What were you doing when 9/11 happened ?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Palestine was on verge of being free

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
Second Intifada was in full swing, it was a bloody period of violence where excessive force and military was used against Palestinians , I remember it was brutal I know I was shocked then

The Second Intifada, also known as the Al-Aqsa Intifada (Arabic: انتفاضة الأقصى‎‎ Intifāḍat al-ʾAqṣā; Hebrew: אינתיפאדת אל-אקצה‎‎ Intifādat El-Aqtzah), was the second Palestinian uprising against Israel – a period of intensified Israeli-Palestinian violence. It started in September 2000, when Ariel Sharon made a visit to the Temple Mount, seen by Palestinians as highly provocative; and Palestinian demonstrators, throwing stones at police, were dispersed by the Israeli army, using tear gas and rubber bullets.


Camp David Summit
From 11 to 25 July 2000, the Middle East Peace Summit at Camp David was held between United States President Bill Clinton, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, and Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat. The talks ultimately failed with each side blaming the other. There were four principal obstacles to agreement: territory, Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, refugees and the right of return, and Israeli security concerns. Disappointment at the situation over the summer led to a significant fracturing of the PLO as many Fatah factions abandoned it to join Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

On 13 September 2000, Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Legislative Council postponed the planned unilateral declaration of an independent Palestinian state

Reference:
S/2001/270

(These resolutions were processed around march 2003)

http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2001/270

• There was major escalations during 2000 in Palestine , and people demanded action USA vetoed the request 26 March 2001 or some date

• US veto and meeting notes
  
• http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/PV.4305

Taken from Document
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/PV.4305

These were word by Bangali person in favor of Immediate seize of Israeli killing
Mr. Chowdhury (Bangladesh):

The subject being taken up for action today has
been before us for quite some time. Members of the
Council will recall that on 7 October 2000 we in the
Council adopted resolution 1322 (2000), which called
for the cessation of violence and condemned the
excessive use of force against Palestinian civilians.
From then on, this issue has been of primary
importance to the Non-Aligned Movement and the
Arab Group, and in the minds of the general
membership of the United Nations.

Mr. Wang Yingfan(China) (spoke in Chinese):

To date, this new round of violent conflict between
Palestine and Israel has lasted for more than half a
year. It has caused casualties among civilians,
especially among a large number of Palestinian
civilians. It has complicated the Palestinian question. It
poses a direct threat to the Middle East peace process.
If this violent confrontation is not checked in time, it
will surely exacerbate the hatred and animosity
between Palestine and Israel and will cause and
perpetuate more serious confrontation and conflict.
That would be most inauspicious for the security of
Palestine, Israel and the region as a whole.
As soon as possible, Palestine and Israel should
put an end to violent conflict and resume peace talks,
so that the Middle East peace process can return to its
proper course



I think nations demanded UN force to be in Palestine , US vetoed it

"The United States opposed this draft resolution
because it is unbalanced and unworkable and hence
unwise. It is more responsive to political theatre than
political reality. In this draft resolution, some
pretended that the Council could impose a solution,
including a protection mechanism for civilians, in the
absence of an agreement between the parties. Instead,
the Security Council, acting on behalf of the
international community, should have called on the
parties to end all violence, to protect civilians and to
resume negotiations"​

These events were obscured from history no one ever revisited these questions

I don't recall the images but I know the killings in Palestine happened for a year between 2000-2001, I remember it was quite brutal becasue I remember it which is why this resolution was called up


On the Day of September 11th , 2001

Was in subway , I was only passenger going to city center , a old lady came and started to knock on the window of the train, I was like wtf is wrong with this old lady. She was saying stuff I did not know what she was saying

Look on the other side and the returning subway was 100% full. I was like hmm no one is going to city today

When you read the minute notes of he leaders who in 2000 had tried to clamn the escalation of violence (In resolution) , the words are chilling where leaders warned of grave danger to region and society, if people not resolved these issues. But resolution was never passed , vetoed
When I reached where I needed to be someone told me what happened and I was glued to TV and my first question was why, who would do such a cruel act

Life changed drastically in aftermath

I don't like cities anymore , but then I also remember the death on 911 and also remember Palestinians who also died similar fashion buried by bombardment, then more death came in iraq and other countries

Loss of life was same , it was brutal and ugly

Strange incident I noted much later

• There were excessive movies about ideas being thrown to general public in movies and other work of novel about "attacks on World trade center"
• The whole "theme of imminent attack by Terrorist" was quite popular in Hollywood
• Hollywood during that time was crazy about Terrorist movies and Arab movies
• Just few weeks ago I learned 1 Jackie chan movie was "cancelled" it was also about Terrorist attacking world trade center - yep all true on Viral networks

Later when documentaries came out about unbreakable steel structures , of the building I was more shocked even more then before , don't know what to trust anymore.

Later we found someone did made some profit , the owner of the Trade center had bought
heavy insurance policy just months before the incident

Then strange stories about people hearing pops before collapse

There were also the mysterious Enron files in near by buildings that held secret evidence of the rich and elite

The world forgot the story of Palestinian freedom , even if a resolution was passed after the attack it only served as a temporary rub down for Arab countries to get their agreement to start
wars in Iraq , Afghanistan , libya and then syria, which to many seemed not connected to 911

Created a bigger evil that is poverty , neglect and Blind creatures who see no reason and this evil spread across the region, effecting the Muslim societies the most

Palestine is still where it was in 2000 , so who gained from it the most ?

• US economy Tanked
  
• Airlines Tanked
  
• There were layoffs & Anger
  
• Palestine remained a Jail
  
• Anti Muslim Hate grew
• Really no one gained except for the owner of the Trade center and yes no Palestine was formed, the issue was forgotten
• Israel used the time constructively to make more settlements

But in end no one condemned Israel , no one talks about that Resolution anymore or the period of violence between 2000 and 2001

Sometimes I wonder now what if Palestine was free in 2000 would history be different

 

[neolithic]

9-11 Cop Breaks Silence

 

[Viper0011.]

15 years ago,the US was victim of an attack that would change the face of the world... the world geopolitics....

If you remember,tell us what were you doing when you hear about the attacks ? What were your reactions,feelings ? Tell us !

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This is one of the saddest memories of my life!! Where was I? Right in the middle of NYC!! I saw the devastation of the second plane from a few miles away. The towers that I would see every morning, almost saying "Good Morning New Yorkers", were gone in no time, and so were thousands of civilian citizens who had nothing to do with any war, issues of the world or even understanding of many complex things that go around the globe. But they lost their lives the same way lives were lost in France recently, Children Massacred in Pakistan, etc, etc, etc (the list of these sad events goes on and on).

This hit was right at home, the city I love and cherish so much was damaged so bad that it took many years to recover. Life changed for me and for many of my friends and other families who'd suffered serious human loss that makes no sense in the world of common sense!!

I'd humbly ask everyone reading this, no matter how much hatred or love you have towards the US, please don't add negativity into this thread. This is a thread to remember the innocents who lost their lives without a reason and to an evil, who's killed countless children, men and women in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, UK, France, India, etc, etc. So please, let's be respectful of this thread, and remember the innocents killed and the bast*ard evil from 9/11 and after, who've killed many more innocents since then, and who we've all felt very close to our homes multiple times since 9/11. Please be respectful of this thread's topic. Thank you!

 

[Soumitra]

Remembering 9/11, From a Scrawled Note to a Bit of Fuselage
How Objects Both Ordinary and Extraordinary Help Us Reflect on the Devastation
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By Cedric Yeh

Three months after the attacks of September 11, 2001, Congress officially charged the Smithsonian and the National Museum of American History with collecting and preserving artefacts that would tell the story of that day.

But where to start? If you were given the task, what objects would you collect?

Curators working at the attack sites were grappling with those questions. If they tried to collect the whole story, they would have quickly been overwhelmed. Instead they identified three points of focus to guide them: the attacks themselves, first responders, and the recovery efforts.

Fifteen years later, the collection includes more than a thousand photographs and hundreds of objects, among them memorials, thank you letters, pieces of the Pentagon, first responder uniforms from the World Trade Center, personal items such as wallets and clothing, Emergency Medical Technician equipment, parts of fire trucks, and portions of the plane from United Flight 93 recovered from Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

The objects in the museum’s September 11 collection show both the ordinary and extraordinary moments in the midst of the devastation, reminding us of the chaos, the bravery, the loss and the unity that we all felt that horrifying day.

Flight Attendant Log Book, Flight 93, Shanksville, Pennsylvania, September 11, 2001 | National Museum of American History, Smithsonian Institution

World Trade Center Stairwell Sign, September 11, 2001 | National Museum of American History, Smithsonian Institution

We see it in the handwritten note from Daria to Frank Galliard. Both worked at the Pentagon, and in the chaos after the attack, not knowing one another’s whereabouts or condition, they each separately made their way to a prearranged emergency meeting spot. Daria arrived first and scrawled a note in black pen on a scrap of yellow paper: “Sweetie I am okay,” the “okay” underlined three times.

September 11, 2001 Iron Worker Clean-Up Crew Hard Hat, World Trade Center | National Museum of American History, Smithsonian Institution

We see it in the hard hat of Dennis Quinn, an ironworker from Chicago who journeyed to New York to help clear debris. The skullguard-style helmet is practical—it’s designed to withstand high temperatures and is equipped with welder’s lugs. But it’s also personal—the owner’s name and union affiliation are carefully written in permanent black marker, surrounded by union and 9/11 stickers bearing the American flag, a bald eagle, and the statue of liberty.

Fuselage from Flight 93, Shanksville, Pennsylvania, September 11, 2001 | National Museum of American History, Smithsonian Institution

And we can see it in the twisted metal and scratched stripes of blue, pink, and orange in the fuselage of Flight 93, whose passengers and crew lost their lives fighting to ensure that no more buildings would be hit.

To commemorate September 11, the National Museum of American History is offering visitors the opportunity to interact and respond directly to select objects from our collections. The artefacts will be presented in an unmediated physical display, with no glass or casework between the visitors and the collection. We invite visitors to share their memories and thoughts, either in conversations with staff and other visitors, or by sharing through our Talkback boards, which provide the opportunity for written comments.

As historians, we continue to ask ourselves: How will Americans remember these events 25, 50, or 100 years from now? What questions will future generations ask? We can’t know for sure, but we do know that places like the National Museum of American History enable us to reflect on what it means to be a part of history, to contemplate how historic events affect our lives as individuals and as a nation.

 

[gambit]

I was off work that day. I was watching CNN at the exact moment the typical daily news presentation was interrupted by the first tower's hit. I had been out of the Air Force for nine yrs but still occasionally fly with friends so just like everyone, I thought it was a freak accident. But when I saw the second tower hit, I knew it was an attack. There was no way those two towers were accidents.

I was calm. My personality kicked in I began the mental process of investigating who could have been the attacker. Once an event completed its processes, there is no point in dwelling on it. When the towers began their collapse, I was still calm. Drinking my coffee but not really tasting it, let alone enjoying it. I did remember the underground bomb truck attempt back in '93 and who were the terrorists then, but I ruled no one out. If anything, in my mind at that time, there were two equally important suspect: Iraq and hardcore communists.

Remember, the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 and there were much anger directed at the US for both being the victor of the Cold War and seducer of Gorbachev that led to that dissolution of the union. So it was not out of the question that a group of dedicated communists could have done it. Could communists be that dedicated to their cause that they would commit ritual suicide to bring attention to their beliefs ? Absolutely. The Soviet Union was the symbol supreme, a living monument and beacon for Marxism everywhere.

Could the attack be a state directed event ? Yes. In fact, any responsible investigator would immediately focus on the attack being state sponsored/directed. The logistics and methodologies were not beyond the abilities of non-state actors. The fact that airliners were used indicated a 'commando' like mentality. When states go to war against each other, they identify themselves by way of common markers like flags and uniforms. But since a local and indigenous device -- the airliner -- was used, this strongly hinted at the scenario of the attack being state directed rather than state supplied as in a tank or jet fighter. A commando unit usually have limited support from the main organization and must exploit available resources to achieve its objectives. So it was not beyond the realm of possibilities that Saddam Hussein could have sent a small unit of absolutely dedicated Iraqi soldiers and civilian intelligence operatives to support each other to attack the US at one of our most visible national symbols.

So for Sept 11, 2001, those were my thoughts for that day.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

This is one of the saddest memories of my life!! Where was I? Right in the middle of NYC!! I saw the devastation of the second plane from a few miles away. The towers that I would see every morning, almost saying "Good Morning New Yorkers", were gone in no time, and so were thousands of civilian citizens who had nothing to do with any war, issues of the world or even understanding of many complex things that go around the globe. But they lost their lives the same way lives were lost in France recently, Children Massacred in Pakistan, etc, etc, etc (the list of these sad events goes on and on).

This hit was right at home, the city I love and cherish so much was damaged so bad hat it took many years to recover. Life changed for me and many of my friends and other families who'd suffered serious human loss that makes no sense in the world of common sense!!

I'd humbly respect to everyone reading it, no matter how much hatred or love you have for the US, please don't add negativity in this thread. This is a thread to remember the innocents who lost their lives without a reason and to an evil, who's killed countless children, men and women in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, UK, France, India, etc, etc. So please, let's be respectful of this thread, and remember the innocents killed and the bast*ard evil from 9/11 and after, who've, killed many more innocents since then, and who we've all felt very close to our homes multiple times since 9/11. Please be respectful of this thread's topic. Thank you!

Without doubt it must have been difficult to be in the midst of things, it left scars even if you were far away watching the events unfold thru TV

Yet even now wars do continue to take lives and it is certainly tragic

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I was very young back then . My dad had friends over and they were drinking and I remember what one of his friends said back then " Now the west will understand what it feels to be like victims of terrorism ". Back then no one in the west used to take threat of terrorism seriously and India used to suffer a lot. Back then every month or so there used to be a blast in India( somewhat similar to situation in Pakistan a couple of years back ) and we had no international community support .

In hindsight I realize how right he was .

Baader-Meinhof, IRA, Red Brigades, Oklahoma bomber, Gavrilo Princip?

Oh, pleeze...

 

[Al-zakir]

I was sleeping, my father woke me up and then saw it on TV.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

watching tv when I was a kid and told my father: world war 3 is coming

.

 

[Zibago]

I was 7 years old at that time dont remember much

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

I was having fun with friends in hostel. Then we heard some loud noises from TV room. We headed towards TV room then we saw that horror. We were just shocked how can that happened to a super power. Most of us were talking about the results of this incident.

 

[anon45]

Was still in middle school then, so I woke up at 7 or so and my parents were watching the TV, I didn't pay much attention to it then and heard more about it at morning PE. I was too young to pay much attention to politics or the outside world, and all my family lived in the LA area so I didn't give it much thought during that point. Didn't understand the significance of it.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Had an interesting experience the following Christmas when visiting my brother.
His oldest boy was playing Counterstrike (a terrorist role playing game) with a friend,
but his younger brother was not wanted, so he sat down and played Red Alert,
a strategy game, where the current task, playing as an American, was to defend New York
vs the computer controlled Reds.

Each country builds bases which are required to build troops, and many are common,
but each country has some special troops, which only they can build.
The American side can build an airfield, which will then periodically generate
a squad of paratroopers. When ready, you click on the map and a C-130 will
fly over the map and drop the paratroopers, and when they land, they become regular infantry.

I was overlooking the shoulder of my younger nephew, as he clicked on the map,
requesting a new batch of paratroopers, saw the C-130 slowly entering the map,
red FLAK firing from ships in the harbour and finally, the C-130 flew into the Twin Tower which collapsed.

He turned around in shock, and said: - Did you see THAT?

So I went into the other room and told his elder brother that
"While you guys are terrorist amateurs, your kid brother is in the Usama bin Laden class"...

 

[SrNair]

I was a 10 year old kid back then.And I saw the news in that morning that two towers were destroyed by two passenger planes .Stuff was all over the news and channels.
Back then I didnt knew what was terrorism or Al Qaeda or Osama Bin Laden.

 

[Nilgiri]

I was a 10 year old kid back then.And I saw the news in that morning that two towers were destroyed by two passenger planes .Stuff was all over the news and channels.
Back then I didnt knew what was terrorism or Al Qaeda or Osama Bin Laden.

You are younger than me too?....wow.