What will it take for pakistanis...?

[Omar1984]

Why do only Indians say we have same blood running through our veins and never Pakistanis?

The truth of the matter is that we Pakistanis want nothing to do with india and indians while you indians follow us everywhere on the internet. Look at this "Pakistan" Defence Forum, it has more indians than Pakistanis.

And another fact is that most indians have still not accepted Pakistan as a reality even though most people who witnessed partition are long gone. Most indians are dreaming about akhand bharat but no one in Pakistan (except for mota altaf's follwers) want to unite with india.

And another thing, Pakistan shares no strategic interests with india infact all of Pakistan's interests conflict from india's.

If we want to get closer with any nation it should be with China, because we share the exact same interests as China.

Dont blackmail Pakistanis about blood running through our veins. Maybe it will work with other South Asian countries but certainly not with Pakistan. Less than 4% of India's population share the same ethnic groups with Pakistan.


We Pakistanis only look for our country's national and strategic interests.

 

[black_magic pk]

Pakistan must give up control over balochistan.


Pakistan must withdraw from kashmir

Pakistan must dismantle its nuclear arsenal.

Pakistan needs to eliminate all homegrown terrorist groups and disband the isi.



Ajtr......asking indians to do what you just listed would be like asking the pakistanis to do the above. Although, i havent elaborated like you. As a pakistani i understand you despise india and everything about it. But try to think outside the box will you?

hahaha a bharati spotted....

hahahahahahahaha typical hiding behind false flag indian

 

[Kinetic]

Please elaborate what you mean by the SAME RACE and SAME FOREFATHERS?

We are not the same race and neither do we share the same forefathers. Though i like Ghandi due to his peaceful approach to controversial issues.

Though I don't agree with jayatl but do know that QEA Jinnah and Iqbal both grandfathers where Hindus? What you say about that?

Are the Balochis and Punjabis are same race and their forefathers are same? No.

Let the Kashmiris decide their fate instead of illegally occupying their land.

Do you have same race and same forefathers of that of Kashmirs? No. Kashmiris are totally different than Punjabis, Sindhis or any other ethnic groups in Pakistan.

We are different because we live in different countries. You were Indians before 1947 and we are still Indians.

 

[black_magic pk]

on the topic, i am positive on positive relations with the neighbours, but its not pakistan, its india which likes to play politics, india didnt let the blood sharing world title winners play IPL for 3 editions, but goras were more than welcome to play, its india who makes strickness for obtaining visas for pakistan realizing many pakistanis have their relatives across the border, it always india who uses its dirty politics in all things even peace making stuff like games, if political tensions run in veins, they stop their cricket teams playing with pakistan, if pakistan leaves, cricket world is half worse!!

remember it was nawaz sharif and musharraf who were first to shake hands with the BJP, a hindu extremist party, still the gesture was always cold, india has always been irritant and annoying, a trouble in the nose, when it comes to relations, pakistanis are more than eager to normalize relations and want to have dialogues..

indians should live and let live others to provoke a positive response, its manners would isolate it further...

we pakistanis think, seriously wtf man!!, give us a break and spare us from your bullshitts, let us be isolated and live in peace, but these indians, always hating and cursing pakistan, why pakistan sneazed, why pakistan got nice shoes, why pakistan celebrated, why pakistan are happy, why are they enjoying, hahaha pakistan got hurt, we dont want india to notice us jees spare us!!!

 

[Omar1984]

Though I don't agree with jayatl but do know that QEA Jinnah and Iqbal both grandfathers where Hindus? What you say about that?

So what if their ancestors were hindus. Once you accept Islam your previous faith does not matter. All Muslims had non-muslim ancestors, even the people of Mecca.

Do you have same race and same forefathers of that of Kashmirs? No. Kashmiris are totally different than Punjabis, Sindhis or any other ethnic groups in Pakistan.

A Kashmiri has much more in common with a Punjabi Pakistani than an indian tamil, or whatever ethnic group makes the largest population in your india.

Ask any Kashmiri from Azad Kashmir, he/she will tell you. By the way, our Punjab province in Pakistan have many Kashmiri Muslims who are doing extremely well. Khawaja and Butt are influential businessmen in Punjab Province of Pakistan.

What about the ethnic groups that make majority in your india, what do they have common with Kashmiris. Not Religion, not culture, not clothing. In fact you indians look like a completely different race when standing next to a Kashmiri.

And no we are not indians. We Pakistanis chose our own name for our own people, you indians kept the names made by foreign invaders. Both Pakistan and india were born in 1947.

 

[PakiiZeeshan]

Though I don't agree with jayatl but do know that QEA Jinnah and Iqbal both grandfathers where Hindus? What you say about that?

Are the Balochis and Punjabis are same race and their forefathers are same? No.



Do you have same race and same forefathers of that of Kashmirs? No. Kashmiris are totally different than Punjabis, Sindhis or any other ethnic groups in Pakistan.

Seriously. Just face it. Kashmiris themselves don't want to be apart your bharat. Why are you guys forcing yourselves onto them?

Nobody in South Asia/the World wants to associate with india.

 

[PakiiZeeshan]

Kashmiri's and Punjabis do share alot of common history.

 

[Desert Fox]

Though I don't agree with jayatl but do know that QEA Jinnah and Iqbal both grandfathers where Hindus? What you say about that?

Are the Balochis and Punjabis are same race and their forefathers are same? No.



Do you have same race and same forefathers of that of Kashmirs? No. Kashmiris are totally different than Punjabis, Sindhis or any other ethnic groups in Pakistan.

We are different because we live in different countries. You were Indians before 1947 and we are still Indians.

typical indian mentality, both india and Pak were created after 1947 . rest of your post is utter bs which has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Kinetic]

So what if their ancestors were hindus. Once you accept Islam your previous faith does not matter. All Muslims had non-muslim ancestors, even the people of Mecca.

I am not talking about the people of Mecca but the people of pakistan and India. People of mecca wasn't Hindus. So as he said "neither do we share the same forefathers" is wrong.

A Kashmiri has much more in common with a Punjabi Pakistani than an indian tamil, or whatever ethnic group makes the largest population in your india.

A Kashmiri is much more in common with the Dogris (Jammu region), Kashmiri Pundits and Himachalis rather than pakistani punjabis forget sindhis or any other ethnic people.

Ask any Kashmiri from Azad Kashmir, he/she will tell you. By the way, our Punjab province in Pakistan have many Kashmiri Muslims who are doing extremely well. Khawaja and Butt are influential businessmen in Punjab Province of Pakistan.

Many of the Kashmiris are doing well in India as well. Our first prime minister Nehru belongs to a Kashmiri family.

What about the ethnic groups that make majority in your india, what do they have common with Kashmiris. Not Religion, not culture, not clothing. In fact you indians look like a completely different race when standing next to a Kashmiri.

What about the ethnic group that make majority in your pakistan has common with Kashmiris? No culture, no clothing. Kashrishis has their own sub-culture with similarities and dissimilarities with other people of sub-continent. They may have some similarities with punjabis because of they are adjacent but it is true all over India. West Bengal Bangladesh, Darjeeling-Nepal, North East-Myanmar-China.

And no we are not indians. We Pakistanis chose our own name for our own people, you indians kept the names made by foreign invaders. Both Pakistan and india were born in 1947.

I didn't say that you are Indians but you were Indians. Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Republic of India were born after partition of India.

 

[PakiiZeeshan]

Who cares if our ancestors were jews, hindus, christains or wahteva. We are Muslims today, that's all that matters.

 

[WAR-rior]

typical indian mentality, both india and Pak were created after 1947 . rest of your post is utter bs which has nothing to do with the topic.

well the will u plz care to explain me why did the freedom fighters like bhagat singh, ashfaq ulla khan, ram prasad bismil, etc etc shouted slogans...... 'BHARAT MAATA KI JAI' !

well i understand......they got a time machine in which they went before 1947 to shout the name which existed after 1947 ...... rite i agree with u.....

also plz care to explain us.....if hindus were so anti muslims then why was the freedom fight multi linguistic and multi religious.....hindu-muslims-sikh all came together and fought the christian regime !

infact the sikh and muslims were to be exploited by hindu majority......hai na.....as per jinnah sir who saw only selective rather than holistic ! do reply !

Thanks !

 

[Omar1984]

I am not talking about the people of Mecca but the people of pakistan and India. People of mecca wasn't Hindus. So as he said "neither do we share the same forefathers" is wrong.

Pakistan was majority Buddhist land before the arrival of Islam in our land. And what does it matter. Today Pakistan has 0% Buddhist Population and only 1% Hindu population.

And it doesnt mean we have same forefathers as your indian tamils or rest of your hundreds of ethnic groups in india. Pakistan's major ethnic groups are Punjabi, Pakhtun, Sindhi, and Baloch. In india, these ethnic groups all combined make less than 4% of india's population. What about the 96% of india's population who share nothing with Pakistanis. Not to forget most of these ethnic groups are hindu/sikh in india and Muslims in Pakistan.

A Kashmiri is much more in common with the Dogris (Jammu region), Kashmiri Pundits than pakistani punjabis for get sindhis or any other ethnic people.

Jammu is also a disputed territory between Pakistan and india. Go see the map of Pakistan's Punjab province, all of Pakistan's Northern Punjab shares a boundary with india occupied Jammu. Kashmiri Pandits are Kashmiris too but they are a minority most Kashmiri are Muslims like us Pakistanis.

And what is india's largest ethnic group? It surely are not Dogris or Kashmiri Pandits. Any similarities with india's largest ethnic group with Kashmiris? None at all.

Many of the Kashmiris are doing well in India as well. Our first prime minister Nehru belongs to a Kashmiri family.

And he promised the people of Kashmir a plebiscite but you indians wouldn't honor your 1st prime minister's promise.

What about the ethnic group that make majority in your pakistan has common with Kashmiris? No culture, no clothing. Kashrishis has their own sub-culture with similarities and dissimilarities with other people of sub-continent. They may have some similarities with punjabis because of they are adjacent but it is true all over India. West Bengal Bangladesh, Darjeeling-Nepal, North East-Myanmar-China..

Most Kashmiris are Muslims like us Pakistanis. Most indians are hindus. Kashmir shares geographic, cultural, and religious similarities with Pakistan. While the only Muslim majority region india controls is far up north attached to Pakistan far way from center of india.

Pakistan's largest ethnic group are Punjabis. Pakistan's second largest ethnic group are Pakhtuns. We have much more in common with Kashmiris than your india's majority ethnic groups who are far away from Kashmir and wear sari/red dots and are vegetarian hindus.

I didn't say that you are Indians but you were Indians. Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Republic of India were born after partition of India.

We threw indians out of the door after we got our independence. We chose our own name PAKISTANIS. You indians kept a foreign-made up name for your people and you keep it for yourselves, we dont want it.

 

[Ganguly]

Why do indians always start these type of useless threads?

Do you think we are actually this stupid?

india is supporting terrorism in Pakistan, they broke our mother land into 2 pieces, they insult us at almost every chance they can get, they want to destory our Country, Killed thausands of innocent Kashmrirs, our soldiers died fighting indian/terrorists/cowards...even today they are dying because of indian sponserd terrorism... and now he comes here and talks about "Peace" lol

I mean take some pride in your own country and just leave us alone.. simple.

No. Pakisthanis are very smart. But exception proves the rule.

 

[Fact_ur_mine]

Thread is such a waste, we know people love to troll, and this thread provides a platform.
Am literally laughing over the guy who started it with a hope of POLITE words, But see people are acting like hounds..hahah

 

[riCoh]

Why do only Indians say we have same blood running through our veins and never Pakistanis?

The truth of the matter is that we Pakistanis want nothing to do with india and indians while you indians follow us everywhere on the internet. Look at this "Pakistan" Defence Forum, it has more indians than Pakistanis.

Are u trying to say Indians are obsessed with pakistan??
just look at yourself.
see your signature.i find too many pakistanis in this forum using the word India in their signature.

have u seen an Indian like that ???

i guess no. So its clear now who is obsessed with whom and regarding indians here, there are just too many internet users here (i think thrice) than pakistan who are ready to defend my country on internet.

Please tell your artists and cricketers, not to come here. And stop watching bollywood and indian serials and stop reading TOI also.

And another fact is that most indians have still not accepted Pakistan as a reality even though most people who witnessed partition are long gone. Most indians are dreaming about akhand bharat but no one in Pakistan (except for mota altaf's follwers) want to unite with india.

Dude no one is interested (except for right wing hindus),even if u give pakistan on platter.I think we are better off without them. I cant imagine the chaos of unification.

If we want to get closer with any nation it should be with China, because we share the exact same interests as China.

but you are already close to India(yahi to panauti hai). tell me how many pakistanis living in europe or US have chinese or palestenians or arab or irani friends.its just the blood ties and culture that makes them more close to Indians.

yeah

Dont blackmail Pakistanis about blood running through our veins. Maybe it will work with other South Asian countries but certainly not with Pakistan. Less than 4% of India's population share the same ethnic groups with Pakistan.

But more than 50% pakistanis share the ethnicity with Indians.

Atleast indians punjabis and pakistani punjabis have the same blood.
can u deny ??
Same can be said about about Sindhis.
India is way more diverse, punjabis and tamils are different. So is a gujrati,bihari,marathi,bengali,kashmiri.