What would escalate war with Iran?

[atatwolf]

So in your opinion israel & company should do everything to stop Iran from going nuclear, even if it means total destruction? Many thanks for your concern. But you see, the israel & company will have to accept nuclear Iran and neither Turkey, Egypt or Saudi will thereafter be able to build one:

No, definately a no go. Israel and US will never allow Iran having Nukes. If Iran gets close to making a nuke, Israel might even consider nuclear strike on Iran and then occupying it. Of course nobody will allow Iran to get close to making one because of Iranian foreign policy. There are already sanctions and preparations for a military move on Iran if its continues. It is in Iran's hand whether they want to push this issue to a war or not. U.S will do its airstrikes. The whole neighborhood, including, Arabs, Pakistan, Israel, Turkey, Azerbijan, Afghanistan and U.S will be ready to do what is necessary because if they don't, bigger problems can arise.

 

[Surenas]

No, definately a no go. Israel and US will never allow Iran having Nukes. If Iran gets close to making a nuke, Israel might even consider nuclear strike on Iran and then occupying it. Of course nobody will allow Iran to get close to making one because of Iranian foreign policy. There are already sanctions and preparations for a military move on Iran if its continues. It is in Iran's hand whether they want to push this issue to a war or not. U.S will do its airstrikes. The whole neighborhood, including, Arabs, Pakistan, Israel, Turkey, Azerbijan, Afghanistan and U.S will be ready to do what is necessary because if they don't, bigger problems can arise.

What if Iran secretly produced a nuke? What are you going to do?

 

[twilight]

What if Iran secretly produced a nuke? What are you going to do?

shouting their mouth and act as nothing happened ....

......

 

[Rostam]

No, definately a no go. Israel and US will never allow Iran having Nukes. If Iran gets close to making a nuke, Israel might even consider nuclear strike on Iran and then occupying it. Of course nobody will allow Iran to get close to making one because of Iranian foreign policy. There are already sanctions and preparations for a military move on Iran if its continues. It is in Iran's hand whether they want to push this issue to a war or not. U.S will do its airstrikes. The whole neighborhood, including, Arabs, Pakistan, Israel, Turkey, Azerbijan, Afghanistan and U.S will be ready to do what is necessary because if they don't, bigger problems can arise.

The complexity and sophistication of your personal assessment about the political middle eastern landscape has thrilled me beyond your imagination and therefore I just know did exactly the same thing I did when I gave the Indian dude his last reply in this thread...

 

[rayan123]

The complexity and sophistication of your personal assessment about the political middle eastern landscape has thrilled me beyond your imagination and therefore I just know did exactly the same thing I did when I gave the Indian dude his last reply in this thread...

israeli supporters are desesperate.... now they r coming with stupide arument as : israel will nuke iran, israel 7 millions people, will occupy it ( occupy a 80 millions people country lol )

Away from 1500 km. when you read this kind of argument in their right mind, israel is USSR lol.

that proves that they understood that Iran will have nuclear weapons. period, and are they despairing

 

[rayan123]

First...There is no such animal 'passive radar'. I do not care how many popular media sources you or any other Iranian bring on that uses the phrase 'passive radar'. Radar detection is a two-parts process: Transmit and Receive.

Transmit is 'active'. Receive is 'passive'. Without either one, you have no radar detection. I have many times educated people here on the technical aspects of radar detection, complete with non-disputable sources as to this 'passive radar' nonsense. Smarter people than you have stopped using that phrase. What you are talking about is properly call a 'bi-static' radar configuration and there is nothing new about that.

Receivers A and B are 'passive' detectors and this is the source of the misunderstanding about 'passive radar'. I suggest you use the keyword search feature and learn something.

Second...Assuming the generosity that Iran did detect the RQ drone via that 'passive radar' system, that does not mean the system will be effective against combat aircrafts. The UAV does not have countermeasures. Combat aircrafts do. In that bi-static radar system, the Transmitter must be continuously active in order for the entire system to work. Take out the Transmitter and the entire system collapses. That is the main weakness of the bi-static radar system.

Third...Assuming the generosity that Iran does possess the American UAV and not just some model hacked up, everything you said about how Iran came to its possession is: pure assumption.

we also don't care what you think.....

as said Robert Gates :

" an attack would make nuclear iran inevitable "

it's unlikely that obama will ever order a strike, but even if..... anyway iran will have the bomb.

there is simpley no one among intelligency, militari, experts community, and inside the pentagon that believe that iran ill not succeed bombing or not !


iran will have the bomb....
...
and scenario such as : we will nuke iran, ( to prevent it ) we will occupy iran ... wil remain what they are

DREAMS

 

[rayan123]

The first bomb will penetrate deeper than 2 meters. The next one or two will collapse the roof. Concrete is not unitary in material makeup. Technically speaking, concrete is a composite. A 'gross' composite.

- Atomic
- Molecular
- Gross

Water is an 'atomic' composite. Steel is a 'molecular' composite. Concrete and plywood are 'gross' composite, meaning it is made up of completely formed parts, such as rocks and sand. Concrete may be strong but the downside is that it is brittle. Enough concussive shocks and it will fail before steel and the failure will occur where those different materials are bonded.

Bombs vs Bunkers in a Potential Iran Attack - Popular Mechanics

We do not need to destroy that nuclear weapons facility. The sensitive centrifuges are vulnerable to seismic shocks and if the sensors detect a threshold, you can be certain that for safety reasons, the engineers will shut down their operations. Enough of these penetration bombs and the concrete will fail.

This argument has already been used, this technique has already been used in Iraq and Serbia. it did not work in serbia in iraq or afghanistan and again it will not work in Iran.

Gen. James Cartwright "iranian facilities are deep enough They arent 'weapons That can go down there and penetrate it"

is that simple

Iran Have the Bomb will

shouting their mouth and act as nothing happened ....

......

lol yes they will just delet they accounts on pak defens and jpost loooooooooooool


this day will coming soon maybe in 2013 inshahallh

 

[rayan123]

Yes, I am saying so. And no, not one of you Iranians EVER adequately explained how Iran detected the RQ. Am willing to bet that I understand more about radar detection and 'stealth' than you do.

you r saying bla bla bla only


iran successfully intercepted this drone and TWO others .... smallers drons that the only think

and say every thing you want do you understand ? everything YOU WANT

the only think important is asked in march 2012 by the senat, Gen James Mattis commander in chief of powerful CENTCOM : can US military stop iran nukes?

Gen James Mattis answerd : NO

" the best we can do is to delay them, only iranians can stop it "

" we have a few option"

and all militaries high ranking agree with hem, all experts, and all intelligency communuity ......


like :

mike mullen
james cartwright
adm fallon
richard meyer
collin powell
etc ..........

michale hayden
michel flournoy µdenis blair
james l jones
lawrence wilkerson etc etc etc

once retired all these peoples have publicly disqualified the military option against Iran as ineffective.

conclusion u like it or not, F22 or not , MOP or ot

iran will have the bomb, and if u don't like please act and suicide yourself

as said Robetrt Gates :

" an attack would make a nuclear iran inevitable "

Rand corporation: a very influent think thank: lay out with the same conclusion

" an attack would make it easier, and more not less likely that iran will gates the bomb "

allo ? are you there , or already suicide your self ?

 

[rayan123]

Well, I think we can all agree that Iran won't have weapons.

Militarily, Iran is no match, people who claim otherwise are crazy.

The question about Iran causing regional conflict, I would say no, UNLESS Iran is crazy enough to attack Israel, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Suadi's, etc. But this would unleash a wrath upon Iran that would totally annihilate them and send them back to the stone age.

Question about Iran being able to repel air strike on facilities, also a big no, about this we already spoken about.

And I think even if Iran gets close to making a bomb after failed attacks( very unlikely), Israel won't allow this, I think weeks before Iran getting nuke, Israel will do a nuclear strike on Iran, maybe even a couple, until Iran submits.

said that to all Us militaries that r unanimous to said:

military option is USELESS



we can all agree yes, BUT that iran will have nuclear weapons.......

liban, palestinians, irak, paksitan, afghanistan and all muslim people with side by iran
make no mistake or dreams muslims wilth side by muslim


neverless iran doesn't need their help since, it will have nukes soon !


as said Robert Gates :

" an attack would make a nuclear iran inevitable"

mike mullen : NO military option can stop this programme ( former chief of joint staff of chief )

james mattis current chief commander of powerful CENTCOM

" the best we can do is to delay the " and " only iranians can stop this programme "

michael hayden, bush's NSA director :" we ruled out military option "

" military option would only push them to do what we want to prevent : to actually get nukes "

and the list goes on

SO YES WE CAN AGREE IRAN WILL HAVE THE BOMB

 

[rayan123]

well ,

we are producing an Anti air defense system base on S-200 ... it will be semi mobile and long range anti air defense .... ( it is separated system from B 373 ) ...

They will use new solid missile in this upcoming air defense and in meantime , use it in S 200 as well ....

IMO Iran Army has a plane to cover all Persian gulf and GCC countries air space zone ( except Hejaz an Jordan ) with it ....

and about our S-200 ... we already changed all of its computer and make it a digital system .... only its missile is remain and ...

................

here .... we test B373 sub systems ....
زيرسيستم*هاي "باور 373" در مرØ*له آزمايش قرار گرفت/ رونمايي پروژه*هاي شگفت انگيزتر از باور 373

however obama will never order a strike for two reason :

1 ineffective

2 catastrophic cost in term of US soldiers lifes

3 economic crash, US people will never forgive obama such a national economique desaster


we can ALREADY PREPARE FOR 10TH NUCLEAR ARRIVAL


WELCOME IRAN NUCLEAR

 

[rayan123]

Peddle yr lies somewhere else, not here.

what happend my friends???

where is information about you famous MOP: wikipedia in french sorry !

60 m de béton armé doté d'une résistance mécanique de 35 MPa ( = 5076.3195 psi )

8 m de béton armé doté d'une résistance mécanique de 69 MPa ( = 10007.6013 )

40 m de roche modérément dure.

Guidage : Système de navigation inertielle assisté par GPS7

and the granit is far muct stronger than 10000 psi

i m sorry if i have broke your dream of ultimate weapon.....

and the iranians super concrete 60000 psi make it just USELESS !

 

[rayan123]

The pending Israeli operation would appear to be no more risky than Israel’s 1981 attack on
Iraq’s Osirak reactor, and it would provide at least as much benefit in terms of
delaying Iranian development of nuclear weapons.

Is it hard to understand by some pony brains here?

lol israel simply can't reach iran.... as simple as that .....

former cammander of IDF said to mike mullen:

" netanyahu's treat are just EMPTY WORDS, israeli military simply doesn't exit "


can you understant ??? EMPTY WORDS , by the chairman of IDF


illusion, which collapsed like a house of cards lol


ehud olmert january 2009 :

"the idea that we can settle this question, while the superpowers are unable to show that we have lost the sense of proportion "

illusion, which collapsed like a house of cards lol


GET READY FOR A NUCLEAR IRAN

 

[rayan123]

The pending Israeli operation would appear to be no more risky than Israel’s 1981 attack on
Iraq’s Osirak reactor, and it would provide at least as much benefit in terms of
delaying Iranian development of nuclear weapons.

Is it hard to understand by some pony brains here?

it may be understandable only if you assume that Israel has the ability to really hurt the program, israel does not possess this ability.

EMPTY WORDS Said Gaby Ashkenazi IDF chief form .......

air force Col larence wilkerson :

" israel simply can do it, simply in a way that make sens."

michael hayden:

" he can barely hold 100 planes in the air, barely, he can not do "


That assumes only if you will not expel Iran and IAEA and will not rebuild its program and ACCELERATE it.

and also, if you think that Iran will not level the center of tel aviv and haifa with shihab.

iran will capture a dozen pilots and will hanged them in public P and exchanging some one against thousands of Palestinian

israel can do nothing against Iran. as simple as that

Israeli illusion of power ....


a castle of cards that collapses

 

[rayan123]

Israel loosing a war against Iran, would end up with a nuclear strike on Tehran.

Winning or loosing a war is not important in Iran war. Stripping Iran of its nuclear capacity, undermining its influence, destroying their economy is what they will do. The objective is to convince Iran to stop its nuclear program.

since is not possible iran will have the bomb

if israel is foolish enough to use nukes.... the world will place it under UN embargo ,irak-like

and secondly iran will respond by chemical, bacteriologicale, radiologicale weapons, and they will put an end to israel as as state and as a people in whole .....


so better to be cool man if you donc't want be gazed once again ! lol

iran can survive to all israel nukes ....... israel concentatioon of population make it easy to decimate will chemicale and bacteriologicale weapons....

and radiologicale weapons would make in unhabitanle for centuries !!

at the end of the DAY pak, russia, and china... will finish the job.

Operation Entebbe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These guys have tremendous experience, combined with Osirak. Iran wont be a cake walk, yet, it (Nuke Installations) would be damaged beyond recognition. Guys dont understimate Israel.

Gaby ashkenazi, benny's gantz predecessor, to mike mullen :


" netanyahu's threats are EMPTY WORDS " and " at the moment of true THE ISRAELI MILITARY OPTION SIMPLY DIDN't" EXISTED "

Israeli illusion of power ....


a castle of cards that collapses

 

[rayan123]

No, definately a no go. Israel and US will never allow Iran having Nukes. If Iran gets close to making a nuke, Israel might even consider nuclear strike on Iran and then occupying it. Of course nobody will allow Iran to get close to making one because of Iranian foreign policy. There are already sanctions and preparations for a military move on Iran if its continues. It is in Iran's hand whether they want to push this issue to a war or not. U.S will do its airstrikes. The whole neighborhood, including, Arabs, Pakistan, Israel, Turkey, Azerbijan, Afghanistan and U.S will be ready to do what is necessary because if they don't, bigger problems can arise.

you r saying bla bla bla only


iran successfully intercepted this drone and TWO others .... smallers drons that the only think

and say every thing you want do you understand ? everything YOU WANT

the only think important is asked in march 2012 by the senat, Gen James Mattis commander in chief of powerful CENTCOM : can US military stop iran nukes?

Gen James Mattis answerd : NO

" the best we can do is to delay them, only iranians can stop it "

" we have a few option"

and all militaries high ranking agree with hem, all experts, and all intelligency communuity ......


like :

mike mullen
james cartwright
adm fallon
richard meyer
collin powell
etc ..........

michale hayden
michel flournoy µdenis blair
james l jones
lawrence wilkerson etc etc etc

once retired all these peoples have publicly disqualified the military option against Iran as ineffective.

conclusion u like it or not, F22 or not , MOP or ot

iran will have the bomb, and if u don't like please act and suicide yourself

as said Robetrt Gates :

" an attack would make a nuclear iran inevitable "

Rand corporation: a very influent think thank: lay out with the same conclusion

" an attack would make it easier, and more not less likely that iran will gates the bomb "

allo ? are you there , or already suicide your self ?

lol,

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