In my city alone, you will meet countless Chinese who have factories in China but the family (and money) lives in Canada. When asked why, they will often tell you about the quality of life in Canadian democracy and the fact that the government can't just one day decide to take your money or put you in jail for no reason. Which happens a lot in China, especially if you get rich enough to be a political threat to the Chinese dictatorship.

Don't see anyone taking Chinese citizenship, that's for sure.

And this is not for you, as you are a paid troll and your job is to post your propaganda online.
this is for the casual reader who might think your propaganda have any merit to it.

People who speak the truth don't need to spam PDF with nearly 20,000 posts on how great their dictatorship is.

But then you get to inject klorox when you start coughing. Lol

or the government forces in to tiny boxes while you scream as you have no rights.

Could you post the link to where the US government is forcing Clorox injections on their citizens.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Democracy is the worst form of government, but at least you won't have to use a VPN to post your own propaganda

I ♥ U.

 

[Han Patriot]

or the government forces in to tiny boxes while you scream as you have no rights.

Could you post the link to where the US government is forcing Clorox injections on their citizens.

It's either that or the small coffin sized biohazard box which is in shortage. No choice but to improvise man. And you wonder why there are a million cases in US? Lolol. You don't need to force Americans to inject klorox, they are dumb enough to do it themselves.

 

[Rusty]

It's either that or the small coffin sized biohazard box which is in shortage. No choice but to improvise man. And you wonder why there are a million cases in US? Lolol. You don't need to force Americans to inject klorox, they are dumb enough to do it themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

"A false dilemma (or sometimes called false dichotomy) is a type of informal fallacy, more specifically one of the correlative-based fallacies, in which a statement falsely claims an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional logically valid option.[1]"

There are more options then taking peoples right away and sticking them in a box or death.

China had like what? 3000 or some other ridiculously low and obviously false reported number.
So... if Infections in china are so low then why force people into boxes?
If the situation is so serious that you need to force people into boxes then those reported numbers are obvious lies.
I mean the 3rd option is that that infections are low, but you have no rights in China and the government can throw you in boxes anytime.

And I would like mods to take note that are you literally laughing at people suffering from the virus.
... the virus that they have because CCP lied.
of course if it was the other way around, you would be here crying your eyes out about racism.

 

[Han Patriot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

"A false dilemma (or sometimes called false dichotomy) is a type of informal fallacy, more specifically one of the correlative-based fallacies, in which a statement falsely claims an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional logically valid option.[1]"

There are more options then taking peoples right away and sticking them in a box or death.

China had like what? 3000 or some other ridiculously low and obviously false reported number.
So... if Infections in china are so low then why force people into boxes?
If the situation is so serious that you need to force people into boxes then those reported numbers are obvious lies.
I mean the 3rd option is that that infections are low, but you have no rights in China and the government can throw you in boxes anytime.

And I would like mods to take note that are you literally laughing at people suffering from the virus.
... the virus that they have because CCP lied.
of course if it was the other way around, you would be here crying your eyes out about racism.

Well I can't force you to believe the numbers, but just like how Americans had to use garbage bags as PPE and panties as face mask, we didn't have biohazard coffin boxes, how else are u suppose to quarantine them in a vehicle? Now our industries are well equipped and produce all those stuff but in the early stages, everybody was panicking and there was a shortage. Once the Chinese industrial might was cranked up, nothing can stop us, not even a virus. When I tell people we can crank out 10 carriers in 10 years, will you laugh?

Death? Plz mate, don't make me start. Thanks to American incompetence, 80k are dead. Your nurses and doctors are treated like pariah, in China we give them the best PPE. CNN reporters had better gear than your nurses. Lol

CCP lied? Hey, Trump was the one laughing it off as a flu. We already informed the WORLD how serious this was. You guys just ate popcorn and laughed.

 

[vi-va]

I understand your point. The fact that you have been respectful and presented your views in an astute manner is worthy of praise. Thank you, your behavior is otherwise increasingly rare on PDF.

In an ideal situation, the people with a professional qualification will be most suited for the role that one needs filling. However, the major point of democracy is that it is, in theory, meant to represent the whole society as a whole. It is meant to have diverse representation, representing a diverse set of views. Please note, I am referring to parliamentary democracy here.

Running a country requires making decisions that affect the political, social and physical life of the people. My contention is the fact that there is no way for a group of individuals to decide for themselves what is best for the country. A group of bureaucrats, or officials from a single party do not have any divine authority to choose a country's leader. You know as much as I, that in such situations loyalty to an individual in position of power trumps any ability of the individual.

This right should only belong to the electorate, the candidates have to present themselves to the people, and inevitably it is the people who decide who is best suited to run a country.

I would only agree with your point if we were talking about specific roles in government/organisation etc. Otherwise, please tell me what professional qualification should a President/Prime Minister have?

Representative democracy, the concept itself is deeply flawed. It sounds right, but when a society is diverse, each representative fight for their own group of interest, and those interests conflict with each other.

Both Pakistan and India are diverse, it's very hard for both countries to push herself forward. With representative democracy, the decision making process is very costly and compromised. With so many man power, the ideal economy development is labor intensive industry, everyone knew it, but how about execution? Most of time were wasted on internal fighting, fighting for resource, fighting for one election after another.

I am not a big fan of ideology or theory, I am realist, I care more about the outcome of practice. I see many countries lack of long vision, focus on short term result for election, and stagnant.

There are Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, China, Singapore developed, none of them were western democracy society when those countries/areas pushed for industrialization.

British was not democracy neither when British was industrialized in 19th century.

 

[vi-va]

The world number 1 and number 2 infections comes from India and US.

That can tell us how India and US political system works. While both India and US super rich get richer after the pandemic.

Of the Rich, For the Rich, By the Rich.

 

[Globenim]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

"A false dilemma (or sometimes called false dichotomy) is a type of informal fallacy, more specifically one of the correlative-based fallacies, in which a statement falsely claims an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional logically valid option.[1]"

There are more options then taking peoples right away and sticking them in a box or death.

Straw man - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man"."

Hey look everyone can throw around names of fallacies and fake fallacies without actually addressing the point or formulating even an own argument. Its not any stretch harder than just making loaded accusations and construeing controversies out of thin air, to cloak some thinely vailed emotional rant, while acting obtuse about the most simplest common sense things.

 

[Globenim]

Amrica in first place is not a proper example of a democracy. They just crown themself with such labels the same ways they call piracy self defense, blackmail justice, suppression liberation, terror freedom, hypocrisy rules and so on

 

[dbc]

It's either that or the small coffin sized biohazard box which is in shortage. No choice but to improvise man.

That isn't a biohazard box its designed to infuse concentrated 'Xi thoughts' into the dissident held within.
It is proven very effective given enough time all individualism and ideas in contravention to state policy is driven out. If only Chinese vaccines were as effective..

 

[PeaceGen]

while voices like this guy's certainly have a valid place in today's world, i find his refusal to also look for defects in his own form of government a real flaw.

this is something he and other Chinese would be wise to adopt from the west.

we dare to publicly acknowledge the majority of our (past) mistakes, and actually (but sometimes slowly) work to correct them.

 

[PeaceGen]

who said there are only two system, democracy and dictatorship? Can you think outside the box --- the western narrative?

The western countries failed to think, because the media stuff their mind without thinking in depth, sad but true.

Most intellectuals from western countries can only think of 2 stereotype:

1. Democracy
2. Dictatorship

Haven't anyone tell them there are more than 20+ types of governance?

List of forms of government

Back 2500 years ago, they even knew there are at least 6 types of governance.
In book Politics (Aristotle), there are 6 types of governance.

君主制、共和制、贵族制、寡头制、民主制、僭主政体（专政）
Monarchy, Republic, Aristocracy, Oligarchy, Democracy, Tyrant

Democracy is a flawed system, everyone knew it. Otherwise, Trump won't be elected.

More importantly, westerns can only think form of government, they didn't know there are something on top of form of government.

Form of government is just a tool to rule. Different countries and people can have same form of government, but the outcome can be completely different. Take Philippines and Japan as example, Both Philippines and Japan constitution and political system are designed by Americans, the difference is so large, their government efficiency and outcome has nothing in common.

On top of Form of government is Government Principle, it's more abstract. The difference between China and many other countries is not the Form of government but Government Principle.

Same tool in different hands. It's the people and party determine the destiny of the nation.

calling democracies a perverted system of government is a serious and completely falsely-founded insult to many, you might want to consider stopping that.

yes, Trump was a bad choice, but the fact is the majority of the US doesn't or no longer supports him, his chances of ever gaining the presidency again are just about zero,

and most of all : at the time Trump was in power, there were many many more democratically run countries on Earth, where the system of political campaigning and electoral voting worked just fine to produce countries that are among the most peaceful, orderly, and internationally cooperative on Earth.

Amrica in first place is not a proper example of a democracy. They just crown themself with such labels the same ways they call piracy self defense, blackmail justice, suppression liberation, terror freedom, hypocrisy rules and so on

you really need to study the dictionary definitions for all the words you just used.
your combinations are total nonsense.